Biden Group Proposes Creative New Way to Curb Private Gun Sales

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Summary: Biden Group is recommending redefining 'gun trafficking'.

Currently: It is illegal to sell a gun to a person that you "know or have reasonable cause to believe" is a felon.

Biden Group's Proposal: It is illegal to sell a gun to a felon.

This means that they want to shift the burden of proof onto private gun sellers. If you sell a gun to a person who lies about their status as a felon, you would be held criminally liable.

Goodbye, private sales...
 
Unenforceable garbage.

Now any felon can slip the turd in the pocket of someone they dislike and drag them down, too. Felon gets caught with a gun: "Jim Bob sold it to me. Can't prove that he did, but you can't prove that he didn't."
 
Private sales in AZ doesnt require any paperwork so if a person were to sell a gun to another person. And the buyer gets in trouble, how does that gun come back to the previous seller since there is no paper trail? jim
 
Hmm...

He and Zero apparently had no problem selling guns to people whom they could have reasonably known or had reasonable cause to believe were felons during the operation of Fast & Furious. Now they wanna enforce it?

Such hypocrisy.
 
Hmmmmm, less-see, which of the mass murderers that the commission is supposed to be trying to provide measures to stop paid someone other than an FFL for a firearm they used in their slaughter?

Lanza? Nope. His mom legally bought the firearms from a local gun shop and went through the federally required background check in compliance with fed and state law.

Holmes? Nope. He bought his from a local gun shop and went through the federally required background check.

Lanza? Nope. He bought his from a local gun shop and went through the federally required background check.

Cho? Nope. He bought his from a local gun shop and went through the federally required background check.

So exactly what is this supposed to accomplish to stop madmen who all purchased their firearms and passed the background check at a gun shop?

Oh, nothing, since it hasn't anything to do with the crime committed.
 
If they really wanted to prevent the last big spree shootings, they'd need to pass a federal law making it a crime to be creepy and weird, since if I'm not mistaken that's about the only common denominator pre-shooting between Lanza, Cho, Holmes, and Loughner.
 
HorseSoldier said:
If they really wanted to prevent the last big spree shootings, they'd need to pass a federal law making it a crime to be creepy and weird, since if I'm not mistaken that's about the only common denominator pre-shooting between Lanza, Cho, Holmes, and Loughner.
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+1, LOL

I thought we already had that law.
 
What about statutory rape if the minor lies about their age? I thought there was case law where the adult was acqitted because of the misrepresenation by the minor.
 
sonick808 said:
aside from being creepy and weird, the shooters also had SSRI's in common
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Can't call them causative since many had stopped taken them for longer than a physiologic effect or withdrawal would induce linkage directly to them. Perhaps they were simple creepy and weird and the treatment for creepy and weird was SSRI's, that seems to have come first.
 
the problem with blaming SSRIs is that people taking them already have problems. I think it's hard to be sure it's the medicine that's causing the problem. These are sick people who were taking meds. I always thought it was peculiar that some people are taken aback that a high proportion of people who commit suicide are on SSRIs. Well the thing is, people who are depressed or anxious or whatnot are prone to suicide anyway.

I think, at most, we can conclude that the SSRI thing indicates that somebody new these people had problems. The problem with blaming SSRIs is that lots and lots of people take these and very few of those people freak out and kill anybody. Let's not do with SSRIs what the antis do with guns...you got one (or take one) you must be dangerous. By far and away most people on SSRIs are on them because they wash their hands too often or sit around feeling sorry for themselves or whatever. We're not talking anti-psychotic drugs here.

These people are crazy and evil...I am sorry...evil exists. You put crazy in there and blamo...we got problems.
 
Propose something that actually has an effect on curbing "mass murders".... The only one is arming people.... "more guns less crime".

Again, this is all about trying to saddle the honest person with needless laws and red tape.
 
Oh please lets not bring logic or cause and effect into this sheesh....... after F&F and Bengazi we know they were "trafficking in arms" and the law just doesn't apply. Now sit down shutup and be a good little citizen.


Just couldn't resist.... sarcasm off.
 
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Originally Posted by HorseSoldier
If they really wanted to prevent the last big spree shootings, they'd need to pass a federal law making it a crime to be creepy and weird, since if I'm not mistaken that's about the only common denominator pre-shooting between Lanza, Cho, Holmes, and Loughner.
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+1, LOL

I thought we already had that law.
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Yeah, right, if we did, how do you explain Congress?
 
Skribs said:
What's wrong with being creepy and weird?
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It should be illegal and those people locked up, given lobotomies and electric shock therapy. Don't you know, that they don't deserve the right to be a human. Creepy and weird is an affront to all humanity and to protect the masses, creepy and weird people should be banned for their own good, then we will have real peace and safety.

Problem is they think all gun owners are creepy and weird.
 
22rimfire said: Propose something that actually has an effect on curbing "mass murders".... The only one is arming people.... "more guns less crime".
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I'd like to show a scenario that illustrates the fallacy of this proposal.

Take normal school, say a 1000 students. Have an armed LEO on site. Lets say the LEO is in the NW corner of the school. A crazy breaks into a classroom on the SE side of the building. He locks the classroom door and starts shooting.
You can all guess the outcome. Many dead or injured students. True the LEO can break down the door and stop the shooter but many seconds or perhaps minutes will have elapsed just getting from Point A to Point B.
I think that as well intentioned the suggestion, there is no real way for a LEO to prevent mass murder in the schools. One in every classroom? Beyond reality. In the case of the recent killings in CT. the front doors were locked as required. So what did the killer do? He broke a window and got in that way.
This is a case in my opinion that the NRA should have done some serious thinking before responding as they did.

Taking this a step further. Suppose the killer was armed with only a machete? Maybe fewer deaths, but more injuries. Gun laws wouldn't have saved a kid and points to the need for social change not just gun law changes.
 
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RedAlert, he said "arm people", and you jump to LEO. What about arming and training the teachers? Okay, so BG shoots the teacher first. Teachers in the next classroom can respond. Even if only a handful of the teachers are armed, it provides 1) a deterrent and 2) a faster armed response. If I were a teacher, I'd rather me respond in seconds than the police in minutes.

It would go a lot further to curbing violence than any gun ban.
 
Here's a real solution, arm teachers and aids, make training and armament a requirement to teach, and get the amendments back to where they were written, and make the Constitution the supreme law of the land as written, not by interpretation.
 
The SSRI issue is not in taking it as prescribed, but coming off it without supervision.

Creepy and weird...are they talking about the Senate and the House?
 
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