CA, MA, NJ, CT, NY, MD residents.. defend your state!

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All these post and there's still nuthin good about Jersey... :what:

Ain't that the truth.


No CCW :cuss: unless you know God...
Permit REQUIRED for EVERY hangun :barf:
Fee to get nics check :banghead:
No rifle mags beyond 15 rounds :fire:
No pre-ban and STILL a stinkin' list of "taboo rifles"



Ugh
 
About the only good thing I can say re. California & firearm laws, is that they aren't 100% banned here yet. :scrutiny:

On the bright side, it's mid-January and 72 degs outside...
 
Lets see what can I say that good about the PRK??? Well it is a calm Sunday AM and the shooting of two officers in the town next door last Saturday night is over. One Sergeant dead and one officer wounded. The AWOL marine gang-banger is dead thanks to alert SWAT and other officers that got him as he was about to re-engage them.

There was a major sweep last week and numerous gang members were hauled in by a LEO task force that had been getting evidence for some time. There were local, county,state and federal officers in the taskforce. There were 46 weapons taken from the BG's. Their lawyers will certainly do their evil best to get them back on the street soon. :fire:

The AWB Sunset did nothing good for the PRK in my estimation. The state is adding the .50 caliber rifle to the list and we still are stuck with 10 round mags unless you bought the firearm pripr to the ban. :banghead:

If my HMO would ever move to nevada I would be there also. we are having home-invasion type robberies in the Central Valley and I feel compelled to carry at home as well as anywhere else I go. I have a CCW but in the PRK you use that at your own risk IMO!
 
I am moving up to Illinois later this year.

And you're in Alabama now? Yikes, I cannot imagine leaving the warm embrace of a red state to come to this cesspool. What part of the state are you relocating to?
 
On the bright side, it's mid-January and 72 degs outside...

Yea, BUT :D

But, you get good weather in NV and AZ also. I was out yesterday (nice sunny day) shooting my LEO only Colt AR, my FA Uzi, my series I Kimber, a friends M16 and other stuff not even allowed in FeinsteinLand. After 47 years in CA you couldn't pay me to come back.

Besides, we need more conservatives here in Clark Co. as it did vote for Kerry. Not by a big margin, but there's way too many liberals here. Come on down! :)

4V50 Gary, don't forget I-15 east to Vegas! :D
 
After reading about some of the places that you all live, it reminds me that things aren't that bad in the Northeast.

MA:
1) permit to carry concealed is generally available. There are some towns and cities where it just won't happen.
2) once you do get your permit, the state Attorney General restricts what handguns you can own
3) didn't the fee jump from $25 for four years to $50 or more?

VT:
1) have pulse and pass the background check? you can buy just about anything. Not sure about Class III type stuff though. NH is close by though and they are more lenient with the law abiding citizen.

CT:
1) rather weird situation where the local PD does the work of running your background check only to make you go to the State PD to get your actual license and the State PD offices that issue the permit are few and not open when most people are off from work.

Still, given the problems that MA and CT (RI, NH and ME too probably), have, it sure is a far sight better than Illinois, NJ and CA. NY too for that matter in that a MA or CT permit is valid through the state. Once you have a permit, you can generally purchase as much as you want without having to get a purchase permit etc.

Sure New England isn't a shooter's paradise as a whole, but it sure isn't the hell of parts of NY, NJ, IL etc.

I'd like to see some more work at reciprocity amoung states as more states are requiring some training class before a concealed carry license is issued.

-Jim
 
I've got a feeling this thread just gave the antis a shopping list of "freedom loopholes" they've overlooked in the states where they've been the most successful. They aren't intelligent enough to figure these things out for themselves.
 
Good things about CA?

Let me think ...

Well, the climate and the wide range of beautiful scenery ... :neener:

Gotta give me more time if you want me to think of anything else. :scrutiny:

I'm planning to leave this state when I retire.
 
New Jersey

About the ONLY good things I can think of for NJ:

1. FID card is good for life (unless you move) and you can buy as many rifles as you want.

2. You can get new hi-cap pistol mags up to 15 rounds.

3. Any gun that's not specifically listed on the AW list is legal, so any new design will be available. (Robinson M96, XCR, Beretta CX4 etc.)

Other than that the only other decent thing is down here in South Jersey gun ownership isn't looked upon quite as badly as up in the North near NYC.
 
I'd like to see some more work at reciprocity amoung states as more states are requiring some training class before a concealed carry license is issued.

I agree with that one, Eskimo Jim. I never like the fact that I can't carry into Mass or New York, places where I probably would require a CCW more than I do here in the boonies.

BTW, ever shoot at Quaker Hill? We have a great club, it is in Oakdale. Where are you located?
 
Kali is a big state, so some of the things said do not apply statewide. There is only one National Forest area left in San Diego where you can shoot free (oops, not free - need park pass $5/day, $30/annual). The rest have been closed due to residential development too nearby.

You can get a CCW in San Diego, but only if you have "good cause". Self-defense and 2A do not count, they say so up front. CCW can be limited as to time and place if you use "carry large sums or jewelry" as a reason. CCW is expensive (mandatory training BEFORE YOU APPLY plus $150 and it is good for one year. Then you must do it all over, the training, the prints, the justification, the 3 letters from non-relatives about your character (that must live in the SAME COUNTY in which you are applying).

There is no license to OWN guns, but there is one to BUY them. It is a joke test and not expensive, but it IS a license.

Indoor shooting range near work is $300.00 a year, just because it is the only one remotely close.

Oh yes, the I-40, I-10 and I-8 all lead to Arizona. That's a good thing. Someday...
 
Speaking FOR California

I was born in Wisconsin, my friends, one of those wonderful Boy-Scout, every-kid-is-raised-with-a-gun, Hunting-by-12, states. Even though it was common to carry a BB gun on the city streets and shoot it in the city park, we all knew it was illegal to do so -- nobody bothered to enforce the law is all. (The Chief of police lived a block from my house. HIS kids were just like the rest of us)
My class-mates duck-hunted on the way to school in the AM, and half the high school class (including the basketball coach) were nowhere to be found in deer hunting season.
Yet my independent free-men hunting state voted Liberal in 2004 and is one of the last few that has NO CCW permissions of any kind.

I'm getting a little tired of all the ---- errrr- "Grousing" about California.

There's a lot of truth to the complaints about this state. The gun shows have been emasculated, the "roster of approved handguns" is something to fear, and I surely don't like the "What kind of IMAGE are we sending people" yowling by most of our elected representatives,

but California isn't the WORST in the land, not by a long shot.

I bought 7 handguns and 5 rifles in 2004. As there are 2 of that pile I haven't found the time to take to the range yet, I'd say the 30-day-per-handgun law doesn't have to be a huge stumbling block to happiness. (I could have bought 12 --- my problem was selection and $$$, not permits.)

I buy my guns/ammo from any of 5 favorite places within 20 minutes of home in the East Bay, and have begun checking out others in the West and South bay area. Bought Ammo on the web and had it delived to my door without signature.

I'm going to 3 ranges in East SF Bay regularly (again, 20 minute commute max) , and that's only because I haven't bothered to check out at least 4 more I can access with ease. Each of these three has it's good points, but all are frequented by nice people who like what they do and who shoot responsibly. Each has various clubs with their own specialties active in the area. I plan to join some of those clubs when the weather gets nicer.

As everybody knows, Weather is one of our "specialities". The outdoor ranges have shirtsleeve, no bugs, no sweaty-muggy stew-in-your-own-steam LOVELY weather 9 months of the year, and drippy/rainy the other 3.

Please to remember, people, that 45% of this state voted red in the last election. 66% voted to re-elect Barbara Boxer,(Oh the SHAME of it!!) but when I talk to "average person", only a few are gun-fearing liberals. The VAST MAJORITY are: 1) shooters themselves, although perhaps not all that public about it, 2) people who WERE shooters --- and sound interested in possible renewal, and 3) the curious ones.

I worry about the runaway freaking liberal representation we have in Sacramento, and I'm downright embarrassed at what we send to Washington, but here in our state we also have GOA, RKBA, Jim March -- and Arnie -- doing what is possible to offset them and to bring a breath of sanity back.
We already have several counties that are VERY reasonable about CCW and a few that are essentially "Shall issue". (unfortunately, they are a lot more than 20 minutes away from here, sigh!!!) These people offer hope we will have a state-wide mandatory CCW law one of these fine days.

Note; The Arnie-bashers don't tell you that he saved our butts by vetoing 3 of 4 nasty anti-gun laws our elected representatives passed, and did not veto the 4th. I'm not clear on how this made him the bad guy of the gun-world.

Seems to me our responsibility is to get decent laws passed in the first place, not to criticize somebody for failing to veto everything the people we elect choose to put on his desk. Also seems to me we don't live up to that responsibility by complaining how we suffer on forums and yowling that we should just leave.

Fud.
 
New York

Took me 3 months to get my permit in Steuben County. And I carry everytime I go to Rochester or anywhere else in monroe county :neener: New York isn't so bad. We have more pistol packin' people here than any other state in the union if the info I saw a while back was accurate. Of course, you need a pistol permit to just buy one in NY, so the carrying aspect is kinda moot. Oh well, no waiting periods here, no limits on the number of guns you can buy, no special papers for ammo. I just wish we were class III friendly...

edit... On the note of reciprocity. Yeah, I think NY has some serious issues with that. Our permit is only honored in abou 5 other states while we honor no permits. That's complete bs honestly, but we need to thank our great state leaders for that. Thank god for Florida...

editted again... A complaint I just thought of. The stupid COBUS law is a serious waste of tax-payer dollars. And I doubt as if requireing all new hand guns sold in the state to have a spent casing sent into the state police for crime solving purposes has solved any crimes.
 
New York

A) No major earthquakes
B) No Hurricanes
C) No tornadoes
D) No tsunamis
E) No volcanoes

Oh....this is supposed to be about guns :confused: ...Well, we can still own some, but otherwise it pretty much sucks...
 
CT's assault rifle "ban" is one of the weirder bans out there. It restricts the original versions of so-called assault rifles but not clones. For example, an FN FAL is banned but a DS Arms FAL is perfectly legal. AK-47s are banned in 7.62 x 39 but legal in any other caliber (so semi-auto AK-74s are fine).

As mentioned before, the process for a state permit is pretty much a formality. The only difficulty can be getting approval from the local police chief but I haven't heard too many horror stories about people with clean records being turned down.

So, I can pretty much buy whatever I want and carry wherever I want. To me, the biggest hassle is finding a good place to shoot outside without dealing with the attitudes and egos at the dedicated ranges. It's so cramped and congested here, you're always within earshot of somebody.
 
New Jersey:
Home of the nation's most dangerous city.
That's good for the arguement that gun restriction and violent crime have a direct correlation. Ya see, New Jersey's not all that bad. It's also good for NRA membership recruiting: "Join now or you may become New Jersey."
 
I'm getting a little tired of all the ---- errrr- "Grousing" about California.
I suspect most of it comes from people who have never even been, let alone lived, here. :rolleyes:
 
Shopping is easier........

Shopping for a new gun is much easier........ since they restrict so many guns from being sold in Cali you have MUCH less to choose from. Can't even buy a T/C Contender!
 
CT and guns

THere are two things good about CT and guns. The first is that the state constitution recognises the rifght to bear arms to defend oneself and the second is that the police can't deny you a permit without cause and have to issue it within a certain amount of time.

The banned list is odd and not internally consistant. I thought that AK "type" rifles were banned but FAL rifles were banned by name so a STG58 was ok. The list changes from time to time and is on the state of CT website.

There isn't a lot of good ranges but there are alot of clubs. There are five gunstores within a 45 minute drive so thats ok but everything is very expensive.

There are more gunnies here than you might expect esp. in the formerly rural counties. The metropolitan areas are a complete loss however.
pete
 
Taurus,
I've been quzzed at Walmart as well. At least here in Niagara Falls and Buffalo, the clerk gets a question on-screen once the ammo is scanned. It says to ask the customer "is this for a handgun". If you reply yes, they ask for your permit. If you reply "no", they don't. This holds true in at least 3 Walmart stores from which I've purchased ammo.

I learned instantly to say "no, it's for a rifle". You know, I get so much use out of my .44, .357, .380, .38 special "rifles". Hah.

:D
 
Old Fud covered most of my comments on CA and added some that I may or may not be comfortable with.

Most of the grousing comes from constant fear of the politicos voted in by the Thin Blue Line--not LEOs, but the thin line of lib cities along the coast. The extortion gun test in place is one example of the validity of the fears as are the state AWB which Mr. Peralta is generous enough to expand to include Olympics competition firearms.

Irony of ironies, as Old Fud says we have a lush selection of great ranges and very active clubs within a 35 mile drive of my home in San Ramon.
 
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