Bear Attack in Canada Last Week Settle Guns vs Spray

[JERRY]

The best thing for yellow jackets is to friggin RUN!

Of course, most usually drop all their tools and stuff right there where they first get hit, and have to go back for them. Ask me how I know and dont ask how many times.

Well yeah, but if you know where the nest is then you wait until dark.... A foaming spray is worth more than any gun.

 

[WisBorn]

I've been stung several times by yellow jackets. And as I said before spray is good for them. Why would I use a gun against yellow jackets? This was talking about using bear spray versus carrying a gun for bear defense. For bears I will carry a gun for yellow jackets I will use spray.

I made a earlier post regarding having an EpiPen. In your case never having a reaction. Having Benadryl is a good idea. Even if you help someone else with it.
Stay safe!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I'm not one of the delicate people. I can eat gluten and soy and red meat and I can take a bee Sting and all of that. So yeah.

LLOL, that is good because the lethality standard for being what determines gun use just doesn't work very well.

 

[JERRY]

I made a earlier post regarding having an EpiPen. In your case never having a reaction. Having Benadryl is a good idea. Even if you help someone else with it.
Stay safe!

Oh I wasn't going off on the little side debates that people have i was sticking with the original quandary of defense against bear: gun versus spray.

 

[JERRY]

LLOL, that is good because the lethality standard for being what determines gun use just doesn't work very well.

I'm still trying to figure out how you're getting off of the defense against bear topic of gun versus spray. I stand with the gun is the better option leaving spray for other incidentals such as Yellow Jackets and 80's hairstyle.

 

[illinoisburt]

I think we do well to recognize that park rangers and the RCMP are usually armed and were armed when they responded to the location. If in fact the bear spray was the best solution then why would they bother to have guns? (Unless it would seem maybe a decision was made that certain government officials safety and well being in the face of possible dangerous animals are more important than the general park goers.)

This creates a very skewed situation not just there in Canada but in any other similar setting as well. If anything it should almost be mandatory that the folks out hiking or camping be required to have adequate means of self protection and protection of others they may encounter since there is absolutely no reasonable expectation of a quick response from a ranger or park employee should an attack happen.

 

[citizenconn]

Can you take several stings from a ground wasps? Or a hive of yellow jackets after stepping into the hive?

I think people underestimate how dangerous some of these stinging insects can be and how your immune system changes in regards to stings as you get older.

I grew up on a farm and got stung by bees and yellow jackets frequently with no ill effects as a kid and young adult. A couple years ago I got stung by some kind of hornet at my home near Houston while clearing a drain. It felt like I got shot by a bullet and after a few minutes I got extremely dizzy, couldn't breathe and fell out. Luckily my wife at the time happened to be there and forced some Benadryl and an epi pen shot into me which probably saved my life. I'd never had an ill effect from any stings or bites before except for one time when I was a kid and got stung 8 times on the head by scorpions hiding in my hat.

So be careful out there.

 

[illinoisburt]

I think people underestimate how dangerous some of these stinging insects can be any how your immune system changes in regards to stings as you get older.

I grew up on a farm and got stung by bees and yellow jackets frequently with no ill effects as a kid and young adult. A couple years ago I got stung by some kind of hornet at my home near Houston while clearing a drain. It felt like I got shot by a bullet and after a few minutes I got extremely dizzy, couldn't breathe and fell out. Luckily my wife at the time happened to be there and forced some Benadryl and an epi pen shot into me which probably saved my life. I'd never had an ill effect from any stings or bites before except for one time when I was a kid and got stung 8 times on the head by scorpions hiding in my hat.

So be careful out there.

Bees are one of the biggest concerns we see out trail riding with our horses in summer and fall. It's usually the second or third person passing by the nest that gets attacked. Horses panic, people get stung and dumped while their horses take off for safer locales. It's an all around bad day for everyone involved.

Out walking on your own two feet it ain't fun to find ground bees or a hornet nest neither, though hopefully you can get away without falling or running into a tree. They can certainly give you an unwelcome wake up call when dawn breaks in your tree stand as well and you find yourself staring at a big nest when they wake up for the day.

 

[Mk-211]

Here's another, watch how fast this goes south.

Fred Eichler Brown Bear Charge.......The Full Story

While floating down river to the next camp Fred and company come across three cubs and one angry momma bear.#bearcharge #brownbearhttps://eastonarchery.com/W...

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[Johnm1]

The only states that are not known to have any
black bears in them are ……….and Texas ( which is another weird one because you would think that North East Texas would be full of them

There used to be but the final chapter of the changing history of the Big Thicket hasn’t been written yet. When I left there in 1990 there were rumors that the last black bear was still alive.

Sorry for contributing to the thread drift.

 

[citizenconn]

There used to be but the final chapter of the changing history of the Big Thicket hasn’t been written yet. When I left there in 1990 there were rumors that the last black bear was still alive.

Sorry for contributing to the thread drift.

I saw a lot of bears in the Davis Mountains and in the Big Bend growing up in the 70s and 80s and the few times I was there in the 90s.
You would think the Big Thicket and the forests in that area could hold bears but data shows not the case, which is somewhat surprising. I think it has more to do with population density than habitat, though.

Now I know some old-timers who swear there were black bears around the San Angelo area and towards Abilene in the 1930s to 1950s. I spent a lot of time there in the 70s and 80s but never knew anyone who could provide proof of it. I did know an old trapper who lived in San Angelo and worked in the Big Bend trapping bobcats and lions and all manner of critters and had any number of them in enclosures on his ranch that he sold to zoos and private reserves but he declined to ever trap bears. I don't know if it was legal back then, but he told me he didn't do so because it was bad luck.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Now I know some old-timers who swear there were black bears around the San Angelo area and towards Abilene in the 1930s to 1950s.

I am not sure of the dates, but San Angelo is well within the historic range of black bears as documented in Walker's The Mammals of North America. Maybe just slightly further west, but still in Texas, and you would have been in grizzly range. Here is the last grizzly account in Texas from around 1900... https://tpwmagazine.com/archive/2006/dec/legend/

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Actual quote: "One can of bear spray had been fully discharged, but this bear was not to be deterred," he reportedly added.

Alway's take big bore medicine into the woods. You never know when it will be needed.

Auto-correct got me on that one. I had to type the entire quote, rather than just copy/paste, to delete the commercial link in "bear spray" which you've now included. But yeah, I messed up one word. You got me. I'll take my A- on my report now. smh

 

[D.B. Cooper]

First off, there is no 40s&w +p.

Yes there is. It's called 10mm. They just gave it a different name. =)

 

[D.B. Cooper]

The correct answer is: the camping couple should’ve armed themselves with the same sidearm that Denmark issues to its Sirius Sledge Patrol soldiers assigned to the arctic areas of Greenland: the 10mm Gen4 Glock 20, assuming it’s properly loaded with something like Underwood’s 220gn coated HC slugs.

Dead bear, right there. … Wouldn’t be the first time either.

Alaskans Stop Grizzly Bear Charge with Glock 10mm On Elmendorf-Richardson

A charging grizzly bear attack was stopped with a 10mm Glock pistol on Elmendorf-Richardson in September of 2018.

www.ammoland.com

Semi auto handguns are illegal in Canada.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Nope, AFAIK there is but a single recorded instance of a grizzly/brownie actually eating a human after killing it.


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Sas that the Treadwell guy down in Katmai? The Grizzly Whisper or somthing? They found the guy's arm inside the bear's stomach. His watch was still ticking. I used to know the pilot who took the game wardens out to find him.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

How many who insist on the big, heavy recoiling calibers actually practice at least somewhat realistically with them?

I do. I ran my revolver in competition for several years. I shot my CCW qualification course with it. Of course, I mostly shot 44 Spl, but I can shoot my handloaded bear rounds competently as well.

You ask a good question, though, and it's a valid point. I know people who dont even practice witht heir hunting rifle, let alone a pistol.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

The ammo described was not incorrect. Buffalo Bore does sell rounds as .40 S&W +P. That is their designation for anyone wanting to buy that load.

Heavy .40 +P Smith & Weson Pistol & Handgun Ammunition

Heavy .40 +P Smith & Wesson Field Proven pistol and handgun ammo. Maximum firepower bullets. Best ammunition for pistols and handguns for sale. Buffalo Bore. Strictly big bore. Strictly Business.

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I stand corrected!!
This is the first I have ever seen this ammo.

I just need to be clear here: the remark I made regarding 10mm = 40S&W+P was intended as sarcasm-a deragatory remark toward 10mm as an inadequate caliber, especially when compared to 44 magnum. In other words, commercially loaded 10mm is only slightly more powerful than 40S&W. It was a joke.

 

[JEBruns]

The best thing for yellow jackets is to friggin RUN!

Of course, most usually drop all their tools and stuff right there where they first get hit, and have to go back for them. Ask me how I know and dont ask how many times.

Been there, done that. Stepped in a yellow jacket nest while working trails. Got stung 100 times, give or take. They where in my shirt, ears, eye lids, etc. Walking back up to pick up my chainsaw and machete 15 minutes later was nerve wracking, but they left me alone. Found out I'm not allergic to their stings that day. Had an Epi pen back at the RV, but that was miles away.

Whenever I go to the brown bear country, I swap out the 9mm EDC for a .40. Makes me feel better about it.

 

[S.Crockett]

Semi auto handguns are illegal in Canada.

Canuckastan, as aforesaid.

 

[buck460XVR]

I’d rather have my dog than not. They have much better hearing and sense of smell. Early warning and deterrent IME

....same here. A lot of assumptions being made here on what happened. While the spray did not seem to be a deterrent, do we know it was used properly? Sometimes you do everything right and ship still happens. Terrible tragedy that may or may not have been preventable, even with a firearm.

 

[JERRY]

Semi auto handguns are illegal in Canada.

When did that happen?!

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Bears are gonna bear.

It always amazes me how many people on both sides of the equation insist on some form of "be-all" answer to bear defense.

Or animal defense of any kind, for that matter.

Add to this the fact that most people are just plain ignorant on animal behavioral traits to begin with. One's very posture while observing the bear can trigger an aggressive response if the bear interprets it as "stalking", for example.

As the old saying goes, "you pays your money, you takes your choice".

Defense against animal attack should be layered, just as for human attacks. Even so, there is no guarantee.

A Canadian Grizzly can reach 5 feet at the shoulder, 10 feet in length, and mass over half a ton. That's a LOT of intelligent apex predator whose daily dietary needs involves just a wee bit under 100 pounds of food.

You can take all the precautions in the world and still end up getting the shaft from Mother Nature.

 

[dawei]

Well, you know by the time it makes it to the Internet it's out of date. I have a really hard time believing there are no black bears in Wyoming

Wyoming has black bears as I have seen them in both Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks.

 

[WisBorn]

Wyoming has black bears as I have seen them in both Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks.

I have seen several black bears in Yellowstone, in addition to 2 Grizzlies.