Civilian Back-up gun,odds you will ever use it?

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* The odds of using a main gun are astronomical...almost never happens (thank God).

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amusing that people who are pro gun and gun carriers would still carry a gun for defense and make the argument that the odds of using it are astronomical, but then argue against BUGs?

It becomes a sort of "My astronomical odds are less than your astronomical odds and so what you are doing just doesn't make sense."

What is the level of astronomical odds that should determine our behavior? The math relative to reality conversion formula escapes me here.
 
"I don't carry a backup when I go up to the Sears hardware store or Walmart though."


oh man... some qotes here get me laughin sooo hard!


Considering the fact, that most of us are civilians ...
... i believe more than a dozen rounds on your person
is too much - be it in one combat-handgun or split in two packages.


Again... it´s 2A - but what kind of view will the general
public have of a defendant, who carries like 2 guns and more than
40 rounds of ammo?


i share the fascination ... but as some other poster put it: "you can what-if yourself into coma".

Brain
Skill
Equpment

in that exact order.

I´ve made it through third world countries
with just a pepper-spray in my pocket.
 
I can't believe anyone would argue that we dont need a BUG because (unlike cops) we can choose to avoid bad areas of town. The problem with that thinking is that while I can choose to avoid bad crime areas, criminals have the choice (and often do) venture into my "safe" side of the city. I can control where I go...but unfortunately, I can't control where the bad guy goes. Hence, if I am able...why not carry a BUG?

And while I often travel alone, criminals like to travel in packs. And I don't think that anyone in a middle of a fire fight have ever said that they wished they had less guns (or bullets) with them.
 
In a non-LEO context, I don't think "back-up" is the operative term. A private citizen is not likely to shoot a weapon empty, BUT there are other areas of concern, such as access. Once one gets away from belt carry in a vertical rig, offside-hand access becomes a problem, and size-large folks, or those with shoulder problems, will often have a very difficult time reaching across the body to access a vertical rig.

Attacks usually happen fast, and unexpectedly, and the hand that is nearest the attacker is likely to be busy doing empty-hand defense. This does NOT mean a secondary weapon is a requirement, but it does mean some thought and realistic training is a very good idea.

On another forum, member Anthony coined the term "roving" gun, for a handgun that is worn/carried in a place other than one's primary handgun. It can be carried in different places, depending upon the circumstances, and in some circumstances, will become the first gun for which one will reach. It can be an equivalent, smaller, or larger gun than the primary.

I am an LEO, and due to a specific threat profile for my area at this time, tend to carry two handguns virtually always, when away from the house. Most often, this is two P229 pistols, and sometimes a P229 and an SP101. When I retire, I think I will maintain the habit of two handguns, but downgrade the daily size and capacity a bit, possibly reverting to two SP101 snubbies, which for a while, in the past, was my daily carry ensemble. It is EASY to carry two or even three snubbies, even on my skinny frame. One in a pocket, and one holstered on the "primary" hip, can cover a lot of eventualities.
 
"Roving" is a better term than BUG? The job of the gun doesn't change just because it is worn by a LEO or non-LEO. If BUG doesn't apply, do non-LEOs need to call their primary guns something other than "primary" because they aren't cops?
 
Having more than one gun offers limited advantage.

Agreed. However, more than one magazine has a definite advantage. I always carry a spare mag for the XD-SC or XD Full size. The LCP is the only one I don't, and I only carry the LCP when I have zero concealment options.

I have had one FE in thousands of rounds with the XD-SC (under charged round) and none with the Full size. To others' points, what are the odds of either failing in a SD situation?

Also to consider, which is faster to get into action, clearing a malfunction/reloading your primary or drawing a BUG weak side? Considering for me, a bug would be deep concealed, I would go for the clearing or reloading.

Okay, enough of my opinionated rambling.
 
I did run into an unseen issue with my Sig p238 i just bought as a bug.
It has the right hand only safety,not ambidextrous.I carry condition 1 so that does impose an issue.
I don't see sweeping the safety off with my left thumb and then put it back around the grip.Nor do i see it useful to draw with the left and then swap it into my right hand.
I cant believe i overlooked this.

I bought 2 holsters to cover the trigger,a Desantis pocket holster and a IWB clipped Bulldog.All are ambidextrous so thats a big help,but i don't like to have both guns on the right side of my body.And only being able to draw right handed minimizes just how far i can place this bug away from that hand.
My original goal was place my main on the right at 3:30 IWB and the BUG in my left back pocket.Or at 10 oclock appendix.
Ive carried my wallet my whole life in my right pocket,seems stupid to change now.Muscle memory will certainly be affected.
 
Quote: " "Roving" is a better term than BUG? The job of the gun doesn't change just because it is worn by a LEO or non-LEO. If BUG doesn't apply, do non-LEOs need to call their primary guns something other than "primary" because they aren't cops?"

Call your "primary" what you want, and call your other weapons what you want. An LEO's openly-carried pistol on the "strong" side hip is almost always going to be his/her go-to weapon, unless a specialized weapon, such as a long gun, is very near at hand. As for the private citizen, or the LEO in off-the-clock mode, perhaps I should use an example. If I am walking through a parking garage or other congested space, and elect to walk with my hand(s) in my pocket(s), with one hand on a pocketed snubby, is that snubby acting as a backup at that moment in time, if the "primary" weapon is in an IWB rig?

If I get into my car, that pocketed snubby can be very difficult to access, and the IWB rig also not so easy to reach, but if that pocketed snubby is then slipped into an ankle rig, or into a temporarily attached "counter carjacking" rig, or into a holster attached to the console, then which weapon is quicker to deploy at that moment in time?

I have used the word "snubby" here, but in reality, the two weapons can be equivalent, or the second weapon could be larger than the "primary" weapon.
 
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