Citizen aids cop, shoots attacker (multiple threads merged)

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Exposure said:
Amazing, I thought this was supposed to be "The High Road"


EDIT: I may be mistaken about your post cracked butt. However, it comes across as a racially biased. If your post was sarcastic and not racist then you have my apologies.

I agree that it's racially biased. Most owners of audio stores are probably white, therefore it's absolutely biased against white people.

...or I may have missed something. Help? :evil:
 
Amazing, I thought this was supposed to be "The High Road"


EDIT: I may be mistaken about your post cracked butt. However, it comes across as a racially biased. If your post was sarcastic and not racist then you have my apologies.

No RACIAL bias on my part, nor sarcasm, until I read a link posted by another member here, I assumed the perp was white. The only bias I had in reading the story was a young man owning a $60,000 car which probably had a souped up stereo in it which I could easily imagine being turned up way too high and disturbing a funeral procession. 10 years ago when I was his age, I would have had a big stereo in my car and would have 'needed' to share my music with the world whether they liked it or not.

At any rate I will not appologize for using common sense in adding 2+2 to get 4. The race of the man who was shot makes no difference in this case whatsoever. The people who want to race bait or make a racial issue out of every time a cop has to defend himself with his duty weapon can go pound sand.
 
musher said:
<homer>But I want to argue now...</homer>

Sounds like the request for help from the officer isn't under debate. Hopefully this will protect the samaritan.

It seems like you can't really argue that he overreacted, since the professional who called for help was shooting as well.

I don't know what the law in Louisiana is, but I'd guess they've got some sort of statute covering private citizens assisting officers. Just for interest here is NC's:

15A-405. Assistance to law-enforcement officers by private persons to effect arrest or prevent escape; benefits for private persons.
(a) Assistance upon Request; Authority. – Private persons may assist law-enforcement officers in effecting arrests and preventing escapes from custody when requested to do so by the officer. When so requested, a private person has the same authority to effect an arrest or prevent escape from custody as the officer making the request. He does not incur civil or criminal liability for an invalid arrest unless he knows the arrest to be invalid. Nothing in this subsection constitutes justification for willful, malicious or criminally negligent conduct by such person which injures or endangers any person or property, nor shall it be construed to excuse or justify the use of unreasonable or excessive force.


Note the last sentence - it's not carte blanche authority to go shooting up perps willy-nilly. But it does offer significant liability protection to the responding private citizen.

Amusingly (or maybe not), the next bit mentions that people assisting LEOs under this article are entitled to both LEO death benefits and workman's comp. Not that I'd want to test that out!

- Cliff
 
Update 2-20-2006

http://www.wjbo.com/pages/localnews.html?feed=119442&article=401589

Sheriff's Office: Bystanders Bullet Kills Man

Charges will not filed against Perry Stevens, who shot and killed 24 year old George Temple II
Monday, February 20, 2006
Temple was shot Friday after getting into an altercation with a Baton Rouge policeman. The Sheriff's office - who investigated the shooting - said today that a total of six shots hit Temple: 1 shot from the police officer and 5 shots from the bystander, Mr. Stevens. Police would not say what sparked the argument that lead to the scuffle.
 
Hmmm, BG beats snot out of cop, cop calls for help. Cop shoots and GS shoots. Per the story: cop fired twice, GS fired 3 times. BG hit once by cop, FIVE times by GS.

Cop needs to spend more time at range, and I want shooting lessons from GS !!!!

Stoopid reporters :banghead: :cuss: :fire:


And as an FYI for everyone who does NOT live in or near the Chicagoland area. Telling people you own firearms, most will think you like to kick puppies. Telling them that you like to shoot and they will look at you like you set kittens on fire. Tell them that you hunt and they will think that also eat small children. *Sigh*
 
If one bullet goes in the left arm, out the left arm, in the left torso, out the right torso, in the right arm, and stops... is it considered 3 hits?
 
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4527526

...That's when Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol.

According to Col. Greg Phares, "[Mr. Stevens] orders Mr. Temple to stop and get off the officer. The verbal commands are ignored and Mr. Stevens fires four shots, all of which struck Mr. Temple."

Perry Stevens fired four shots into Temple's torso. Officer Harrison had already fired one shot into Temple's abdomen. With Temple still struggling with the officer, Perry continued to advance toward the scuffle.

"He again orders Mr. Temple to stop what he was doing and get off the officer. Those commands are ignored and he fires a fifth shot and that hits his head.The incident is over with, and as you know, Mr. Temple is dead."

Shoulda walked around to see what was holding him up...




:neener:

Good shoot, score 1 for the good guys. I hope he isn't having problems with his actions.
 
Cop needs to spend more time at range

Pistols arnt a weapon for melee combat. If someone gets in your face, your chance for making nice clean shots is zero. Its an important lesson on how one man with a gun is not as good as two men with guns.

From what Ive read, I think the bystander deserves a medal.
 
Good follow-up. Sounds like the GS did everything reasonable and correct. Wonder if this "armed citizen assists cop" will get any play in the msm.
 
Exposure said:
cracked butt said:
I think Art Eatman is on to something here. Blinging car. Owner of an audio shop that is in his early 20s. I wouldn't have a hard time drawing a conclusion about what happened.



Amazing, I thought this was supposed to be "The High Road"

EDIT: I may be mistaken about your post cracked butt. However, it comes across as a racially biased. If your post was sarcastic and not racist then you have my apologies.

Out on a witch hunt for the xenophobes...?

The article referred to the dead man as a "local business man" and then by his name, "George Temple II." The article did not refer to George Temple II as a "local black man," or any other minority.

Your own typecasts have made you presuppose the story is about a minority - and therefore accuse another’s comments of containing bigotry - again due to your own stereotypes.

Neat.
 
Dont they have X Ray machines in louisiana?

LMA, Only in parts of Louisiana. (I am from LA I can make fun of it).

TxSigman,
I just glad I don't live in Daly's peoples' republic of Illinois. In some parts of the US Tecumseh people can carry guns in thier car and not worry about it.
Texas for instance.

+1

At any point in time I may have a handgun or two in the lockbox of my truck, and it is not unusual for me to have a rifle/shotgun or both. I like to shoot and I do not want to have to go to the house and open the gun safe every time I am ready to shoot. Counting the gun I wear on my person it is not unusual for there to be 4-5 guns in my truck.

Charles
 
dang my redneck/kkk leanings are slipping

cracked butt said:
I think Art Eatman is on to something here. Blinging car. Owner of an audio shop that is in his early 20s. I wouldn't have a hard time drawing a conclusion about what happened.

something is wrong with me, my first thought at this was he had a high dollar sterio in that benz turned way up and not paying attention to his driving. guess i've been away from the drugie seen to long!
 
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2340841.html


Bystander fired fatal shot in Friday incident
By BRETT TROXLER
2theadvocate.com Staff
Published: Feb 20, 2006

From a report by News 2's Ken Pastorick

Advocate staff photo by Liz Condo

East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Crime Scene Investigator Van Calhoun investigates the scene at the corner of Greenwell Springs and Joor in Baton Rouge Friday where a man was shot and killed by a bystander during an altercation with a police officer.

The East Baton Rouge Parish Sherrif's Office announced Monday that the gunshot that left one man dead after an altercation with a Baton Rouge Police Department officer was fired by a bystander trying to help.

Officer Brian Harrison pulled 24-year-old George Temple over after he cut off a funeral procession. After Harrison pulled Temple over and wrote him a ticket, the two began to fight. Temple got the best of the officer and was on top of him, and Harrison called for help.

Perry Stephens came to Harrison's aid and shot and killed Temple.

EBRSO's investigation concluded that shots were fired from two guns during the incident.

Harrison fired three shots, hitting Temple once in the stomach.

Stephens ordered Temple to get off the officer. When he didn't, Stevens fired four shots from his own gun into Temple's chest and then one into his head.

Stephens did have a concealed handgun permit. Investigators also said Temple had an arrest record with violent offenses.

BRPD officials placed Harrison on paid administrative leave following the incident.

Harrison was also involved in another shooting incident in 1995. While working for the East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Office, Harrison shot an innocent bystander while chasing a robbery suspect. He was suspended, but did not lose his job.

Col. Greg Phares of EBRSO said his office will not file any charges against Harrison or Stephens, though he will hand the evidence over to District Attorney Doug Moreau. Moreau will have the option of filing charges or taking the case to the grand jury.

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My comments -

This is the first story that tells the WHOLE truth about the fight. The BG, who was a boxer according to stories published yesterday, had the officer ON THE GROUND, pounding his face in. The officer had to shoot up into the BG while the BG was on top of him. This is why he only hit him once out of three shots (with a 40 cal).

The hero in this event, shoots the BG 4 times in the torso with a 45 cal, most likely hollow points. The BG still refuses to stop beating the cop.

I'd bet anything that the BG was on Meth or something else.

Mr. Stephens truly deserves a medal. I just hope that the laws of LA preclude civil action by the BG's relatives.
 
Another article from the Baton Rouge - Advocate

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2343136.html


Police: Witness shot man five times
By KIMBERLY VETTER

Advocate staff writer
Published: Feb 21, 2006

Advocate staff photo by Richard Alan Hannon

No arrests will be made in the death of 24-year-old George Temple II, a local businessman shot and killed by a witness during a scuffle with a Baton Rouge police officer on Friday.

“We are not arresting anyone,” Greg Phares, chief criminal deputy with the East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office, said Monday. “However, this is not the end of the process. Our investigation will be taken to the district attorney.”

Phares said Perry Stephens fired a shot to Temple’s head after witnessing a fight between Temple and Officer Brian Harrison.

Phares declined to release Stephens’ age and address.

He said Stephens shot Temple with a .45-caliber handgun five times, four times in the chest and once in the head. The incident occurred about 2:15 p.m. Friday in the parking lot of the AutoZone at 9007 Greenwell Springs Road at Joor Road.

Phares would not talk about bullet entry points, but said, “It is my understanding that Mr. Stephens attempted to place his shots in a way to minimize harm to the police officer since the two were so close.

Stephens had a concealed handgun license, Phares said.

Phares said that investigators found a handgun in Temple’s car, but that it did not play a part in the altercation. Temple was the owner of Expert Sound, 7221 Airline Highway.

Harrison, 32, shot Temple once in the stomach during the struggle, Phares said

Attempts to reach Harrison Monday were unsuccessful. The Advocate left one message at his home.

While working for the East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office, Harrison accidentally shot a customer in 1995 when two men robbed a convenience store in Baker, The Advocate has reported.

In that robbery, the customer was armed with a .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol. After the bandits left the store, the customer followed and fired at least one shot.

Harrison, who was in uniform but unarmed, obtained a .357-caliber pistol from the store owner and fired a single shot at a figure running west in the direction that the robbers also ran, accidentally shooting the customer in the lower back.

No charges were filed against Harrison, East Baton Rouge Parish Clerk of Court records show.

Stephens also could not be reached for comment. The Advocate left two messages at his home and made a visit to his house on Monday but did not reach him.

At a news conference Monday, Phares said Stephens walked out of the AutoZone and got his weapon after hearing Harrison, who was fighting with Temple on the ground, yell for help.

As Stephens, who was wearing a neck brace and using a cane, walked toward the men, he heard shots and Harrison again call for help.

At that point, Stephens asked Temple to get off Harrison, Phares said. When Temple did not comply, he shot Temple four times in the chest.

Stephens ordered Temple again to get off Harrison. When he did not comply, he shot Temple in the head, killing him, Phares said.

How the fight between Harrison and Temple began is still unclear to investigators. What they do know is that Harrison was off-duty and working as a motorcycle escort for a funeral procession going west on Greenwell Springs Road when a black S550 Mercedes driven by Temple cut into the procession, Phares said.

Harrison pulled Temple into the AutoZone parking lot and wrote him a ticket for a traffic violation. That’s when an argument began. What the two argued about is still unknown because Harrison has yet to be interviewed, Phares said.

Phares said investigators have talked with Harrison’s attorney and feel confident an interview with the officer will happen soon.
Words turned into a fight after Harrison attempted to remove Temple from his car, Phares said.

The fight left Harrison with face contusions. He is on administrative leave during the investigation, Police Chief Jeff LeDuff said at the news conference.

“This is a tragic scene all the way around,” said LeDuff, who added it is a police officer’s duty to keep unwanted cars out of a funeral procession. “I’ve written that ticket a hundred times.”

Wayne Laird, manager of Rabenhorst Funeral Home East, said his funeral home was involved in the procession that day.

“People are bad about cutting in a funeral procession and cutting on their lights and following the process and then dropping off wherever they want,” he said. “We don’t know if that actually happened, but that sort of thing is typical. It is very dangerous.”

According to court records, Temple was on probation for simple battery and simple damage to property at the time of his death.

A case against him also was pending involving counts of simple battery, simple trespassing and simple criminal damage to property, according to records at the Clerk of Court’s Office.


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My comments:

Mr. Stephans gave the BG two opportunities to stop assaulting the officer. Even after being shot once with a 40 cal, then 4 times with a 45 cal, he deceided to continue beating the officer over a $90 traffic ticket.

Meth or PCP had to be involved.

Perry Stephans saved this officer's life. He is a hero.
 
dang my redneck/kkk leanings are slipping
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Originally Posted by cracked butt
I think Art Eatman is on to something here. Blinging car. Owner of an audio shop that is in his early 20s. I wouldn't have a hard time drawing a conclusion about what happened.

something is wrong with me, my first thought at this was he had a high dollar sterio in that benz turned way up and not paying attention to his driving. guess i've been away from the drugie seen to long!

Try reading my last post before trying politically correct troll baiting :rolleyes:

Jeez, seems like some people will have a chip on their shoulder no matter where you go.
 
shoe fitz

Around where I am from your a sicko redneck KKK member looking to shoot minorities if you carry a gun in your car. (I am from Chicagos suburbs.)

more then half of the cars in Reno probably have guns in them irregardless of race , creed , or color.

So you are going to make assumptions that the kid was a drugdealer because he owned an audio business and drove a Benz?

If the shoe fits, then I will assume that this is indeed cinderfella:neener:
 
CCW Individual shoots suspect 5 times....

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2343136.html


Police: Witness shot man five times

By KIMBERLY VETTER
Advocate staff writer
Published: Feb 21, 2006

No arrests will be made in the death of 24-year-old George Temple II, a local businessman shot and killed by a witness during a scuffle with a Baton Rouge police officer on Friday.

“We are not arresting anyone,” Greg Phares, chief criminal deputy with the East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office, said Monday. “However, this is not the end of the process. Our investigation will be taken to the district attorney.”

Phares said Perry Stephens fired a shot to Temple’s head after witnessing a fight between Temple and Officer Brian Harrison.

Phares declined to release Stephens’ age and address.

He said Stephens shot Temple with a .45-caliber handgun five times, four times in the chest and once in the head. The incident occurred about 2:15 p.m. Friday in the parking lot of the AutoZone at 9007 Greenwell Springs Road at Joor Road.

Phares would not talk about bullet entry points, but said, “It is my understanding that Mr. Stephens attempted to place his shots in a way to minimize harm to the police officer since the two were so close.”

Stephens had a concealed handgun license, Phares said.

Phares said that investigators found a handgun in Temple’s car, but that it did not play a part in the altercation. Temple was the owner of Expert Sound, 7221 Airline Highway.

Harrison, 32, shot Temple once in the stomach during the struggle, Phares said

Attempts to reach Harrison Monday were unsuccessful. The Advocate left one message at his home.

While working for the East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office, Harrison accidentally shot a customer in 1995 when two men robbed a convenience store in Baker, The Advocate has reported.

In that robbery, the customer was armed with a .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol. After the bandits left the store, the customer followed and fired at least one shot.

Harrison, who was in uniform but unarmed, obtained a .357-caliber pistol from the store owner and fired a single shot at a figure running west in the direction that the robbers also ran, accidentally shooting the customer in the lower back.

No charges were filed against Harrison, East Baton Rouge Parish Clerk of Court records show.

Stephens also could not be reached for comment. The Advocate left two messages at his home and made a visit to his house on Monday but did not reach him.

At a news conference Monday, Phares said Stephens walked out of the AutoZone and got his weapon after hearing Harrison, who was fighting with Temple on the ground, yell for help.

As Stephens, who was wearing a neck brace and using a cane, walked toward the men, he heard shots and Harrison again call for help.

At that point, Stephens asked Temple to get off Harrison, Phares said. When Temple did not comply, he shot Temple four times in the chest.

Stephens ordered Temple again to get off Harrison. When he did not comply, he shot Temple in the head, killing him, Phares said.

How the fight between Harrison and Temple began is still unclear to investigators. What they do know is that Harrison was off-duty and working as a motorcycle escort for a funeral procession going west on Greenwell Springs Road when a black S550 Mercedes driven by Temple cut into the procession, Phares said.

Harrison pulled Temple into the AutoZone parking lot and wrote him a ticket for a traffic violation. That’s when an argument began. What the two argued about is still unknown because Harrison has yet to be interviewed, Phares said.

Phares said investigators have talked with Harrison’s attorney and feel confident an interview with the officer will happen soon.
Words turned into a fight after Harrison attempted to remove Temple from his car, Phares said.

The fight left Harrison with face contusions. He is on administrative leave during the investigation, Police Chief Jeff LeDuff said at the news conference.

“This is a tragic scene all the way around,” said LeDuff, who added it is a police officer’s duty to keep unwanted cars out of a funeral procession. “I’ve written that ticket a hundred times.”

Wayne Laird, manager of Rabenhorst Funeral Home East, said his funeral home was involved in the procession that day.

“People are bad about cutting in a funeral procession and cutting on their lights and following the process and then dropping off wherever they want,” he said. “We don’t know if that actually happened, but that sort of thing is typical. It is very dangerous.”

According to court records, Temple was on probation for simple battery and simple damage to property at the time of his death.

A case against him also was pending involving counts of simple battery, simple trespassing and simple criminal damage to property, according to records at the Clerk of Court’s Office.


He took 4 shots of .45 to the chest and then 1 in the head to drop him...dam :what:
Shot placement is DEFINETLY the Key.
 
From what's presented here, it sounds like a justifiable shoot. It also sounds like the Temple guy was a major hot head. I hope the Stephens guy does not have to deal with a lot of civil liability harrassment from Temple's relatives.
 
“We are not arresting anyone,” Greg Phares, chief criminal deputy with the East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office, said Monday. “However, this is not the end of the process. Our investigation will be taken to the district attorney.”

I understand they have to do due diligence, but if anything other than a medal is given to the guy that stepped in to help no one will ever assist an officer calling for help again. Tread lightly Mr District Attorney......
 
Wow, dude took one shot in the stomach from the officer, 4 more in the chest from the good samaritan, and it still took a head shot to finish it. Wonder if he was on something?

Yeah, it would be very bad for any LEOs requesting help in the future if the good samaritan gets anything but praise for this incident.
 
Did I read tis right, the guy who was doign the shooting had a neckbrace on and used a cane? Brings a new meaning to respect your elders! Sound like this guy was a decent shot.
 
Harrison, who was in uniform but unarmed, obtained a .357-caliber pistol from the store owner and fired a single shot at a figure running west in the direction that the robbers also ran, accidentally shooting the customer in the lower back
.:scrutiny:

While it sounds on the face of it like a good shoot on the part of the samaritan, I have to wonder about the actions of the officer, especially when coupled with this earlier incident. If I were the chief, I would REALLY look at this guy and wonder if he should be a cop.

Everything might be fine, but exactly how did a traffic ticket escalate to this? Temple may be entirely to blame, but if I were Harrison's superior, I would want to know in detail what happened.
 
A different observation

The altercation, the injuries and the situation are regrettable. Those are not the focus of my comments.

All too often, we read silly, contentious, and absurd and insulting postings about 9mm vs. .45 acp, stopping power, bullet design and similar topics.

Please review what happened. 4 shots to the stomach (read center mass) and one shot to the head (head shot). This was accomplished with a .45acp round.

My conclusion is that you cannot be opinionated about what works and doesn't work.

If, by projection, I assume that the witness was shooting at target areas presented to him, I would conclude that he was skillful and not hung up wth isosceles vs. Weaver, push-pull vs. bullseye and other such nonesense.

You also conclude another thing about dealing with confrontations. I was once the object of a traffic stop that took about 1 hour. No citation was issued and I didn't use any pull or make threats. There were multiple officers involved. At the end, I was complimented on my patience. After further discussion, I was told that the officers were routinely cursed at, threatened in their jobs and otherwise harrassed by the stopped motorists. Can we learn that whether you make a bonehead mistake in your driving or you are dealing with a bonehead officer, just take it easy and don't escalate? It really doesn't matter whether your wife won't put out, the boss yelled at you, the kid failed mathematics at school, or that you are late for an appointment. Vent yourself on the cop who stops you, or anyone for that matter, and someone might not go home that night.:what:
 
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