Private Gun Show FFL transfer...would you use one?

[Monte Verde]

SOMEone gets it............... ;D

Obviously not you!

If you sell your firearm to a prohibited person, who the commits a crime where someone is killed, tell the attorneys that made you a defendant in a wrongful death suit, that it was a legal sale and see how that works for you....

It's also a matter of conscience. I won't sell a firearm to someone who is unknown to me and reluctant to identify themselves.

 

[Warp]

Obviously not you!

If you sell your firearm to a prohibited person, who the commits a crime where someone is killed, tell the attorneys that made you a defendant in a wrongful death suit, that it was a legal sale and see how that works for you....

Examples please.

And, of course, what we are talking about is a legal sale, which means you have no reason to believe the buyer is a prohibited person.

So, given that parameter...examples, please.

 

[newfalguy101]

You can sell your firearm to any sleaze bag you want - good for you.

Not exactly, even in a face to face the seller has an obligation to at least TRY to determine if the buyer is prohibited.

In many places that means looking at an ID that shows the buyer is of age and a resident.

In other places there are state or local laws that require MORE than the bare bones minimum, and its on the seller to know what is required.

 

[TennJed]

If it makes you feel better to do it great for you, but it should NOT be required

 

[Monte Verde]

Examples please.

And, of course, what we are talking about is a legal sale, which means you have no reason to believe the buyer is a prohibited person.

So, given that parameter...examples, please.

It was hypothetical.

Maybe you'll be the first.

 

[M2 Carbine]

If you bought your gun through a dealer and sold it FTF without paperwork - the paper trail stops with YOU. Guess who the police are going after if the firearm is recovered at a crime scene or in the hands of a felon?

So who are the Police "going after"?

You been watching too much TV.

I said in post #13 exactly what happens. A ten minute talk with the Detectives in which you tell them you (legally) sold the gun and you have no idea where it's at.

Now if any of you guys want to post an incident where anyone legally sold a gun FTF and was later were charged with something by the Police,

or,

the seller had any civil action taken against them because they legally sold a gun that was used in a crime,

let's hear about it.


You guys want to do exactly what the anti-gun crowd wants, register your guns.
OK, you register your guns but I'll end the paper trail every time I can.

 

[Warp]

It was hypothetical.

It was made up.

If you have to make stuff up to 'prove' your point...maybe your point isn't very good.

 

[oneounceload]

What I thought - no proof of anything, just fear mongering. One needs to do some form due diligence; that can mean simply asking if they are a prohibited person to a DNA swab. There won't be any wrongful death suit against me or anyone who chooses not to go through some form of inquisition on a buyer........

Nice try though.....

 

[Pizzapinochle]

I honestly find it a little troubling how many of you are extremely satisfied with the fact that you can sell a gun to a violent, convicted criminal in a FTF sale as long as the criminal lies to you when you ask them if they are prohibited from owning a gun.

 

[Warp]

I honestly find it a little troubling how many of you are extremely satisfied with the fact that you can sell a gun to a violent, convicted criminal in a FTF sale as long as the criminal lies to you when you ask them if they are prohibited from owning a gun.

Many sovereign individuals prefer that the federal government not be legally required to give us permission to complete a transaction with other sovereign individuals.

BTW: Your time and efforts would probably be better spent bringing the laws about hammers, and bats, and batons, and clubs, and knives, etc, at least up to speed with the level of control and regulation that is currently applied to firearms. You can probably get a lot more accomplished that way..

Maybe a law about anybody convicted of DUI buying an automobile should be on your to-do list as well? We'd need to require a background check on that one for sure.

 

[jerkface11]

I find it troubling that you think we should get permission from big brother before selling our property.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

No.
And I wouldn't buy from an individual who insisted on one. I will follow the law to the letter, but I won't go above and beyond. Because I don't have to.

 

[DammitBoy]

It's also a matter of conscience. I won't sell a firearm to someone who is unknown to me and reluctant to identify themselves.

Should we suspect your motives on this forum since you are reluctant to identify yourself? (I'm assuming monte verde is not your real name)

 

[Monte Verde]

So who are the Police "going after"?

You been watching too much TV.

I said in post #13 exactly what happens. A ten minute talk with the Detectives in which you tell them you (legally) sold the gun and you have no idea where it's at.

Now if any of you guys want to post an incident where anyone legally sold a gun FTF and was later were charged with something by the Police,

or,

the seller had any civil action taken against them because they legally sold a gun that was used in a crime,

let's hear about it.


You guys want to do exactly what the anti-gun crowd wants, register your guns.
OK, you register your guns but I'll end the paper trail every time I can.

Haven't been watching too much TV.

If you think a simple "I sold it" will get the authorities off your back - dream on!

If the police believed everyone that said that they didn't do the crime the jails would be empty.

If you think that simply asking someone if they are prohibited is due diligence, when there is an easy option available that is a higher standard, you are mistaken.

How do you know exactly what happens? How many investigations have you done?

 

[Warp]

Haven't been watching too much TV.

If you think a simple "I sold it" will get the authorities off your back - dream on!

If the police believed everyone that said that they didn't do the crime the jails would be empty.

If you think that simply asking someone if they are prohibited is due diligence, when there is an easy option available that is a higher standard, you are mistaken.

And yet you have zero examples, because you are making this up.

Seems pretty trollish at this point.

 

[jshrop6004]

Questions

On the subject of showing identification to prove you are a resident of the state you are physically in during a firearms sales transaction, can anyone explain why I, as a US citizen, can not go to a neighboring state and buy or sell a firearm?

Am I expected to lose all legal and moral scruples when I cross the state line and become a rabid mad dog killer?

Why is my state drivers license valid in all 50 states but I can't buy a firearm in another state?

I can buy an automobile or almost any other goods or merchandise in another state but not a firearm.

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Monte Verde]

Should we suspect your motives on this forum since you are reluctant to identify yourself? (I'm assuming monte verde is not your real name)

I'm assuming your user name is not your real name either.

 

[Warp]

On the subject of showing identification to prove you are a resident of the state you are physically in during a firearms sales transaction, can anyone explain why I, as a US citizen, can not go to a neighboring state and buy or sell a firearm?

Because the federal government has over stepped its authority and passed a stupid law.

What their supposed logic was, I have no idea. I've never heard anybody attempt to explain why that law makes sense.

 

[DammitBoy]

I'm assuming your user name is not your real name either.

And the reason for that is?

 

[jerkface11]

I've yet to hear how a gun I bought used in the first place could be traced back to me at all.

 

[hovercat]

The 'no out of state ftf sales' law may have a silver lining. I would think that it removes ftf sales from federal control as the commerce clause would no longer apply.

 

[jshrop6004]

Because the federal government has over stepped its authority and passed a stupid law.

What their supposed logic was, I have no idea. I've never heard anybody attempt to explain why that law makes sense.

I agree Warp, but seriously thought someone wiser than myself might have an explanation.

 

[jshrop6004]

The 'no out of state ftf sales' law may have a silver lining. I would think that it removes ftf sales from federal control as the commerce clause would no longer apply.

....and Hovercat sheds some light. I will have to do some research on the subject. Thanks!

 

[jshrop6004]

And yet you have zero examples, because you are making this up.

Seems pretty trollish at this point.

Not throwing stones because I read a lot more than I post, but one would have to ask why someone with 17 posts in over seven years has 16 of those posts defending background checks in this thread.

 

[jaysouth]

I had a home visit from the BATFE about a gun that I bought at a dealer that showed up inside yellow tape.

They would not tell me where the gun was recovered or the crime involved. I told them that I sold the gun at a gun show. The buyer was unknown to me but flashed a DL and a Concealed carry license. After a cup of coffee, they were gone in 15 minutes.

They were very polite and thanked me for my time and taking time to verify that the buyer was a residence of my state. I have never heard another word about it as badly as I would like to know the details.

So much for tinfoil theories about the BATFE. Private is private, I will not buy a gun if the seller insists on a bill of sale and nine forms of ID and fingerprints. I don't deal with hysterical women and people afraid of their own shadow. I want the paper trail to stop at that point. I will offer a bill of sale to a buyer, if he wants it, and will put down the amount of sale that he stipulates, if he wants an inflated value for insurance purposes.

I have bought a LOT of guns in private transaction with out benefit of paperwork and intend to continue to do it that way. Never had any repercussions or been stuck with a stolen gun.