flyingdeserteagle
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are you talking home defense or personal defense?
never mind; in one it's a bad idea
in the other its worse
never mind; in one it's a bad idea
in the other its worse
Bluff Gun???
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weisse52
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NO, As others have said, this could result in dead wife. My wife is not so inclined to use a gun either.
She is comfortable with OC spray, and a Lousiville Slugger. Not for me, but no use trying to "make" her do what I would do. She has gone to several classes and is capable of using a gun. Just does not want to do so. I would rather she not attempt to bluff anyone.
She is comfortable with OC spray, and a Lousiville Slugger. Not for me, but no use trying to "make" her do what I would do. She has gone to several classes and is capable of using a gun. Just does not want to do so. I would rather she not attempt to bluff anyone.
5knives
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soonerboomer,
Imagine the following;
It's late morning or early afternoon, your wife is home alone. Maybe doing up the breakfast and lunch dishes.
She doesn't hear the 16 year old burglar knock and try the front door , she looks up sees him coming down the hallway and runs for the den where her disabled handgun is, grabs it up and points it at him!
Warning him that she has a gun and will shoot if he doesn't leave immediately.
Unfortunately, the punk scored a nice loaded .38 two blocks away today, and he's feeling mighty big and invincible. He's had a lot of practice with video games and toy guns and knows he's the baddest dude around.
What do you think that home invader is going to do?
It's a long way back to that front door, in his mind at least.
And he IS the baddest Dude around, in his mind at least.
Trying to Bluff with a non functional weapon is one of the poorest ideas you ever had !
But don't feel bad, other folks have had the same thought, some have acted on it, and some of those have lived long enough to regret it, others may have but unfortunately we'll never know.
It just happens to be a very bad idea!
Several better ideas have been pointed out already!
A large, loud and protective dog is a very good idea where firearms are not appropriate.
Good Luck!
Regards,
Imagine the following;
It's late morning or early afternoon, your wife is home alone. Maybe doing up the breakfast and lunch dishes.
She doesn't hear the 16 year old burglar knock and try the front door , she looks up sees him coming down the hallway and runs for the den where her disabled handgun is, grabs it up and points it at him!
Warning him that she has a gun and will shoot if he doesn't leave immediately.
Unfortunately, the punk scored a nice loaded .38 two blocks away today, and he's feeling mighty big and invincible. He's had a lot of practice with video games and toy guns and knows he's the baddest dude around.
What do you think that home invader is going to do?
It's a long way back to that front door, in his mind at least.
And he IS the baddest Dude around, in his mind at least.
Trying to Bluff with a non functional weapon is one of the poorest ideas you ever had !
But don't feel bad, other folks have had the same thought, some have acted on it, and some of those have lived long enough to regret it, others may have but unfortunately we'll never know.
It just happens to be a very bad idea!
Several better ideas have been pointed out already!
A large, loud and protective dog is a very good idea where firearms are not appropriate.
Good Luck!
Regards,
OP
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soonerboomer
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Well, the THR folk seem to have come to a consensus on this idea.
No worries - I have not, nor will do this. I'm just thinking out loud, and wanted to see what kinda response this might evoke. Bad ideas evidently stir the pot quite a bit. =)
No worries - I have not, nor will do this. I'm just thinking out loud, and wanted to see what kinda response this might evoke. Bad ideas evidently stir the pot quite a bit. =)
I wouldn't say it's as bad as everyone claims, but it really isn't your best option.
Get her one of those monster maglites and a can of pepper spray, or show her this:
Cornered Cat
I imagine she'll change her mind.
Get her one of those monster maglites and a can of pepper spray, or show her this:
Cornered Cat
I imagine she'll change her mind.
theken206
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you bluff in card games, not with your life IMO
SpecialKalltheway
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try many more classes for her to see if you can change her into a shooter, if not then no way no how is a bluff gun a good idea.
Sunray
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"...what do you think about a "bluff gun"?..." There ain't no bluffing with firearms. If your wife isn't prepared to shoot, buy a dog.
Think in terms of a cop running into a kid/criminal, in the dark, with a toy gun that looks like a real gun. Kid/criminal gets shot.
Think in terms of a cop running into a kid/criminal, in the dark, with a toy gun that looks like a real gun. Kid/criminal gets shot.
The Lone Haranguer
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In a word,
NO!!!
If you're not willing to shoot when the time comes, don't bother with a gun. This is where all the stories of "the gun will be taken away and used against you" come from. You would be better off with running shoes.
NO!!!
If you're not willing to shoot when the time comes, don't bother with a gun. This is where all the stories of "the gun will be taken away and used against you" come from. You would be better off with running shoes.
woad_yurt
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People who prey on ther people have often done it before they find you or yours. They may be somewhat experienced at reading faces. If your wife is too timid to shoot a real gun, that timidity will probably show in her face when the heat is on. A dummy gun is a horrible idea on a few other levels, too.
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KarenTOC
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OK, I'm kind of like your wife – klutzy and with no confidence in my ability with a gun.
I do have a gun, relatively recently acquired, and I'm not afraid of the gun itself - only of my own incompetence. I don't think I'm at the point where it would be safe to have a loaded gun around. I enjoy range shooting, but I don't yet have any formal training. (I want to have lots of training, but my work schedule and travel requirements have slowed down the process.)
The other night I had a situation - nothing major, just kind of unnerving. Some kids accidentally threw a baseball through my ground-floor apartment window, leaving me with a huge gaping man-sized hole right at knee level that couldn't be fixed until morning. All that was between me and the outdoors was a thin sheet of plastic duct-taped to the frame to keep out the weather. My neighborhood is decent, but not crime-free. My main concern was an unplanned crime-of-opportunity, rather than a full-scale home invasion.
I didn't want a loaded gun on my nightstand, but I wanted protection. So I put my unloaded revolver on the nightstand, opened up the cylinder (to save a step), placed it in easy reach, and put a speed loader with defense rounds right next to it. My plan was to grab the gun and load it fast if the need arose. Always assuming I had warning, and could wake up fast enough.
I realize that's not the ideal solution. But I felt it was the best compromise at this time. I'm one of those folks who take a while to wake up - can't figure out what that horrible noise is every morning or how to stop it (alarm clock), can't figure out what day it is or even if it's morning or night for a few seconds. Given that degree of wooly-headedness, having a loaded gun on the nightstand just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
I have seriously considered the possibility that I'm not one of those people who should use a gun for self defense. However, I'll save the decision until after I've had some formal training.
I do have a gun, relatively recently acquired, and I'm not afraid of the gun itself - only of my own incompetence. I don't think I'm at the point where it would be safe to have a loaded gun around. I enjoy range shooting, but I don't yet have any formal training. (I want to have lots of training, but my work schedule and travel requirements have slowed down the process.)
The other night I had a situation - nothing major, just kind of unnerving. Some kids accidentally threw a baseball through my ground-floor apartment window, leaving me with a huge gaping man-sized hole right at knee level that couldn't be fixed until morning. All that was between me and the outdoors was a thin sheet of plastic duct-taped to the frame to keep out the weather. My neighborhood is decent, but not crime-free. My main concern was an unplanned crime-of-opportunity, rather than a full-scale home invasion.
I didn't want a loaded gun on my nightstand, but I wanted protection. So I put my unloaded revolver on the nightstand, opened up the cylinder (to save a step), placed it in easy reach, and put a speed loader with defense rounds right next to it. My plan was to grab the gun and load it fast if the need arose. Always assuming I had warning, and could wake up fast enough.
I realize that's not the ideal solution. But I felt it was the best compromise at this time. I'm one of those folks who take a while to wake up - can't figure out what that horrible noise is every morning or how to stop it (alarm clock), can't figure out what day it is or even if it's morning or night for a few seconds. Given that degree of wooly-headedness, having a loaded gun on the nightstand just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
I have seriously considered the possibility that I'm not one of those people who should use a gun for self defense. However, I'll save the decision until after I've had some formal training.
Phydeaux642
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Get her a Taser and/or a Kimber Guardian Angel. The other idea is just a really bad one.
Ed Ames
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Karen,
If it isn't an intrusive question... what difference did you perceive between a ready-to-load gun and a loaded gun?
I kind of like, for SD guns, storing them action open so you can clearly see if they are loaded without touching. That doesn't work with all types of guns but, well, I think that's a reasonable factor in choosing a SD gun. It works great w. most revolvers. My reason is't that I perceive it as safer because two actions are required to fire (close action, pull trigger) but because it is much easier to see. Obvious is its own good.
A friend tells the story of, due to a neighborhood scare, loading his gun and setting it by his bedside. Months later, well after the scare was over, during a bit of an emotional outburst (I gather he was an early teen at the time) he ran into his bedroom, slammed the door, and saw his rifle sitting there cocked. He let out an angry, "what damnfool left this thing cocked so the spring would wear out," (they don't, by the way) and shot a hole in his parent's roof "decocking" it. I can see that argument for not leaving a loaded gun around until you are confident in your "all guns are loaded all the time" mindset.
If it isn't an intrusive question... what difference did you perceive between a ready-to-load gun and a loaded gun?
I kind of like, for SD guns, storing them action open so you can clearly see if they are loaded without touching. That doesn't work with all types of guns but, well, I think that's a reasonable factor in choosing a SD gun. It works great w. most revolvers. My reason is't that I perceive it as safer because two actions are required to fire (close action, pull trigger) but because it is much easier to see. Obvious is its own good.
A friend tells the story of, due to a neighborhood scare, loading his gun and setting it by his bedside. Months later, well after the scare was over, during a bit of an emotional outburst (I gather he was an early teen at the time) he ran into his bedroom, slammed the door, and saw his rifle sitting there cocked. He let out an angry, "what damnfool left this thing cocked so the spring would wear out," (they don't, by the way) and shot a hole in his parent's roof "decocking" it. I can see that argument for not leaving a loaded gun around until you are confident in your "all guns are loaded all the time" mindset.
jaholder1971
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Next time you envision this idea envision a dead, raped, tortured wife or a combination thereof. She's better off with pepper spray or even a fire extinguisher.
A phony gun to bluff with? Monumentally Stupid!!!!
A phony gun to bluff with? Monumentally Stupid!!!!
Deanimator
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If somebody attacks me, I pull my Glock 19 and say, "Stop or I'll shoot you." and he doesn't stop, I shoot him.
What does your wife do?
What does your wife do?
KarenTOC
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Ed Ames said:
I saw the ready-to-load gun as a kind of fail-safe against my own incompetance. I didn't trust myself to wake up and grab a loaded gun safely. I big part of that comes from the fact that I'm a heavy sleeper, and usually take a while to come out of my sleep-stupor, sometimes as much as 30-40 seconds. I can easily imagine myself grabbing my gun incorrectly and shooting something I don't want to shoot. If the gun is unloaded, I can't accidentally shoot it if I grab it wrong. My thinking at the time was that in the time it takes me to figure out what's up with the gun I'll be awake enough to load it.
Before I got an alarm clock with a good snooze feature, I used to have to put it across the room so that I had to get out of bed to turn it off - otherwise I'd roll back over and go to sleep. I considered doing that with a loaded gun. I could stumble stupidly out of bed and go retrieve the gun. By the time I got there I'd be awake enough to handle it properly. I considered that, but I was afraid I'd forget where I put it.
I think a small gun safe on my nightstand would solve the problem - it would be enough of a barrier to get me through the stupor stage. If I had one, I'd keep a loaded gun in it. The ready-to-load gun on the nightstand was kind of an emergency, one-off, less-than-ideal response to an immediate need.
WardenWolf
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Well, in my experience, Karen, adrenaline does a good job of waking you up quickly. When there's an emergency, and you know it, your head will clear quickly.
KarenTOC
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Mike, I sure hope you're right. Happily, I've never had to test that theory
Officers'Wife
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Quote from my father- 'Should the time come you need to pull a weapon, be it sidearm, knife or club, that is the time when you must be prepared to use that weapon to inflict serious damage. '
Second quote from my father- 'I got this old by living this long.'
Your call
Selena
Second quote from my father- 'I got this old by living this long.'
Your call
Selena
Ed Ames
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There are some people with very good reason not to have accessible weapons nearby while they sleep. I have seen someone I know for a fact doesn't own a gun wake up in a panic to get the gun from under their pillow so they could shoot an imagined attacker... and it was supposedly a fairly common thing for them. It's kinda scary and it has nothing to do with gender or being a klutz.
Beyond that... well, know thyself but I really think keeping emergency procedures simple can be a lifesaver.
Beyond that... well, know thyself but I really think keeping emergency procedures simple can be a lifesaver.
Ed Ames
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There are some people with very good reason not to have accessible weapons nearby while they sleep. I have seen someone I know for a fact doesn't own a gun wake up in a panic to get the gun from under their pillow so they could shoot an imagined attacker... and it was supposedly a fairly common thing for them. It's kinda scary and it has nothing to do with gender or being a klutz.
Beyond that... well, know thyself but I really think keeping emergency procedures simple can be a lifesaver.
Beyond that... well, know thyself but I really think keeping emergency procedures simple can be a lifesaver.
ChCx2744
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As a substitute for giving her a non-working weapon, you should buy her some high SHU OC spray or a nice compact stun device. If you really think a gun would be a good choice for her, then I am a personal believer in "money should be no object" when picking out the right gun for her. I forgot who on this forum's signature line I read it from, but it linked to an avid female gun owner and shooter's website that gave all kinds of advice (from a WOMAN'S perspective) for helping your female loved one pack heat. I'm sorry I can not remember the link off of the top of my head, but I remember it was like "a woman's point of view" or something with a pink background and maroonish-brown letters. A bluff gun sounds like a very dangerous idea in both the sense that there is always that chance the BG will ignore or read her bluff and harm her. I'm sure you would rather spend some money on a proper weapon along with teaching and explaining to her what she needs to know to defend herself with a gun. If she is willing to carry a "bluff gun," I'm sure she will at LEAST listen to what you have to say about carrying a functional gun. Try talking to her about it and if she refuses to the very last statement, then you can't change the way she thinks. She is a grown woman and is capable of choosing her own methods of self defense.
NobleSniper
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My wife can load and shoot anything I own. SHe has her preferances and knows exactly what is loaded and unlaoded at all times .
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