Black Water Security License to operate in Iraq Suspended after Shootout

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There has been a lot of talk about Blackwater on this board, related to Iraq and to the aftermath of katrina in NO so I am posting this story here, hopefully this is the right forum:

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq announced on Monday it had withdrawn the license of a U.S. security firm and would prosecute employees it said were involved in a shooting in Baghdad in which 11 people were killed.


An Interior Ministry spokesman said security personnel working for contractors Blackwater had opened fire after mortar rounds landed near their cars in Nusour Square in the western Baghdad district of Mansour.

"By chance the company was passing by. They opened fire randomly at citizens," Brigadier-General Abdul-Karim Khalaf said. Eleven people were killed, including one policeman, and 13 people were wounded, he said.

A U.S. embassy spokesman said the shooting took place after a car bomb exploded when U.S. diplomats were nearby.

"The car bomb was in proximity to a place where State Department personnel were meeting. That is why Blackwater responded to the incident," spokesman Johann Schmonsees said.

The embassy said it was taking the incident very seriously and cooperating with the Iraqi government, but declined to confirm that Blackwater's license had been revoked.

There was no immediate response from Blackwater, which employs hundreds of foreign contractors in Iraq and is responsible for U.S. embassy security.

Blackwater's distinctive small black helicopters hover in the skies above Baghdad and its armed vehicles shadow convoys of senior officials through the city's streets.

Four Blackwater employees were killed in Falluja in 2004. Insurgents then burned their bodies and hung the charred remains from a bridge -- prompting an all-out U.S. military assault on the Iraqi city.

IRAQI CONDEMNATION

"We have withdrawn its license," Khalaf said, adding that the ministry had also formed a committee to investigate the incident and "deliver those who committed this act to the court."

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki condemned the shooting and vowed to punish the perpetrators and their employers.

"We will work to punish and halt the work of the security company which conducted this criminal act," state television quoted him as saying.

The U.S. embassy said it was seeking clarification on whether Blackwater employees could be prosecuted in Iraq.

Interior Minister Jawad al-Bolani said security contractors "must respect Iraqi laws and the right of Iraqis to independence on their land."

"These cases have happened more than once and we can't keep silent in the face of them," he told Arabiya television.

Tens of thousands of private security contractors, many of them American and European, have worked in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion to topple Saddam Hussein in 2003.

Many Iraqis believe they operate outside the law with little accountability either to the Iraqi government or U.S. military forces.

Khalaf did not say how many contractors were involved in the shooting. He said the investigating committee had gone to the scene and spoken to witnesses, and would also visit the company's compound in Baghdad.

(Additional reporting by Dominic Evans and Waleed Ibrahim)
 
I'm not sure which way to stand on this one...While I think the Blackwater and other security firms have a right to protect themselves, I've seen the videos of these contractors driving down the road shooting up cars simply for getting too close. Aggressive driving is one thing, opening fire on anything in the vicinity is entirely different, and if this story is true they should be removed from Iraq.
 
Tens of thousands of private security contractors
Why can't they just call them mercenaries? The media is so quick to label any long gun with a pistol grip an assault rifle, but they get PC when they mention Blackwater? Sheesh.
 
My worry is that now they are booted from Iraq that we will see them used more domestically.

The dot gov invested heavily in Blackwater, they are gonna want to use them somewhere.....
 
Interestingly enough, most people i talk to about this sort of issue really dont even know what these " contractors" are. A large amount of the population isn't aware that mercenaries are hired for work in iraq through those agencies. Just as an example, my parents heard a security contractor was killed on the news and they were under the impression a security contractor was about the same thing as a construction worker, but building stuff in iraq. Once i explained to them what a security contractor was they had a hard time believing me.:scrutiny:
 
Well I kind of saw this coming eventually.

Even if they didn't shoot these people Iraqis want US personel to leave Iraq, not stay there.

I have mixed feelings regarding Blackwater.

On one hand I think that they're professional and are probably pretty good at their job. Most of them are Ex-Special Forces, so that kind of says something. They just want to get more pay for what they do. I personally don't see anything wrong with that.

At the same time though the authorites of whatever country they're operating in and the US Military don't seem to have much control over them so they're basically loose cannons if they decide to be. All it takes is one bad apple wanting to just up his body count by shooting at whomever and you've got an International Incident on your hands.
 
yeah, i am with the "I saw it coming" crowd. I got into a debate on TFL about blackwater, and i was surprised to see how many people thought the complete lack of accountability that blackwater seems to have is ok.

Looks like somebody has started accounting. Now if the Iraqi gov would start policing all the insurgents, that would be a great step in the right direction.

JMO,

Jamie
 
Tens of thousands of heavily armed mercenaries with zero accountability is not a good thing. You can tell how out of control they are by this sentence, "the U.S. embassy said it was seeking clarification on whether Blackwater employees could be prosecuted in Iraq." They don't even know what legal jurisdiction the mercenaries fall under and it's the fourth year of the war.
 
I must just be clueless, because I don't get why the .gov is using private companies for this kind of work, anyway. These fellas are ex-military, got it. Ok, then what are the "currently" military guys for?

Maybe being an amateur WW2 historian has clouded my perception of the U.S. military, but were there "contractors" doing any of the protection work that was necessary for these "clients"' counterparts in WW2? It's been my impression that the military was always who guarded the government-related security focusses back then. Why different now?
 
truth be told, if they could get away with it, the .gov would take the whole military private.......easier to control that way, till you cant control them.
 
I look at this with mixed feelings. I am sorry innocent people were killed, BUT it shows the ENTIRE COUNTRY what happens when you have people outside the U.C.M.J. If/when the next Katrina shows up people will pitch a major stink if they hear Blackwater has arived.
 
I must just be clueless, because I don't get why the .gov is using private companies for this kind of work, anyway. These fellas are ex-military, got it. Ok, then what are the "currently" military guys for?
I believe the issue is that this sort of "outsourcing" allows the government to do things that they couldn't otherwise justify/get away with. Same thing as contracts between the fed.gov and credit reporting agencies and phone companies. If the feds were to compile databases on the purchasing and communication habits of a majority of Americans then there would be hell to pay + tons of law suits. If they merely pay companies to provide the same data though, then that's OK...
 
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