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Pinstripe takes a bow. Your welcome snakeman.
Chrome lining is an option on DPMS barrels
.DPMS does not even batch HPT/MPI their barrels
DPMS doesn't change their chamber reams out when they become worn - I've personally seen many of their barrels with tight to very tight chambers.
DPMS rarely stakes their carrier keys
I've yet to see a DPMS bolt with the correct extractor spring & insert on one of their carbines.
DPMS uses the cheaper, and weaker commercial diameter receiver extension (aka buffer tube) on their carbines.
DPMS does not stake their receiver extension castle nuts
Other brands at the same price use the stronger mil spec tubes, and properly stake the castle nut.
The Sport, 2nd version T (SKU 811041), new VTAC II, and new MOE MAGPUL SPEC SERIES all have S&W's 5.56 NATO chambered, Melonited, 1:8 5R barrel. The new 300 Whisper model (which is .300 AAC Blackout compatible) uses a 1:7.5 twist 5R bbl.Are the S&W barrels actually 5R?
And a guy who uses his computer for surfing the web & checking email won't ever notice the difference between an Intel Core i series first gen processor and a second gen Sandy Bridge Core i series processor either. So your point is also moot. If the latest & greatest processor, motherboard, hard drive, and graphics card make you feel good go for it.in computer world everything is clear and be quantified, we know pentium 4 is faster than 3, 2TB disk hold twice as much data as 1TB disk, so you pay for difference you can see
here in ar-15 world, no difference can be measured or even felt by users, is BCM better than DPMS? who knows, only thing you can see is total strangers' comment on internet and who knows which company they work for? even if there's real difference, users probably will never see or feel the difference so it's moot. so if particular brand makes you feel good, go for it
Are the S&W barrels actually 5R? That's an Obermeyer rifling contour. I am confused by the Daniel Defense site. Only the "button swaged" (button rifled) ones have 4150 stamped on them. Are they all actually 11595B certified, or just "tested"?
Chrome Moly isn't the same as Chrome lining. Here's DPMS own specs:DPMS Panther lite 16 A3... Chamber and bore were chrome lined and it was not special ordered.
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.Other brands at the same price use the stronger mil spec tubes, and properly stake the castle nut
Not hardly
Not directly stated on their website, but yes, DD has confirmed in e-mail & phone call inquiries from several folks that they do use Mil-B-11595E certified steel in their chrome lined bbls.I am confused by the Daniel Defense site. Only the "button swaged" (button rifled) ones have 4150 stamped on them. Are they all actually 11595B certified, or just "tested"?
with computer sure you can feel the difference even just surfing web since these days web pages are heavy if you don't know. and if you ever do word or image processing or play games the difference is even bigger, unlike ar-15, no matter what brand you use, you can feel NOTHING different in practice, only the little stamp LOOKS different lolAnd a guy who uses his computer for surfing the web & checking email won't ever notice the difference between an Intel Core i series first gen processor and a second gen Sandy Bridge Core i series processor either. So your point is also moot. If the latest & greatest processor, motherboard, hard drive, and graphics card make you feel good go for it.
Maybe you can't feel a difference, but I sure can. Just like you can tell a difference in computers when you run them hard, I can tell a difference in ARs when I run them hard. I've already spelled out several of the quantifiable differences, and YOU'RE the one who refuses to acknowledge them.unlike ar-15, no matter what brand you use, you can feel NOTHING different in practice, only the little stamp LOOKS different lol
here in ar-15 world, no difference can be measured or even felt by users, is BCM better than DPMS? who knows
but i can tell which is bmw which is ford by driving them for 30 secs, easily
they don't? damnI didn't know BMW made a truck...
but i can tell which is bmw which is ford by driving them for 30 secs, easily
jrdolall
Posts: 40 From those of us who actually just enjoy owning and shooting a firearm just let me say that we all understand that there are more expensive options available. A Mossberg .270 from wallyworld costs $300 and a "quality" one cost $1500 at a real gun shop. If you put a $59 scope on the $300 rifle, assuming it wasn't a combo, and the other guy puts a $1200 Zeiss in his $1500 rifle then he probably has a better setup than the guy with the $300 gun. If they both sit in a deer stand and shoot a deer at 75 yards, after sighting them in, then it is real darned likely that there will be two dead deer lying around. Now if they both go to Colorado, wade across rivers with the guns, drop them from horseback, lay in the snow for 8 hours, and shoot at an elk at 450 yards it is possible that the high dollar gun will outperform the cheap one. Then again maybe not.
From those of us who actually just enjoy owning and shooting a firearm just let me say that we all understand that there are more expensive options available. A Mossberg .270 from wallyworld costs $300 and a "quality" one cost $1500 at a real gun shop. If you put a $59 scope on the $300 rifle, assuming it wasn't a combo, and the other guy puts a $1200 Zeiss in his $1500 rifle then he probably has a better setup than the guy with the $300 gun. If they both sit in a deer stand and shoot a deer at 75 yards, after sighting them in, then it is real darned likely that there will be two dead deer lying around. Now if they both go to Colorado, wade across rivers with the guns, drop them from horseback, lay in the snow for 8 hours, and shoot at an elk at 450 yards it is possible that the high dollar gun will outperform the cheap one. Then again maybe not.
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my point has been, an opinion passed around 1000 times doesn't make it a factWhat does this have anything to with the fact that for the SAME price as a DPMS, a BETTER rifle can be had? What's so hard to understand about that?
my point has been, an opinion passed around 1000 times doesn't make it a fact
i don't see any proof that colt is better than dpms, only people THINK by whatever reason that's the case
i bet there are some failed dpms, a lot more failed colt, but there are a lot more colt than dpms, so which one has higher rate of failure? no one knows
the only fact about these that we know is colt is being used by military, but being used by military doesn't equate to better quality, that's just fact
as about bcm/dd/... that are *thought* to be better by internet commandos, there are even less data or fact to consider, only thing being passed around are just someone's opinions, maybe they have better websites or more money on the marketing (paid by their buyers), but that doesn't make their rifles better