Private Gun Show FFL transfer...would you use one?
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newfalguy101
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For what its worth, in Nebraska, a purchase permit is required for handgun transfers between individuals, Face to face or otherwise.
I hold an 01 FFL and if a couple of individuals requested that I handle a transfer for them I would, for my regular transfer fee. Easy money.
I hold an 01 FFL and if a couple of individuals requested that I handle a transfer for them I would, for my regular transfer fee. Easy money.
Monte Verde
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What proof would you have that you sold it? You would still be the owner of record
Nite Ryder
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I'm comfortable doing my own sale and have all the peace of mind I need, without any interference from the government. To think that a gun owner would even propose such a question to me is irritating, but it takes all kinds of people to make the world go round. Fools are the reason the country is where it is now...
savanahsdad
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Innocent in tell proven guilty .. right?.... If I were buying and the seller starting asking for my CCL , CCW , DOB, mother's madden name , ect ect .. I would be offended . nor would I treat someone else that way ,, "WOULD YOU PLEASE DO A BACKGROWN CHECK " !! .. ummm would you please kiss my ... foot ... 
in my state I have to ask . do you live here and are you a felon , yes and no here ya go my friend , enjoy ...
now there is some common sense here , if the guy is tweaking and holding a bunch of crunched up bills with red sticky stuff on them , well .. no sale !
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in my state I have to ask . do you live here and are you a felon , yes and no here ya go my friend , enjoy ... now there is some common sense here , if the guy is tweaking and holding a bunch of crunched up bills with red sticky stuff on them , well .. no sale !
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Carl N. Brown
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Background check through a dealer is $10. (Tennessee Instant Check has to go through state DOSHS for current local wants and warrants before going through federal NICS, which means ATF does not allow Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit in place of the $10 TICS for a 4473 transaction at an FFL!)
Private background check, last I checked, cost $30 in Tennessee. That's more than the profit margin on a lot of private sales, swaps or trades. Most people don't use it, but rely on private judgement that the buyer does not appear to be a prohibited person, and the seller does not appear to be fencing stolen goods. Quite frankly, every Tennessee gun show I have been to has police presence doing safety check and cable tie on guns at the door,* and I treat rumor of undercovers walking the floor as a possibility. The shady transactions are least likely to occur at gunshows in my opinion (and according to the inmate surveys cited by Bureau of Justice Statistics). It's like the gun show attendees are prescreened compared to the folks responding to a classified ad or to the "gun for sale" word put on the street or bulletin board.
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* I was at a gun show when the a guy handed the cop at the desk at the door a gun he had inherited, had no use for, and wanted to sell it to an FFL. The cop doing the safety inspection and cable tie proceeded to eject a live round from the firing chamber and four or five from the magazine. Apparently the relative had died with the gun fully loaded, and no one else in the family knew diddly about clearing the gun. Similar situation at a gun shop involving a Winchester pump .22 rifle: an heir brought in an unwanted inheritance fully loaded, with no clue how it worked to even unload it himself. The more I think about those situations, the more I think next private sale or trade I do, I will limit myself to a fellow THCP holder for piece of mind.
Private background check, last I checked, cost $30 in Tennessee. That's more than the profit margin on a lot of private sales, swaps or trades. Most people don't use it, but rely on private judgement that the buyer does not appear to be a prohibited person, and the seller does not appear to be fencing stolen goods. Quite frankly, every Tennessee gun show I have been to has police presence doing safety check and cable tie on guns at the door,* and I treat rumor of undercovers walking the floor as a possibility. The shady transactions are least likely to occur at gunshows in my opinion (and according to the inmate surveys cited by Bureau of Justice Statistics). It's like the gun show attendees are prescreened compared to the folks responding to a classified ad or to the "gun for sale" word put on the street or bulletin board.
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* I was at a gun show when the a guy handed the cop at the desk at the door a gun he had inherited, had no use for, and wanted to sell it to an FFL. The cop doing the safety inspection and cable tie proceeded to eject a live round from the firing chamber and four or five from the magazine. Apparently the relative had died with the gun fully loaded, and no one else in the family knew diddly about clearing the gun. Similar situation at a gun shop involving a Winchester pump .22 rifle: an heir brought in an unwanted inheritance fully loaded, with no clue how it worked to even unload it himself. The more I think about those situations, the more I think next private sale or trade I do, I will limit myself to a fellow THCP holder for piece of mind.
oneounceload
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Why would you need the proof? Gee, Officer, I sold it at a garage sale to someone with cash. Think his first name was Fred (or whatever)
AlexanderA
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The consensus in this thread seems to be that a no-questions-asked attitude, when selling, is OK. I find this somewhat disturbing -- we can be our own worst enemies at times. Responsible gun ownership includes being responsible at the time of the disposition of the firearm. Unless you know the buyer personally, "due diligence" would include at least a cursory background check. Whether you do this through a dealer (completing a Form 4473, etc.), or by some other means (Googling the buyer?), would be up to you.
jerkface11
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20 years ago there were no background checks on ANY firearm purchases. Now you call me irresponsible for not running one on the guy buying from me at a gunshow. Maybe we should stop giving ground to the anti-gun crowd before we run out.
Monte Verde
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Think that would get you off the hook?
km101
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I dont need any proof that I sold it. If I haven't committed a crime there is no problem. The police cannot prove that "I" did anything wrong with the gun. And there is no need for a bill of sale or transfer to prove this.
As to the OP: NO! We are giving in to the people who want to create more regulations!
bigfatdave
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You were never ON a hook in the first place.Monte Verde said:
Monte Verde
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You will be "on the hook" until cleared and that may be an unpleasant process, that could have been easily avoided. Just stating the reality...
savanahsdad
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^^^^yep^^^^ innocent in tell proven guilty .....
Inebriated
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You won't find a lot of "yes" answers here. However, I know a lot of people who aren't as comfortable with buying/selling guns, who would probably love to be able to do it, "just in case".
jerkface11
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How do you expect them to track the gun back to you in the first place?
Monte Verde
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Yeah, lots of bravado here... I would rather give myself some protection. If the buyer wants an off the books transfer, I have good reason to look for another.
Monte Verde
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It's very easily done through a trace by ATF if you originally bought the gun through a dealer.
jerkface11
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This isn't a TV show. The ATF isn't allowed to keep a database of who owns what. The one they do have is illegal so they aren't likely to share it with local police. Unless you bought a gun new tracing it down even to the dealer level will be a LOT of work.
AlexanderA
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Background checks for sales between private individuals, at gun shows or elsewhere, should be voluntary. But there should be a mechanism for doing this at little or no cost, something along the lines of Sen. Coburn's proposal for free checks over the Internet. The incentive for using such a system? Immunity from civil liability if the gun is later misused.
Monte Verde
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Answer to jerkface11:
I am well aware of how an ATF trace works as I have has the occasion to have several traces done by them.
The manufacturer has records of what distributer they shipped the gun to. The distributer has records of the dealer they shipped the gun to and the dealer has a record of who they sold the gun to -very easy!
I am well aware of how an ATF trace works as I have has the occasion to have several traces done by them.
The manufacturer has records of what distributer they shipped the gun to. The distributer has records of the dealer they shipped the gun to and the dealer has a record of who they sold the gun to -very easy!
oneounceload
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Off the hoof from WHAT? Unless I was already a suspect in whatever happened, I am not on any hook
WAY too much paranoia about being blamed for something
What protection? There is none. You have NO idea what happens to it after the sale. Much ado about nothing; stop making BS up that gives the antis even more ideas how to restrict your freedoms
jerkface11
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That's why I said UNLESS YOU BOUGHT THE GUN NEW. Once it's passed through several owners tracing it is pretty difficult.
Monte Verde
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Not making up BS.
Innocent people have been financially ruined proving their innocence.
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