Trey Veston
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Yes they can, and I own one. But I was called out as being a liar for claiming such...
I test all of my handguns out to 25yds in search of the tightest groups possible with various loads. I expect any pistol I will rely on for defense of my life to be capable of around 2" at 25yds, 5-shots, with a rest.
That translates usually into a 6" group off-hand in timed fire.
Every single one of my defensive pistols has been able to achieve that goal, except a couple exceptions; a Glock 19 Gen 4 and a Taurus G2c. I still have the Taurus since it's really not worth selling or trading...
I recently purchased a S&W M&P40c to be my new carry gun. I had previously owned one back in 2007 and foolishly sold it. It met my criteria. The new one did not. It did a best of 4" at 25yds with my match reloads. With my Hornady Critical Defense 165gr carry ammo, it did 9"...
So I tried some 180gr loads using Hornady XTPs and Ramshot Silhouette powder. I got a group to hit the magical 2".
I posted the results on another gun forum, and was told that 2" groups at 25yds from a striker-fired compact polymer pistol was nearly impossible and that I must have fudged things.
I then posted pictures of a 1" group using a Glock 29 and more sub-2" groups using an XDS 40.
Then I was told that anyone can get a good group once in a while and my results are not believable unless I post multiple tiny groups on a single target. Basically accused of being a liar.
Really?
I'm above average for a pistol shooter, though I still have not attained the magical 500 score in GSSF. I have hit 497 and am normally in the 490s at my monthly match. There are a lot of much better shooters than me, so I'm sure others have ran across a polymer striker-fired defense pistol that shoots very well and is capable of 1" or so groups at 25yds.
The offending image...
I'll admit the G29 is a freak, as it is actually more accurate than my GSSF match pistol...
I test all of my handguns out to 25yds in search of the tightest groups possible with various loads. I expect any pistol I will rely on for defense of my life to be capable of around 2" at 25yds, 5-shots, with a rest.
That translates usually into a 6" group off-hand in timed fire.
Every single one of my defensive pistols has been able to achieve that goal, except a couple exceptions; a Glock 19 Gen 4 and a Taurus G2c. I still have the Taurus since it's really not worth selling or trading...
I recently purchased a S&W M&P40c to be my new carry gun. I had previously owned one back in 2007 and foolishly sold it. It met my criteria. The new one did not. It did a best of 4" at 25yds with my match reloads. With my Hornady Critical Defense 165gr carry ammo, it did 9"...
So I tried some 180gr loads using Hornady XTPs and Ramshot Silhouette powder. I got a group to hit the magical 2".
I posted the results on another gun forum, and was told that 2" groups at 25yds from a striker-fired compact polymer pistol was nearly impossible and that I must have fudged things.
I then posted pictures of a 1" group using a Glock 29 and more sub-2" groups using an XDS 40.
Then I was told that anyone can get a good group once in a while and my results are not believable unless I post multiple tiny groups on a single target. Basically accused of being a liar.
Really?
I'm above average for a pistol shooter, though I still have not attained the magical 500 score in GSSF. I have hit 497 and am normally in the 490s at my monthly match. There are a lot of much better shooters than me, so I'm sure others have ran across a polymer striker-fired defense pistol that shoots very well and is capable of 1" or so groups at 25yds.
The offending image...
I'll admit the G29 is a freak, as it is actually more accurate than my GSSF match pistol...