Bush: Can't we all just get along?

[Biker]

RealGun...

Your opinion is stated as fact. Bush wants to grant virtual amnesty to 11,000-20,000 people here illegaly. When Reagan did it in '86, it caused more problems than it solved.
What makes you think that it'll be work better this time?
Biker

 

[Biker]

RealGun...

It would take awhile to round up and deport 11 million people, but it *could* be done. While this was happening, it would send a message to future wannabe border violaters.
Biker

 

[longeyes]

The longer we say we can do nothing because there are too many here, the bigger the number will be. I don't believe there are too many to deal with. This is where American ingenuity comes in.

If we'd sent all of the Katrina refugees to Mexico City what would Mexico have done?

 

[longeyes]

The longer we say we can do nothing because there are too many here, the bigger the number will be. I don't believe there are too many to deal with. This is where American ingenuity comes in.

If we'd sent all of the Katrina refugees to Mexico City what would Mexico have done?

Our problem is that we have politicians who play to lose, deliberately--for US to lose, that is.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I don't doubt that a comprehensive plan is needed, but at the outset you are not going to round up and deport 11 million people.

I didnt say anything about rounding anyone up. I am talking about Bush's proposal.

How would Bush's proposal eliminate illegal immigration? No one will (or can) answer that. Guest workers will still cost more than illegals, so employers will still hire illegals preferentially.

 

[longeyes]

You know the answer: Stop the employers from employing. By whatever disincentive is needed.

 

[RealGun]

Bush wants to grant virtual amnesty to 11,000-20,000 people here illegaly.

Not true. He proposes allowing workers to step forward and declare themselves, one by one, and get a work permit. He also proposes phasing them out (6 years) to soften the inflationary pressures, giving the economy time to adjust without undue loss of confidence by the stock market. The reason he may seem soft on immigration is because he is responsible for maintaining an environment for a strong economy. I welcome his conservative approach. Why does it have to be fixed overnight?

I expect where he would disappoint would be in not supporting withholding citizenship from children born of illegal aliens. That gives those parents an unfair advantage for being allowed to stay, and they know it.

 

[longeyes]

Bush a conservative? What you smokin', man?

 

[Waitone]

A guest worker program MAYbe a reasonable policy to implement. . . . . but not right now. Two reasons leap to mind: First, anything (I repeat, anything) sounding kinda sorta like amnestyworkprogramvisaforlabor will instantly be interpreted as "come hither." It has already happened when Bush mouthed off in December of 2004. Second, a guest worker program right now makes as much sense as the Corp of Engineers pumping water out of New Orleans before the levees were repaired.

Problem Solving 101
--Stop feeding the problem
--Define the nature and scope of the problem
--Assemble potential solutions
--Pick the best solution under the circumstances
--Implement the solution
--Check for effectiveness
-- Reassess as required

Right now our elected officials are in a position to instantly make the situation far worse very quickly with a stupid decision. My fear is they will act in their own best interests (political and financial) rather than the best interest of the country. And yes, I am accusing some members of corruption and treason.

 

[longeyes]

With anywhere from 10 to 30 million illegals already here, the sensible policy would be to freeze any additional immigration--and certainly illegal immigration--in its tracks to allow time for a thorough and open analysis of the situation. We do not need more immigrant workers, under any rubric, and we certainly don't need two or three million a year of the unskilled variety. We also need more than a meaningless--as far as I'm concerned--"high tech" wall at the southern border. Detection isn't the issue; interdiction is the issue.

Congress and the President are hell-bent are opening new veins before they have stanched the blood flow from the existing trauma. We would call this insanity if we didn't already by now understand that has been the deliberate policy of the last two decades, now bearing its awful fruit.

 

[PRCalDude]

Younger guy wants to weigh in...

More laws aren't needed, just enforcement of existing ones. The government has ceased to be a terror to those who do wrong. Only law abiding citizens are punished with taxes, restrictive laws, etc, while the illegals do whatever they want. The fact that I had 500,000 illegals claiming they're "indigenous" and not illegals about 10 minutes from my house is a little unsettling to me. It was hillarious hearing the Mexican students shout down the Mexican mayor, (who thought he had authority with them because he placated them), when he told them to go back to school. The government around here is pretty soon going to collapse under it's own weight. We're due for more riots anyway.

 

[Manedwolf]

Bush a conservative? What you smokin', man?

Agreed, there. My definition of conservative still includes "small government" and "fiscal conservatism".

We've been creating Department of Redundancy Departments and spending like a drunk sailor in port for his entire tenure, with him not vetoing a single bloated pork-stuffed spending bill.

 

[seeker_two]

It's either gonna be the Rubicon or the Styx. I'll take the Rubicon.

Before this is over, there will be plenty crossing both rivers before we retake the Rio Grande...


Realgun:

 

[RealGun]

seeker_two

 

[seeker_two]

seeker_two

That post was more logical. But for your other posts, I still have to say .....


.... and maybe add a & ....


.... and a whole lotta :banghead: ....

 

[RealGun]

What is logical? What is illogical? A different opinion? Something not habitually negative? You are going to need more than emoticons to make your point.

 

[seeker_two]

Bush is right about how to deal with immigration and has been all along. I haven't heard one idea that sounded a bit better and any more realistic.

Then you haven't been paying attention.
Biker

Bush and "realistic" are like water and oil. To borrow from George Bernard Shaw, his policies are the triumph of hope over experience.

 

[308win]

So the right to keep and bear arms does, in fact, come from the federal government of the United States?

The RTKBA comes from the Bill of Rights Ammendment to the Constitution and not from the federal government. In fact, the Constitution sets forth the powers of the federal government and not vice versa but that little nicety seems to have been buried in the last 200 years.

In 2106, America will be a mirror image of Mexico and not a shot shall have been fired to effect this outcome. All of the irate posters on this forum will be remembered as the citizen soldiers with the RTKBA who stood by and did nothing but engage in flame wars on THR while these events were set in motion and the RTKBA in fact was nothing more than a sop to the citizenery so they would exercise their inalienable right to play with their toys while their country was taken from them.