Blackwater, local sheriff, machine guns, and the law

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http://www.newsobserver.com/917/story/1116379.html

Blackwater using cache of AK-47s
Rifles given to sheriff in deal that skirts law

Joseph Neff, Staff Writer

The private military company Blackwater has found an unusual way to skirt federal laws that prohibit private parties from buying automatic weapons. Blackwater bought 17 Romanian AK-47s and 17 Bushmasters, gave ownership of the guns to the Camden County sheriff and keeps most of the guns at Blackwater's armory in Moyock.

Tiny Camden County -- population 9,271 -- is one of the most peaceful in North Carolina. In the last 10 years, there have been two murders, three robberies and seven rapes reported. The sheriff has just 19 deputies.

Sheriff Tony Perry said his department has never used the 17 AK-47s outside of shooting practice at Blackwater. None of his 19 deputies are qualified to use the AK-47s, Perry said, and his department's need for automatic weapons is "very minimal."

In the summer of 2005, Blackwater CEO Gary Jackson signed two agreements with Maj. Jon Worthington of the Sheriff's Office. Worthington has worked as a firearms instructor for Blackwater.

"Blackwater has financed the purchase of 17 Romanian AK-47 rifles for the Camden County Sheriff's Office for use by Sheriff's Office," the agreement says. "The Camden County Sheriff's Office will have unlimited access to these rifles for training and qualification, and state of emergency use." Worthington and Jackson also signed an agreement for the purchase of 17 Bushmaster XM15 E2S automatic rifles.

Why did Blackwater strike this deal with the Camden County sheriff?

"Because they needed guns, I imagine," Jackson said.

Jackson said Blackwater was a good corporate citizen that provided equipment and training, often free, to local law enforcement.

Did Camden County need more automatic weapons than deputies?

"They are very well equipped," Jackson said.

Perry said he can't remember who came up with the idea for the weapons deal. He said the county was trying to put together a SWAT team at the time.

Not the best choice?

The AK-47 would be a poor choice of weapon for a SWAT team, said John Gnagey, executive director of the National Tactical Officers Association, the national organization of SWAT officers.

As a combat weapon, the AK-47 is too large and powerful for SWAT teams, Gnagey said. It is rugged but relatively inaccurate.

"And there's the perception problem," Gnagey said. "Every terrorist attacking the U.S. is armed with AK-47s. "

Most SWAT teams use the H&K MP5 submachine gun or the Bushmaster M4, he said.

Under federal law, only government agencies -- military or law enforcement -- are allowed to acquire and possess automatic weapons. There is an exception for automatic weapons purchased before May 1986, when the law went into effect.

Firearms dealers are allowed, under strict conditions, to acquire an automatic weapon if they need to demonstrate the weapon to a police department or other government agency interested in buying the weapon.

Under federal law, it is illegal for a person to receive or possess an automatic weapon that is not registered to that person in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. The 34 weapons are registered to the Camden County sheriff. Seventeen AK-47s and five Bushmasters are stored and used at Blackwater. The other 12 Bushmasters are assigned to Camden County deputies, the sheriff said.

Weapons' use defended

Jackson, the Blackwater CEO, said he was not violating federal firearms law.

"I don't believe so," Jackson said. "As long as I have contracts, I can buy fully automatic weapons."

Jackson and Erik Prince, Blackwater's owner, said Blackwater used the AK-47s in training to familiarize police officers or members of the military with a foreign weapon that they might come across while making an arrest or on a battlefield.

Blackwater may also use the AK-47s to train military personnel from other countries who come to the United States for anti-terrorism training funded by the State Department, Prince and Jackson said.

"If the contract tells us to, we do it," Jackson said.

The agreement between Blackwater and the Sheriff's Office could be an illegal straw purchase, said Richard Myers, a law professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. A straw purchase, Myers said, is when one person fills out the federal firearms registration form to obtain a weapon for another person's use.

"I prosecuted several when I was with the U.S. attorney," Myers said. "If I were Blackwater's attorney, I would be concerned about whether this is a genuine purchase or a straw purchase."

Sheriff Perry said he did not consult a lawyer about the agreement until recently, when the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the FBI inquired about the arrangement. Last year two former Blackwater employees pleaded guilty to federal firearms violations. They were sentenced to probation on the condition that they assist federal investigators.

Perry said his department was cooperating fully.

"We're not a target," Perry said. "We may be a victim in it."
 
Awesome! I am calling my Sheriff's department tomorrow! I pay for the gun and keep it in my house and they can shoot it whenever they want. My brand new ... err their brand new... MP5 should be in the mail next week! What department would turn down a free weapon that they never use?

Now about some of these comments by:
John Gnagey, executive director of the National Tactical Officers Association, the national organization of SWAT officers.

As a combat weapon, the AK-47 is too large and powerful for SWAT teams, Gnagey said. It is rugged but relatively inaccurate.

Because an AK-47 is so much larger than an M4? or because the 7.62X39 is so much more powerful than .223? Everyone who does so at home knows that as soon as you convert your AK to FA it becomes a destructive device and way more deadly. That must be it.

"Every terrorist attacking the U.S. is armed with AK-47s. "

Except for the ones armed with pocket knives, machine guns, mortars, pistols, bombs, other rifles and ummm other weapons.
The agreement between Blackwater and the Sheriff's Office could be an illegal straw purchase, said Richard Myers, a law professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. A straw purchase, Myers said, is when one person fills out the federal firearms registration form to obtain a weapon for another person's use.

"I prosecuted several when I was with the U.S. attorney," Myers said. "If I were Blackwater's attorney, I would be concerned about whether this is a genuine purchase or a straw purchase."

Sheriff Perry said he did not consult a lawyer about the agreement until recently, when the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the FBI inquired about the arrangement.

That would be too bad if they all went to jail. Don't know in what universe that could happen, certainly not in the current one.
 
I would be very suprised if the 'agreement' were not really a demo letter (signed by the sheriff saying he wants a demonstration of full auto AKs) and the AKs are registered to Blackwater. The reporter's just trying to fill in the blanks but doesnt understand the subject.

Kharn
 
Getting around the NFA is old news - the State Department has been doing it with Blackwater for years and the Department of Energy has been doing it for nuclear power plant security for decades.

I want Blackwater immunity so I can get drunk shoot a presidential security guard and get away with it because nobody can figure out how to prosecute it.
 
Just another reporter who doesn't understand all manner of stuff about guns and law. Even the quote of law professor Myers on "straw purchase" is incorrect.

Doesn't matter what's been used in the U.S. by terrorists. Blackwater's training programs are for worldwide activities as well as domestic. Lotsa guns that aren't needed by LE agencies on any sort of daily basis, but nobody knows what might happen in some future. And, after all, if they're paid for and not eating, what difference does it make?

There's a reason I refer to most newsies as "mediahcrities".

About the only thing I see that's open to argument is the issue of supervision and control by the registered owner. Even there, however, it's a law enforcement agency delegating authority to a corporate entity which is in the business of arms training.
 
The argument a AK-47 is too powerful for a SWAT team doesn't make sense.

It is quite common for a SWAT team to use Remington Model 700 rifles, in .308 Winchester or even 7mm Magnum, for hostage situations.

Rifles in those calibers are far more powerful than the 7.62 x 39 cartridge (which is roughly equivalent to a .30/30 Winchester cartridge).

The big disadvantage, with the AK-47, is it lacks accuracy. Typically, 3 to 4 inch groups at 100 yards are the norm. That is unsatisfactory for the precision shooting required in a hostage situation.
 
I view it as a form of corruption, any time certain citizens get special treatment others don't get - I don't think the distinction is difficult to understand.
 
...Department of Energy has been doing it for nuclear power plant security for decades.


The DoE is a federal agency and its security forces can possess weapons
like any other federal agency. The head of the DoE was appointed by
the President and confirmed by the Senate. I would imagine if there are
some complaints this gives the President and the Hill a certain level of
snap-our-fingers-and-you'll-answer-our-questions-pronto kind of response.

Blackwater is a privately-owned entity. IIRC the owner of Blackwater
asserted at recent congressional hearings that he didn't have to disclose
certain aspects of how he did business: "We're a private company, and
there's a key word there -private."

I doubt Samuel Bodman (Secretary of DoE) can do that without losing his job.

Also, if I set up a corporate entity that owned some class 3 weapons (as
has been discussed here numerous times on THR) and pulled that kind of
flippant response during any kind of investigation (financial or otherwise)
how much do you want to bet my corporate entity's days would be numbered?
Especially if 99% of that corporation's money came from the government in
the first place?
 
So the police get full auto guns, private "security" contractors get full auto guns, but a citizen who wants to go through all the legal requirements can't purchase one?

Am I the only one who finds this absurd?
 
absurd is overblowing it; it's just ass-backwards, unfair, and ridiculous.
 
Maybe I'm just confused, but why would Blackwater even need to claim the whole "we have them for training/demo" thing? I thought that goverment security contactors were exempted from the NFA and '86 ban and could have and use whatever they wanted, just like the government, both fed, state, and local. As long as the guns are owned by Blackwater itself, and not an individual, isnt it just like when a police department buys them to use, as they are also exempted?

What am I missing here?
 
jrfoxx:
Contractors are not yet exempt, that exemption is in the ATF reform bill currently in Congress. Blackwater does not do nuclear plant security or other jobs that traditionally get access to weaponry courtesy of Uncle Sam.

Kharn
 
I would be very suprised if the 'agreement' were not really a demo letter (signed by the sheriff saying he wants a demonstration of full auto AKs) and the AKs are registered to Blackwater. The reporter's just trying to fill in the blanks but doesnt understand the subject.

Hmmmmmmmm... maybe that was the driving force behind:

I have had two discussions with my examiner this week . As I understand it a meeting was held on Tues (this week). The meeting was regarding what to do about LE post sample guns. it was held with the examiners by superiors .

Effective immediately all requests to the agency for demo post guns will be on law enforcement letterhead with the chief law enforcement officer being the one to attest to why more than one gun is needed is,not the dealer .

This means the chief LE officer will have to explain that if multiple guns are needed for testing , he/she will have to explain why the multiples are needed such as barrell overheating , gun malfunction , etc.. The request needs to correlate roughly with a list of the number of people who will attend the demo.

The term multiple guns will include guns already in stock . ie - if you have one in stock and try to get some more of the same model , the above applies.

If a dealer has no guns of a particular model and wants one gun , he/she may list the reasons such as overheating , malfunctions etc .

I have been buying/selling LE guns quite a bit lately . I faxed in paperwork Wednesday for multiple gun transfer with dealer explanations and a letterhead requesting demo on LE officer letterhead requesting such. It is being returned rejected as the chief's letter did not include the above stipulations.

Thought I would pass this along my friends.

Source: Subguns.com
 
Contractors are not yet exempt, that exemption is in the ATF reform bill currently in Congress.
Ah. that explains where I got the idea from. I knew I read it somewhere, but didnt realize it was in a proposed bill/law, not something already passed. Makes sense now what may be going on here....
 
i wish blackwater COULD purchase whatever automatic weapons they desired....without all the subterfuge. i also wish i could easily purchase and afford automatic weapons to ensure my safety in the face of such rapidly growing and shady organization. the federal government's future imperial stormtroopers.
 
So if I understand this right, even if one is a class 3 dealer there are a lot
of restrictions on having "too many" post-86 dealer samples on hand for one
type of weapon? OK, I can see why Blackwater would want a way around
this. However, why doesn't Blackwater just do all the federal paperwork and
become a manufacturer of M4s and an importer of foreign weapons? I mean
it's not like they don't have enough money and lawyers to go through this
process. And, given their politcal connections they should be able to front
load and fast track the entire application process.

However, would this open them to a new level of scrutiny by other federal
agencies? "Hi, I'm Agent Smith and I'll be wandering around the compound
today, checking your paperwork, and questioning anyone I want. If you
don't comply with any part of this today your manufacturing and importing
licenses will be suspended. Don't worry --you'll get a hearing. And, Judge
Brown really likes to have all his questions answered."

Just seems like the kind of rules anyone else would have to comply with, right?
 
Thin Black, The DOE security folks are private contractors. Last I checked, it was mainly Wackenhut.
 
"Jackie Treehorn draws a lot of water in this town, Lebowski. And, you don't draw any." Malibu Sheriff in The Big Lebowski

Remember, these guys were geared up and on patrol in Katrina. They're in tight. Why would you be surprised they can skate under the radar, or in plain sight with regard to NFA or anything else?
 
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