CCW in Bars?

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I think under the circumstances no cop in his RIGHT mind would have hassled you for that situation.

Oh, I seriously doubt that. A cop who catches a glimpse of a gun or a fairly obvious print in a bar where it is strictly prohibited by law is not going to assume you are a law-abiding CCW permit holder. After all, a law-abiding permit holder wouldn't break the law by carrying in a bar. Hence, the cop would likely assume you are some kind of gangster or other criminal and confront you about the gun. Even after running your ID to show no warrants or criminal history, the cop probably will feel it's a violation he can't ignore. Good-bye CCW permit.

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I don't have much recollection regarding my buddies conditions but I certainly got absolutely smashed. Weirdly, my 1911 still didn't hop out of it's holster and blow anyone away.

Are you sure? Did you check the magazine? It sounds like you wouldn't have remembered if you DID fire it. :rolleyes:

...there are many situations in which I cannot carry at all times. I have learned to live with it...

It is unfortunate that this is true. But learning to live with it may be the most sensible comment here. Many have weighed in with similar advice. Losing the CPL for ANY reason would be unacceptable.

This thread is all over the place because of the wildly differing opinions. The OP might want to turn it into a poll.

That's not a bad idea. Can you add a poll to a thread - or do you need to start a new thread?
 
I support conceal carry ANYWHERE. I don't recall the second amendment saying you have the right to bare arms unless consuming alcohol. In PA there are no laws prohibiting carrying into bars. However, I'm moving to SC and there is. Stupid law in my opinion.
 
I don't recall the second amendment saying you have the right to bare arms unless consuming alcohol.

My understanding is that nearly everyone drank all day back then - starting with large quantitites of beer for breakfast!
 
That's not a bad idea. Can you add a poll to a thread - or do you need to start a new thread?
I've never tried. Hey, I'm just the idea guy here, O.K.? Dang, get the nuts & bolts folks working on it. Sheesh, do I have to do everything? Just who do you think you are, Mr. Big Stuff? :fire:




Good thing we're not in a bar carrying... That was close. I almost lost it.

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rainbowbob said:
Mr. Designer said:
I don't recall the second amendment saying you have the right to bare arms unless consuming alcohol.
My understanding is that nearly everyone drank all day back then - starting with large quantitites of beer for breakfast!
I believe you're right. I don't like ANY limitations put on my freedoms. Us excepting limitations on our God given rights just embolden Government to push for more and more restrictions. This may seem extreme to some but I think Barry Goldwater said it perfectly: "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
 
In Georgia if you get in an auto accident and have ANY alcohol in your system, they can charge you with DUI. What do you think would happen if you had alcohol in your system and had to shoot someone?
(...and many other similar posts.)

Guys, if you pull the trigger on someone, you're doing so because you believe you will die if you don't.

With that in context, the whole discussion kinda becomes moot.
 
Laws prohibiting carry of firearms in saloons are nothing new.
My understanding is that nearly everyone drank all day back then - starting with large quantitites of beer for breakfast!
Apparently, some need to brush up on their history ... Many towns in the Old West quickly realized the need to pass ordinances prohibiting the carry of firearms in the city limits and many required handguns be turned into the local sheriff's/marshal's office prior to embarking on a long night of reveling ... just too many cowboys and buffalo hunters losing their inhibitions while packin' their six-shooters ...
Originally Posted by Mr. Designer
I don't recall the second amendment saying you have the right to bare arms unless consuming alcohol.
I prefer short sleeves while drinking, especially since the bar gets a little wet after the drunks start sloshing their beers around ...
 
Many towns in the Old West quickly realized the need to pass ordinances prohibiting the carry of firearms in the city limits and many required handguns be turned into the local sheriff's/marshal's office prior to embarking on a long night of reveling
"...realized the need..." Please. And the infringement began. Less than 100 years old. Add another 100+ & look where we are now. Baa.

Does anyone for one moment believe that it was the miners & cowpokes who came up with the ordinance to disarm citizens? Is there any chance whatsoever that it was the slick mayor or the plump banker from back East? Hmm? "Daggnabit, Sheriff, if you don't do something about those cowpokes blastin' up my saloon I'm callin' in that note on yer spread. That last shot broke a glass not twenty feet from me. It's scaring people, I'm tellin' ya & it's bad fer business! Don't forget who pays yer salary"

I would concede "some" towns & cities. I think it is a stretch to say many, especially West of the Miss. But I'm all for a clarification. ;)
 
Apparently, some need to brush up on their history ...


Will this do for starters?


As an example of Party Time During the Colonial Period. The year was 1787. The banquet was in honor of General George Washington. The place was Philadelphia's City Tavern. It was a wild party -- political types and men dressed in wigs. In total, 55 revelers were there, down on Second Street. And this is what they drank: Fifty-four bottles of Madeira; 60 bottles of claret; 8 bottles of old stock; 22 bottles of porter; 8 bottles of hard cider; 12 bottles of beer; and 7 large bowls of punch.

How else did you think America's founding fathers kept warm during the terrible winters of the 18th century? In the early days of America, alcoholic beverages were seen as more healthful than water. They warmed a person on cold nights and kept off chills and fevers. Indeed, the colonists consumed more alcohol than modern Americans.

Most alcohol was consumed in the form of beer, rum and cider. Wine had to be imported and was a rare commodity. During the period of colonial rule, European wines were so heavily taxed that the price was prohibitive. Only the wines of Madeira, from the Portuguese island off the African coast, were exempt from the British tax, making them a favorite among the revolutionaries.

Despite the price, many of the founding fathers had a special fondness for wine. Benjamin Franklin wrote that wine was ``constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy.'' George Washington adored Champagne. One colonist for whom wine was a particularly serious passion -- indeed he called it ``a necessity of life'' -- was , again, Thomas Jefferson, statesman, diplomat and third president of the United States. He was also one of the most experienced and knowledgeable wine connoisseurs of his age. Within two weeks of arriving in Paris as the ambassador to France in 1784, he had purchased 276 bottles of wine, primarily Bordeaux vintages.


And this...

Early Americans really did not care what anybody thought about their love of alcohol. As a Georgian wrote: "If I take a settler after my coffee, a cooler at nine, a bracer at ten, a whetter at eleven and two or three stiffners during the forenoon, who has any right to complain?"

In 1790, United States government figures showed that annual per-capita alcohol consumption for everybody over fifteen amounted to thirty-four gallons of beer and cider, five gallons of distilled spirits, and one gallon of wine.

Americans thought alcohol was healthful. To their minds, drink kept people warm, aided digestion, and increased strength. Not only did alcohol prevent health problems, but it could cure or at least mitigate them. They took whiskey for colic and laryngitis. Hot brandy punch addressed cholera. Rum-soaked cherries helped with a cold. Pregnant women and women in labor received a shot to ease their discomfort.

Water, on the other hand, could make you sick.
 
Why not?

I seldom go to bars, but I can polish off a few Martinis and dont turn into a Jerk. Again, it's back to personable responsible responsibility...Essex
 
Not to be too far off topic, but as a long-time homebrewer who has read up on the history, I can attest to the popularity of beer in the Middle Ages and beyond. The typical beer brewed then had a low alcohol content, and was seen as safer and better to drink than water. They had a point, since the boiling of the beer during brewing made it far more sanitary than the typical water supply of the time.
 
They took whiskey for colic and laryngitis. Hot brandy punch addressed cholera. Rum-soaked cherries helped with a cold.

WOO HOO!!!!!!! I not only have a cold, but my voice is getting hoarse! Party time tonight!!!!! :evil::evil::evil:

And let us not forget St. Paul's admonition to Timothy to "take a little wine for your stomach, since you are sick so often."

I'll drink to that.

Springmom
 
We're trying to get the law straightened out here in Georgia. hb-89 states that concealed carry would be allowed in establishments that get 50% of their income from food (think Applebees), providing that said permit holder abstains from drinking alcohol. We're just waiting on sonny perdue to sign it.
 
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