Bear Attack in Canada Last Week Settle Guns vs Spray

[JFrank]

Probably not. That thought should be a comfort since you're even less likely to have to shoot a bear.

Well I live in bear county so you may have that backwards. This Grizzly was only 200 yards from my house and there is a mature lion spotted three times in our 1/2 mile radius neighborhood. I can’t legally shoot either one. Although I will defend my family and livestock.

 

[JFrank]

Last winter we had mom and baby Grizz just about a mile up the mountain, when we see these were in a no win situation and we just vacate the area.

 

[BushMaster-15]

According to post #19 it is illegal to carry a firearm in the National Park that the couple was camping in.

As I've always maintained : CARRY REGARDLESS while in vulnerable areas !.
You and Yours hopefully will be alive to argue in court ,IN FEAR OF MY LIFE ,as it takes precedence over ALL ELSE in matters of those types of situations .
Concealed as well as open carry is permissible
In short, yes – carrying guns in national parks is perfectly legal so long as you follow local guidelines.

In 2010, Congress passed the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act, which ensures that at the federal level, there are no laws restricting visitors from bringing a firearm into national park boundaries. However, state restrictions still apply, so the rules in place will be determined by local regulations.

Other federal laws, such as banning weapons in federal buildings, are still enforced as well, so make sure you’re aware of those restrictions.

Before you strap on your holster and hiking boots, take a look at the gun laws in the state where the park is located to get up to speed on what you can and can’t do there to avoid any trouble.

 

[WisBorn]

As I've always maintained : CARRY REGARDLESS while in vulnerable areas !.
You and Yours hopefully will be alive to argue in court ,IN FEAR OF MY LIFE ,as it takes precedence over ALL ELSE in matters of those types of situations .
Concealed as well as open carry is permissible
In short, yes – carrying guns in national parks is perfectly legal so long as you follow local guidelines.

In 2010, Congress passed the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act, which ensures that at the federal level, there are no laws restricting visitors from bringing a firearm into national park boundaries. However, state restrictions still apply, so the rules in place will be determined by local regulations.

Other federal laws, such as banning weapons in federal buildings, are still enforced as well, so make sure you’re aware of those restrictions.

Before you strap on your holster and hiking boots, take a look at the gun laws in the state where the park is located to get up to speed on what you can and can’t do there to avoid any trouble.

This is Canada!!!!! Not going to guess what their laws are!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

This is Canada!!!!! Not going to guess what their laws are!

Well, apparently concealed carry is pretty much disallowed in all of Canada. There is no hunting in the park (Banff), so you would have about zero legal justification for possessing a gun there.

 

[hey smepl this]

Not exactly right. Most reports don't go into whether or not the people were eaten. Eaten or not, they are usually just described as being mauled. Some mauled people will live. Some will die. Some of the dead are partially consumed (when found). Many are recovered before the bear had eaten, assuming it was hanging around to go ahead and eat the person later, as they do with other kills and have been done in documented cases.

I can think of 2 people off the top of my head that were partially consumed. That would be Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend. That would double (if you were only thinking of Treadwell) or triple (if you had someone else in mind) the sample size you reported. The bear was still hanging around to be killed (also very old) and stomach contents analyzed.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/horrifying-death-couple-eaten-alive-30886184 (graphic audio)

Here are a couple more...

1932

The Border Cities Star - Google News Archive Search

2011 Whether this bear killed its 2nd victim isn't clear. It attacked and killed one, and months later was at the scene of another person's death and was had partially consumed the body along with 3 other bears.

Yellowstone Bear Euthanized After DNA Evidence Links Two Fatal Attacks

Warning signs at Yellowstone National Park inform park visitors of trail closures and bear sightings on specific dates ...

archive.nytimes.com

2018 Sow and cubs

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/oklahoma-man-dead-bears-1.4849513

2019 Dragged away and partially consumed

Frenchman killed by a bear in Canada

He was surprised in full sleep. A Frenchman was killed by a bear while camping on August 15 in the territories of western Canada. A body was found the next day, in the afternoon, in a wild area in …

web.archive.org

In many cases, time needs to elapse before the bear will consume the kill. They will bury/cover the kill or guard the area until they are ready to eat, part of the reason offending bears are sometimes found very near to the kill site. With that said, does it really matter if the bear consumes the person or not?

What is interesting is that there is a small trend, even with these citations, to note that grizzly/brown bears, when in dietary distress, do eat humans at times. It isn't abnormal ("doesn't fit the bear's behavior"), just not common, the difference being is that it is certainly within their spectrum of known behaviors to consume people.


The ammo described was not incorrect. Buffalo Bore does sell rounds as .40 S&W +P. That is their designation for anyone wanting to buy that load.

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I see no reason why a hungry bear would not eat a person, given the chance.

I won’t be shooting my neighbors dog any time soon. I do have a walking /hiking stick if I need to shoo off a pack of wild Pugs.

I think one of those telescoping batons would be perfect for dog protection, for anyone who doesn’t want to carry a stick.

 

[unspellable]

I'm not sure why, black bears are far more prevalent than copperheads or alligators.

The only states that are not known to have any black bears in them are Wyoming (which I find amazing), North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Hawaii (Duh), iowa, Kansas, Mississippi, Illinois, Indiana and Texas ( which is another weird one because you would think that North East Texas would be full of them

On rare occasion here in Iowa we get a black bear down from Minnesota.

 

[drobs]

As I've always maintained : CARRY REGARDLESS while in vulnerable areas !.
You and Yours hopefully will be alive to argue in court ,IN FEAR OF MY LIFE ,as it takes precedence over ALL ELSE in matters of those types of situations .
Concealed as well as open carry is permissible
In short, yes – carrying guns in national parks is perfectly legal so long as you follow local guidelines.

In 2010, Congress passed the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act, which ensures that at the federal level, there are no laws restricting visitors from bringing a firearm into national park boundaries. However, state restrictions still apply, so the rules in place will be determined by local regulations.

Other federal laws, such as banning weapons in federal buildings, are still enforced as well, so make sure you’re aware of those restrictions.

Before you strap on your holster and hiking boots, take a look at the gun laws in the state where the park is located to get up to speed on what you can and can’t do there to avoid any trouble.

As mentioned by those above this post. This took place in Canada. US laws do not apply up there.

 

[The Night Rider]

On rare occasion here in Iowa we get a black bear down from Minnesota.

Well, you know by the time it makes it to the Internet it's out of date. I have a really hard time believing there are no black bears in Wyoming

 

[edwardware]

. . . I opted to leave the revolver at home. I mean...it's an absolute boat anchor.

So carry something else, that you will carry. . . a cool head and a subcompact 9mm beats your artillery piece left at home.

 

[JFrank]

Montana fish and game recommends Bear spray, there are big signs at the entrances to national forests and heavily used trails warning of Bear habitat. Most locals no when to stay clear and how to handle food storage. Out of town folks seem to get into trouble more often by packing a ham sandwich and pork chops in their pockets.

 

[drobs]

Montana fish and game recommends Bear spray, there are big signs at the entrances to national forests and heavily used trails warning of Bear habitat. Most locals no when to stay clear and how to handle food storage. Out of town folks seem to get into trouble more often by packing a ham sandwich and pork chops in their pockets.

I wonder about these Vapes people are using. Does the sickly sweet scent of pink berry cotton candy vape bring bears into camp?

 

[drobs]

So carry something else, that you will carry. . . a cool head and a subcompact 9mm beats your artillery piece left at home.

While I agree, I would've thought D.B. Cooper's rifle he was carrying would do the trick.

 

[codytrucker]

I'm not sure why, black bears are far more prevalent than copperheads or alligators.

The only states that are not known to have any black bears in them are Wyoming (which I find amazing), North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Hawaii (Duh), iowa, Kansas, Mississippi, Illinois, Indiana and Texas ( which is another weird one because you would think that North East Texas would be full of the

 

[Mk-211]

I'll relay a story told to me by a friend.

Said he was going to Alaska to do some fishing. I asked him if he was bringing a gun for bear protection. He said he was bringing his 500 S&W, I said that'll do.

After he got back, he asked me if I knew anyone looking for a 500 S&W. Of course I had to ask why.

He bought his 500 a year or so after they hit the market, so his was the 8 3/8ths barreled version. Had it in a cross chest holster in AK.

He said that by the time he got it out of the holster, a bear would be on top of him. He, sold it and bought one with the 3" barrel.

I can see his side of the story, if I was in bear country and fishing, my head would be on a swivel. If a bear got within 50 yards, the pistol would be in my hand.

 

[The Night Rider]

I mean, I'm pretty sure I posted the link to the website and I stated in my comment that I didn't think it was correct.

It's insane to me that Wyoming would have grizzly bears and no black bears

 

[JERRY]

Spray is good for things like yellow jackets wasps mosquitoes flies things like that. Maybe even hairspray still.

However if it is capable of catching me and killing me it gets shot with a gun.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Spray is good for things like yellow jackets wasps mosquitoes flies things like that. Maybe even hairspray still.

However if it is capable of catching me and killing me it gets shot with a gun.

Yellow jackets, wasps, bees, & mosquitoes all catch and kill more people than all the bear, mountain lion, wolves, coyote, rattlesnake, copperhead, cottonmouth, coral snake kills of people, combined. Mosquitoes alone are responsible for about 80 deaths a year in the US. The whole bees/wasps category gets you another 70 or so. Compared that with 2-5 bear kills of humans per year, 1-2 mountain lion kills per year, snakes 5-10 per year, coyotes usually not fatal (usually 0 per year), wolves are usually still zero per year.

You may want to rethink the notion that if it can catch and kill you that it needs a gun, or that spray is only good for really lethal critters like bees & wasps or mosquitoes.

 

[sgmdcw]

 

[citizenconn]

I won’t be shooting my neighbors dog any time soon. I do have a walking /hiking stick if I need to shoo off a pack of wild Pugs.

Pugs may slobber you to death.

On a more serious note, there have been at least a dozen dog attacks, several of them fatal, in the Houston metroplex and surrounding counties this year. About half were in rural areas but the others have been in suburbs and almost all involved pit bulls and PB mixes. In at least one of those suburban attacks a woman tried to shoot the dog and ended up shooting a person instead.

I do most of my deer hunting in the National Forests in Texas, and I always carry a 10mm in a chest rig with stout handloads, not for bears but because people dump a lot of dogs out there, especially in the Sam Houston Forest, and seeing roving packs of wild dogs in not uncommon. Neither are spooked hogs who will bowl you over to get away from you. Finally, the last few years we are seeing more druggies and homeless folks living and camping out in the forests and it is always best to be more prepared than my hunting rifle comfortably affords.

I've done a lot of camping in the western wilds of far West Texas and in Colorado and have encountered a lot of black bears and thankfully have never had any issues with them other than rooting through the camp once or twice. I would have to rethink camping in an area with brown bears where bear spray was the best option for self defense that was available though.

 

[JERRY]

Yellow jackets, wasps, bees, & mosquitoes all catch and kill more people than all the bear, mountain lion, wolves, coyote, rattlesnake, copperhead, cottonmouth, coral snake kills of people, combined. Mosquitoes alone are responsible for about 80 deaths a year in the US. The whole bees/wasps category gets you another 70 or so. Compared that with 2-5 bear kills of humans per year, 1-2 mountain lion kills per year, snakes 5-10 per year, coyotes usually not fatal (usually 0 per year), wolves are usually still zero per year.

You may want to rethink the notion that if it can catch and kill you that it needs a gun, or that spray is only good for really lethal critters like bees & wasps or mosquitoes.

I'm not one of the delicate people. I can eat gluten and soy and red meat and I can take a bee Sting and all of that. So yeah.

 

[WisBorn]

I'm not one of the delicate people. I can eat gluten and soy and red meat and I can take a bee Sting and all of that. So yeah.

Can you take several stings from a ground wasps? Or a hive of yellow jackets after stepping into the hive?

 

[JERRY]

Can you take several stings from a ground wasps? Or a hive of yellow jackets after stepping into the hive?

I've been stung several times by yellow jackets. And as I said before spray is good for them. Why would I use a gun against yellow jackets? This was talking about using bear spray versus carrying a gun for bear defense. For bears I will carry a gun for yellow jackets I will use spray.

 

[trackskippy]

So carry something else, that you will carry. . . a cool head and a subcompact 9mm beats your artillery piece left at home.

Maybe one of those Bond Arms derringers in 45Colt and "the Custer" technique would be the best bet.


As far as those bear sprays.... I wonder if you wouldn't be better off holding your Zippo in front of it when you spray?

 

[trackskippy]

I've been stung several times by yellow jackets. And as I said before spray is good for them. Why would I use a gun against yellow jackets? This was talking about using bear spray versus carrying a gun for bear defense. For bears I will carry a gun for yellow jackets I will use spray.

The best thing for yellow jackets is to friggin RUN!

Of course, most usually drop all their tools and stuff right there where they first get hit, and have to go back for them. Ask me how I know and dont ask how many times.