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The problem of Blackwater harks back to why we need government security contractors to begin with. To make it short, we need Blackwater because two US presidents and the US Congress gutted the US military.

Blackwater has done an excellent job in Iraq. The Shiites who run the Iraqi government are taking heat from Shiite terrorists whose pockets they are into.
 
Silent Army wrote:
Your knowledge is limited to what the media feeds you. You have a right to speak of war policies because I have been there! Easy to monday morning qaurterback anything from your La-z-Boy recliner after watching the evening news!

Excellent, Silent Army. "I was there." So what you're saying is that you know what is happening and who is pulling the strings of the occupation because you were standing 3'' in front of a bull elephant, and because you're so close to the elephant, of course it seems like a dire threat. To anyone who's in its territory. And you want the rest of us to believe that the U.S. government's efforts will have any effect whatsoever in preventing a determined elephant from traversing 6,000 miles of air/ocean, and killing a couple thousand civilians.

I guess we're all a bunch of chuckleheads, for "believing what the media tells us." I don't know that the media is usually to blame. Just the people who control and abuse it. The media told us that Santa Anna unwarrantedly attacked U.S. troops in Tejas. The media told us that Lincoln and the Army of the Lord was marchin' down to free the slaves, alleluia, and not going to war to secure taxes from those who dared believe in the Constitution of 1792. To force a "Union" made at gunpoint.

The media told us that the Spanish were continuing to commit atrocities in Cuba, and that those dastardly spanish blew up the U.S. Battleship Maine. (Remember the Maine!) The media told us that the baby-butchering, maiden-ravishing bloody-handed Huns were ravaging Belgium.

The media told us that Communists burned down the Reichstag.

The media told us that the U.S. was taken completely off guard on December 7th, 1941. The media failed to mention that the Dutch and Americans had broken the Japanese code. The media failed to mention that since 1933, every final exam in the Imperial Naval Academy had the question, "How would you execute a suprise attack on Pearl Harbor?" I have in my possession a letter written by a paratrooper's father, dated December 8th, stating, "We knew it was only a matter of time," then going on to state all the reasons they knew the attack was coming. (Empires don't like competition from other Empires.) The media told us that slaughering scores of thousands of Japanese women and children was "necessary." The media fails to note that MacArthur, Nimitz and Halsey all said it was a crock: that Japan was totally militarily defeated, and air and ocean superiority had been attained. Isn't war supposed to be a macrocosm of the principle of self-defense? Neutralize the threat, period? No... war is about glory for those who love it. (And for those who profit by it.)

The media told us that American warships were attacked by torpedo boats at the Tonkin Gulf.

The media told us that "Nasirah," an alleged nurse at a hospital and Kuwait City hospital, testified before the Senate, weeping, while describing how those horrible Iraqis had tossed dozens of babies out of their incubators onto the cold floor. They failed to mention (except for NBC) that "Nasirah" was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the U.S., and that she never worked at the hospital, was not near Kuwait when the Iraqis invaded, and that the entire event never happened to begin with. And now, the U.S. was "forced" to go to war with a country that was just about to use nuclear weapons against its neighbors and the U.S. The media relayed (from Bush) that... "The smoking gun could come in the form of a mushroom cloud," but that occupying a country the size of Tejas, filled with even 15% of a population that hates the foreign intruders' guts, is going to prevent terrorists from coming over here. Yes. That's how you get people to not commit terrorism. Kill everyone who could be a terrorist.

You say you support torture, which, according to George Washington in the Revolutionary War, would have rightfully gotten you court-martialled and executed. Do you think morality and human nature has somehow changed, sir? Would you be all right with American soldiers being tortured, because, "Hell, it's war?" Torture is the attempt to coerce the God-given free will of another human being. Even GOD refuses to coerce the free will with which he has endowed us. Who do you think you are, sir?

The blackwater element in our area was considered dangerous to themselves and others but they are there for money because you can't find a man raised to believe in God or country these days so you must wave the almighty dollar to bring in the leftovers! Who will you blame for the fact that your kids don't have a country to fight for?

Spare us the bravado. You didn't fight for the freedoms of Americans. Your being in Iraq did not make America any safer. The U.S. government can't even control who wanders across the Canadian and Mexican borders, yet you think that occupying a country that already isn't the number 1 fan of the the U.S. government is going to keep Americans safe? You, sir, are living in a nationalistic, testosterone-fueled dreamworld. I love my country. That means I love my neighbors and the land on which they live. I have zero respect for the foreign policies of the Federal government. If that makes me a "traitor" and "limp-wristed pinko," so be it. In addition to being a liberal pinko, I am 100% pro life from conception to a natural death. I also believe that being a mother is the most important job on the face of the earth, bar none. And that no man should ask another man for permission to defend his own life, or those of his family, with the best means in existence, including owning fully-auto M240G's, M1A1 Abrams, and RPG's. I believe that the War of Northern Aggression was not fought to free the slaves, but to make sure ALL men labored for the same Master. I believe that if you have a right to any of my money, you should come take it by violence yourself, and not be a coward and vote for someone to take it by proxy. I used to be a strict constructionist, too, before I realized that no tiger can be kept in a parchment and ink cage.

Terrorism happens. Terrorism happens because people hold ideals above the innocent lives of other people. You can fight terrorists in one of two ways: kill everyone who could possibly ever be a terrorist (and good luck with that one.) Or you can alter the circumstances behind why they hate other people. If you think that terrorists hate the U.S. government because its citizens are "Free," you're insane. Period. If this were the case, they would have attacked Canada, the Netherlands and Switzerland LONG before they ever touched the United States.

Yes. Terrorists are out there. So are flies that bite. You can spend your life wringing your hands about flies, and try to hunt every one down until you are exhausted and have no money left, or you can live your life and swat the flies whenever they manifest themselves. Terrorized? Not me. Terror is the reaction of those who have forgotten God, and try to make this life on earth their heaven. Again, if you've forgotten God, good luck with trying to make earth peaceful at the point of a gun. It's like trying to grab a fistful of water. It will perennially escape you.
 
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we don't have a military force large enough to take care of most situations "

"We do, but they are spread out all over the world...and they shouldn't be."

We do not a have large enough active duty force to protect this country and it's interests. In 1958 the DOD budget was over 50 percent of the total budget. Now the DOD budget is just a drop in the bucket.
 
To make it short, we need Blackwater because two US presidents and the US Congress gutted the US military.

We need Blackwater, better put the US Government needs Blackwater and the likes, because a US President (and accompanying Congress) plunged into a war we did not need to fight, with nothing but the standing military to back them up: and as a result the Military might be at war, but the Country as a whole is not. The People did not behest them to invade Iraq; we were just too misled and confused to put an end to the nonsense at the time. Try to instate a draft now and our occupation will be over by the end of the week.
 
Blakenz,
We need Blackwater, better put the US Government needs Blackwater and the likes, because a US President (and accompanying Congress) plunged into a war we did not need to fight,

Magnificent, Blake. Yet another person who is aware of the fact that we are not "parts" of the U.S. government, and still more importantly, that its policies are not necessarily the policies of even the majority of individuals living on this continent would like to see implemented.

-Sans Authoritas
 
I'm sorry, but Blackwater USA/Int is simply made up of war whore's. Mr. Prince and Cofer Black, Schmitz ect..ect.. are all former cold warriors who had one of there own (Rumsfeld) positioned up at the very top of the pentegon. Then with Jr's consent they privitised the war effort and there you go. As to there firepower, they have a hell of a lot more than Ak's and M-4's. They have full armored SUV's, helicopter gunships ect..ect.. My understanding is they were universally DESPISED in Iraq, particularlly by are boy's who have sacrificed so much only to watch these scum-bag war whores knock down a grand a day while basiclly remaining UNTOUCHABLE by the UCMJ and civil athorities. Yes last I checked they were the single largest private army on the planet, and they carry much baggage in the process, like the top tier of the company being made up of extreme right wing religious zealots who have there own agenda. They have thrived under the Bush administration and are currently involved with them in guarding and training former soviet republics that have LARGE OIL RESERVES "Mon Dieu" thats a surprise! Yeah But.......These dogs are loyal only to themselves and they have already operated within CONUS(see Katrina) and one only has to imagine how Hillary would like to utilise there unique talents..........
 
Your are right on, Denali. Once Paul Bremer gave Blackwater immunity in Iraq they were untouchable and every attack against the US or Blackwater (like the killings in Fallujah) have only resulted in more and bigger contracts. Now they market themselves as the largest private army in the world and if you need say, 20,000 soldiers they will be there for a price. It's horrible to think they will be used in the "War on Drugs" against US citizens but it's coming.
 
Why do we need a draft? How about we not declare war on countries that pose no threat to the United States? What about troops in countries that we are not at war with? For example Germany, Italy, the Phillipines, Okinawa, Cuba, and other countries? Why not send them over there rathr than pay contractors? Or how about just pull them home and defend the borders from attack.

I dont seem to remember Iraq attacking us.
 
Tecumseh, they were going to attack us in 5-10 years once they got a nuke, remember? ...or were they harboring Al Qaida? ...or did someone from Al Qaida visit Iraq?

I forgot, let me ask Rudy.
 
When Rudy gets back to you, please let me know. I thought they had something to do with 9/11. What about the WMDs?

Is it true they hate us for our freedoms? What about the Saudis who hijacked planes on 9/11? I thought they were our allies?

I am so scared right now. We should give up our guns, our right to privacy, our freedom of speech, power of the press, and any rights which prevent the government from finding those responsible for hurting the US.

Please. Allowing corporate mercenaries to fight our wars is bad precendent. Using them to do the work we cannot do is very bad. What happens when someone else is willing to pay these people to fight against the US? Perhaps rich Saudi princes? Or Russian government officials who want to control the pipelines into Afghanistan? Or the Chinese who seem to be purchasing all the US debt? They could just cash it in and start controlling the oil fields in the Middle East.

So many options, it is scary.
 
I think you'll find very few of we... what were the terms... dogs and whores... would be approachable to the idea of working counter to US interests.

In fact, I idly imagine that the results of such an approach would be highly graphic, very messy and totally non- High Road, so I'll leave it there. How many ex-military personnel do you know who would perform a treasonable act? Not many, I'd wager.

The paranoia & imagination displayed on this thread really makes me giggle, so please continue with the bile and abuse - it's highly amusing :D
 
It's not that impossible

Then I ask you to identify US interests. US interests at the moment include winning the "war on terror" by gaining control over Iraq, and other oil-bearing countries later. That is the ultimate goal. Over the course of the last two centuries, the founding fathers' notion that the US Government is by the people, for the people has faded away; nowadays our government protects its' own interests, which are synonymous with the interests of big business and war contractors.

You're right, those ex-military soldiers would not fight against US interests, but what if accomplishing those interests requires our laws to be suspended? History shows that when the line becomes blurred, even smart, rational men make plenty of mistakes. It's happened before.

It's not paranoia. In fact, I'm sure there will not be a revolution or a revolt or anything, policies will slowly shift back to where they should be, but you should never ignore the possibility, or laugh at those who do.
 
You might not believe this, but I'm not laughing at anyone who is concerned about government's intentions; I've lived in different parts of the world and this is the best place I've found.

However, civilians control the military and tell them where to go and when - but what do you do when you believe that those civilians have gotten out of line and invaded what you personally might consider to be a non-threatening country? We put a lot of faith in those elected officials - which is why I agree with the sentiment that those who actually want to be politicians never should be.

No, I laugh at those delicate souls who squeak about armoured SUVs, "more than AK's" (gasp, shock, horror, faint), and the best of all - "they make a grand a day! How dare they?!?" :rolleyes:

Wheeler44 said:
Wheeler44 asks: "how much?"
I said "not many" - I didn't say "none". I'll play along, though - tell us how many ex-military members have been jailed for treason, then? We'll make it simple - shall we say since after the end of WW2?

Now, seeing as you think it's apparently an easy task, a challenge for you - come and offer me money to betray my adopted country; let's see how high you can get before I er... reject your offer.
 
Most of these guys are ex u.s. military some served their in the Army and marines before working for Blackwater, Yes they make good money so what, thats their right, it doesn't make them whores, You go through what they do each day and you will realize they aren't paid to much. You are living in a fantasy world if you think solderers fight for honor, country, and GOD, they fight to keep themselves and their buddies alive until they can come home.
I wish they were paid what Blackwater pays their people they deserve it.
God Bless our troops and Blackwater.
 
"God Bless our troops and Blackwater."

+1 Say it again for me too.

We are in this mess in Iraq because a bunch of senators and representatives, both conservatives and liberals, put their names on the "do it" roster. Now a lot of them are either waffling or have gone back on their word and whine against the war: Guess the scumbags never considered the fact that folks could get killed and maimed in the war they authorized.
 
Why ANDYC, we have your word on that? A wise man once said "Beware the Military industrial complex" and certainly Dwight was talking about corporate sponsored warfare and corporate compensted warriors. You'd have us confund service vs war profiteering, may I add that it is more than just a little curious at how well Iraq shaped up when Blackwater shipped out! Men and women let us say like Pat Tillman and his breatheren exemplify service and sacrifice at tremendous personal cost, the men of orginization's such as Blackwater by definition are mercenary and as such, sacrifice nothing for they are contrators and simply follow the money trail from one place to the next..........................
 
we dont need Blackwater. We dont need to spend 360 bil a year on military defense spending (if you could call it defense anymore), we dont need more B-2s or more raptors, etc. What we need to do is train those we recently liberated to fix their own problems, even if those problems were caused by us in the first place, then get the hell out of that crapper of the world. The Middle-east is collectively a region doomed to drag itself further down into the sand than it already is, and there is nothing we can gain from our investing in it. After we got rid of Saddam Hussein, we should have been essentially done. But no, here we are, spending more money than ever, with more deployed forces than ever, and now making progress in training troops. Or at least, thats the impression I'm getting.
 
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