Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Have you ever used your gun for SD and how many bullets did you use?
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yes if you had poor planing and don't think well then by all means you should carry 3000 rounds of ammo everywhere because you don't understand a weather report.
ditto, they warned of riots days before verdict was read.
so keep on with your blatent disreguard of awareness and you carry an AK strapped at all times.:banghead:
Who said anything about needing 3000 rounds? The fact that I carry some extra ammo with me at all times, proves that I have common sense and that I'm prepared for virtually any situation that might occur.
You're the one talking about running home to "re-arm" in the middle of a riot or flood.
So why wouldn't you be carrying extra ammo with you BEFORE the event like I do, rather than think the rioters are going to give you time to run home and "re-arm" before they drag you out of your car and kill you---because you weren't carrying enough ammo to stop them!
You're the one talking about running home and "re-arming" during major riots and catastrophic hurricanes/floods. Talk about a lack of awareness!
If you're caught away from home during such a situation, you're not going to be able to run home and get your ammo! That's why people like myself who possess common sense, will be carrying extra ammo WITH them!
YOUR blatant disregard of awareness is appalling!
Tim L
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gfouts15 wrote
Here is one for you, 18 rounds from a Glock 23. It was written up in American Handgunner several months ago. Last time I saw him Brad still had a dent in the center of his forehead.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_192_32/ai_n24232259
Here is one for you, 18 rounds from a Glock 23. It was written up in American Handgunner several months ago. Last time I saw him Brad still had a dent in the center of his forehead.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_192_32/ai_n24232259
OK I'll play your game
who said to run home in the middle of the flood or riots. If your way of thinking is to wait until your house is under 20 feet of water or your being pulled from your car then you have a problem with awareness. in both cases there was ample time before hand to throw an extra (speed strip,box of ammo or the M1 with a bandoleer of ammo take your pick for a given need) in the car.
once again you've shown common sense is not so common.common sense would dictate to take some extra ammo if your going to be away from home especially if a hurricane is on its way.
If by use you mean if I actually fired it in a SD situation
Time 1: Yes and I fired once.
Time 2: Yes, and I fired twice.
Used it other times in a life threatening situation but did not fire, as in drew it but the situation went from threat to stopped threat virtually immediately as it came out of the leather.
All the best,
GB
Time 1: Yes and I fired once.
Time 2: Yes, and I fired twice.
Used it other times in a life threatening situation but did not fire, as in drew it but the situation went from threat to stopped threat virtually immediately as it came out of the leather.
All the best,
GB
You are correct that *likely* that is all that is needed.
However, guns are machines. Machines break. Often times at the worse possible moment.
So in a "standard" engagement with one bad guy, the floor plate of your mag breaks and the guts/ammo puke all over the sidewalk.......then what? What are you going to do?
Mags do funny things sometimes. The floor plate breaks, the mag falls out and the feed lips bend (or flat break off), springs can go kaflooey, followers get jammed up or do weird things. Is it rare? Sure. But I don't want to be playing Mr. Fix it when the poopie hits the spinning thing.
I don't carry extra mags to be Rambo, to prepare for WWIII on the way to the store or to shirk practicing proper defensive shooting.
I carry extra mags because I don't want to be armed with a hammer should the mag in the gun malfunction at the worst possible moment and I have no means to replace it.
I've already stated that I carry extra ammo with me at ALL times, so there's no need for me to throw something "extra" in the car. I've ALREADY GOT the extra with me, so I'm obviously thinking well ahead of you.
As I already have stated in multiple posts, I ALREADY have the extra ammo with me at ALL times, whereas unprepared individuals like yourself talk about having to run home and "re-arm". Your awareness and preparedness are abysmal at best.
RX-178
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I always carry extra mags for my carry weapons. Not because I'm afraid of running out of ammo, but because I carry two kinds of ammo at once (hotter rounds for outdoors, low pressure for indoors), and keep marked mags to tell them apart.
I also usually carry an NAA mini revolver with a holster grip. Sometimes I only carry the NAA mini revolver, although that tends to only happen with a combination of El Paso summer temperatures, and my own poor laundry planning. I never bother carrying extra ammunition for that, because of how long it takes to reload one.
Bottom line is, carry what you can. That doesn't mean you have to go out and get some specially designed concealable shoulder harness with a dozen mag pouches on it. A spare mag or a BUG in your pants pocket is good. A few mag pouches on your belt concealed by a jacket or untucked shirt? That's good too. And if you find you can't conceal any of that, or find it too uncomfortable.... just carry your weapon how you usually do, and don't worry about it so much.
I also usually carry an NAA mini revolver with a holster grip. Sometimes I only carry the NAA mini revolver, although that tends to only happen with a combination of El Paso summer temperatures, and my own poor laundry planning. I never bother carrying extra ammunition for that, because of how long it takes to reload one.
Bottom line is, carry what you can. That doesn't mean you have to go out and get some specially designed concealable shoulder harness with a dozen mag pouches on it. A spare mag or a BUG in your pants pocket is good. A few mag pouches on your belt concealed by a jacket or untucked shirt? That's good too. And if you find you can't conceal any of that, or find it too uncomfortable.... just carry your weapon how you usually do, and don't worry about it so much.
Onesiphorus
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Not since 1970.
It's funny that most folks never get the oppertunity to find out what they would actully do. Fact of the matter is, all of those fancy guns we like, would be confiscated if used for self defense, or just brandished . I was reading about plating the slide on one of my guns, and the owner of the company refered to this. He carrys 2 Kel-teks, for several reasons, the main 2 were that the pistol is well made and relativelly inexpensive. Even if you didn't fire the weapon, it will be in a Police property room, and there it will sit for 6 months to forever. I got one back with the case# scribed across the slide, "notorious in some states", they just do it because they can. So i'm not saying carry a piece of junk around, but carrying that $1-3 grand toy can be depressing if it gets taken away and it will if there is an incident.
Joe Demko
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Several times over the last 30 years or so. No shots fired. There were two incidents where it was really touch-and-go because the bad guys in question saw the gun in my hands but took the time to consider whether or not I might really shoot before ceasing their offensive actions.
The first was an incident where my father and I had a confrontation with a couple of chemically-altered hoopies. One of them was cradling a loaded rifle. I was holding a handgun. He was one twitch away from getting shot in the face.
The second, and more recent, event is described in this thread, where I am nit-picked, monday morning quarterbacked, and called a liar. The thread is a good illustration of why people are rather reluctant to talk about their own SD incidents in any detail here.
The first was an incident where my father and I had a confrontation with a couple of chemically-altered hoopies. One of them was cradling a loaded rifle. I was holding a handgun. He was one twitch away from getting shot in the face.
The second, and more recent, event is described in this thread, where I am nit-picked, monday morning quarterbacked, and called a liar. The thread is a good illustration of why people are rather reluctant to talk about their own SD incidents in any detail here.
MCgunner
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Yes, once...NONE fired. The sight of the gun was enough. Oh, I shot a dog once in self defense, was killin' my cats and didn't like me kickin' him, but I don't count that one. I could have stabbed him or choked him probably He was about 50-60 lbs, but pretty vicious.
HRT
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In my self defense situation simply flicking the 1911's safety off about 6" from his nose caused them to leave in a hurry. Situation was rammed and boxed in by 2 vehicles drivers converged on driver's side passengers converged on passenger's side and demanded money. Vehicle driver and passenger present driver with Colt Detective spcl in 38 Spcl and me with 1911 in 45. The fled the scene in a hurry. The figured they had some easy pickens but the prey had teeth. BTW this was in New Orleans in 1986 or so. Cop's question was why didn't we shoot the SOBs?
loop
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Most folks who have actually fired in self defense are unlikely to answer up to this type question in a forum.
There are a lot of Vets on this forum who have fired in SD and have not posted. There are also many LE personnel who do not seem to be posting in abundance.
Having read the many posts preceding this one my response is unusual. I can't recall how many times I've fired in SD. I can recall how many times I drew a gun on someone and did not fire.
I am sure of how many people I know I shot, but am uncertain of how many I actually shot (and do not want to know). I have no idea how many I shot at.
The people who can really answer your question will not do it.
It is not one of those things they do not want to think about.
BTW, this is fourth time I've written a response to this thread. I deleted it the first three times. It does not set well with me.
There are a lot of Vets on this forum who have fired in SD and have not posted. There are also many LE personnel who do not seem to be posting in abundance.
Having read the many posts preceding this one my response is unusual. I can't recall how many times I've fired in SD. I can recall how many times I drew a gun on someone and did not fire.
I am sure of how many people I know I shot, but am uncertain of how many I actually shot (and do not want to know). I have no idea how many I shot at.
The people who can really answer your question will not do it.
It is not one of those things they do not want to think about.
BTW, this is fourth time I've written a response to this thread. I deleted it the first three times. It does not set well with me.
Deus Machina
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Myself, from living 22 years (I'm still a young'n, I know) in a home with an available firearm, not drawn on a person once.
Retrieved dad's revolver once, when the garage door got busted in--turned out to be the canoe rack falling against it.
One time got accosted by a high school thug going into a liquor store, asking me to buy him booze. I refused, he pushed me and threatened, and I move my hand to my hip. He claimed he was 'just joking' and ran off. I didn't even own a gun at the time.
Anyway, anyone know what Florida's stance on the 'must fire' law is? We're pretty lax around everything else here, and I'd really want to keep my shot count at zero.
To add to the debate, my father taught me that you draw exactly one step before you fire. Someone draws a weapon or advances at you with known intent, draw; when they move to use the weapon, fire.
According to him, you fire only if they have a weapon or the intent and means to beat you to death. If they're throwing punches, you now have a club. In either case, distance is a better friend than a bullet.
EDIT: Loop, my hat's off to you. That is also the reason I never press police or veterans for tales.
The stories everyone wants to hear are the ones no one wants to tell.
Retrieved dad's revolver once, when the garage door got busted in--turned out to be the canoe rack falling against it.
One time got accosted by a high school thug going into a liquor store, asking me to buy him booze. I refused, he pushed me and threatened, and I move my hand to my hip. He claimed he was 'just joking' and ran off. I didn't even own a gun at the time.
Anyway, anyone know what Florida's stance on the 'must fire' law is? We're pretty lax around everything else here, and I'd really want to keep my shot count at zero.
To add to the debate, my father taught me that you draw exactly one step before you fire. Someone draws a weapon or advances at you with known intent, draw; when they move to use the weapon, fire.
According to him, you fire only if they have a weapon or the intent and means to beat you to death. If they're throwing punches, you now have a club. In either case, distance is a better friend than a bullet.
EDIT: Loop, my hat's off to you. That is also the reason I never press police or veterans for tales.
The stories everyone wants to hear are the ones no one wants to tell.
Adler
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In the military, one event, three rounds fired.
As a civilian, six events, first two unarmed (I am still here by the Grace of God Almighty; it surely wasn't due to anything I did!) , last four no shots fired, one in custody.
As a federal cop, eight events to date, no shots fired, 11 in custody.
"May you live in interesting times."
My all-time best friend, guru of life's nuances and instructor pilot extraordinaire, used to wish me thus as we rolled for take-off each and everytime we flew together, no matter what the mission of the day was, what type of aircraft we were flying, and whatever ordnance we were carrying. I always thought was a blessing. Not until he retired did I discover that it was an old Chinese curse...
As a civilian, six events, first two unarmed (I am still here by the Grace of God Almighty; it surely wasn't due to anything I did!) , last four no shots fired, one in custody.
As a federal cop, eight events to date, no shots fired, 11 in custody.
"May you live in interesting times."
My all-time best friend, guru of life's nuances and instructor pilot extraordinaire, used to wish me thus as we rolled for take-off each and everytime we flew together, no matter what the mission of the day was, what type of aircraft we were flying, and whatever ordnance we were carrying. I always thought was a blessing. Not until he retired did I discover that it was an old Chinese curse...
Once I had to use my gun in self defense.
I was watching a movie and fell asleep on the couch on Saturday night about 12:30 one night. and I was awoken to the sound of squeaking at my kitchen door. so I got up and shook the sleep from my head and as I made my way over I heard the sound of metal clattering like when you go in a tool box and there is a lot of different tools in it and your looking for something. So I came to the conclusion that it was a home invasion in the works. So I made my way quietly to my bedroom where I had a little 38 revolver and I took it out and waited to see what happened, then I heard the door open.
So at this point my adrenaline is through the roof for obvious reasons. and I hear him in my living room and he knocks some things around in there, then I hear him making his way down the hall to my bedroom. at this point I raise my gun and have it ready in case I have to fire. He enters my sight and oddly enough he didn't see me. So I says to him in a stern voice to please vacate my house I have a loaded gun here and I will use it if you force me to. He kind of chuckled and said to me thats what they all say, I to have a loaded gun and I will have you hitting the floor in the time it takes you to build up the courage to pull that trigger if it is even loaded. I never replied to him on that comment, I just focused my eyes on where his hands was going.
Then he reached into his waistband and as he did this I shouted for him to place his hands in the air or I will be forced to shoot. He refused to oblige my command, in a split second I seen his hand come out with a revolver of some sort and I pulled the trigger once and he fled and collapsed in my back yard.
I made my way out and phoned 911 and said we needed paramedics here fast as well as the police department. He survived but just barely and thank the Lord they never made any objections to my actions after I explained to them what happened and they concluded their investigation.
It was one of the worst days of my life, I didn't want to shoot him and I tried everything I could to get him to just leave but he left me no choice but to shoot him. And thank God he made it out alive because I am prepared to defend myself at any cost but I know I could not live with killing somebody even if they was a scumbag like that man.
I was watching a movie and fell asleep on the couch on Saturday night about 12:30 one night. and I was awoken to the sound of squeaking at my kitchen door. so I got up and shook the sleep from my head and as I made my way over I heard the sound of metal clattering like when you go in a tool box and there is a lot of different tools in it and your looking for something. So I came to the conclusion that it was a home invasion in the works. So I made my way quietly to my bedroom where I had a little 38 revolver and I took it out and waited to see what happened, then I heard the door open.
So at this point my adrenaline is through the roof for obvious reasons. and I hear him in my living room and he knocks some things around in there, then I hear him making his way down the hall to my bedroom. at this point I raise my gun and have it ready in case I have to fire. He enters my sight and oddly enough he didn't see me. So I says to him in a stern voice to please vacate my house I have a loaded gun here and I will use it if you force me to. He kind of chuckled and said to me thats what they all say, I to have a loaded gun and I will have you hitting the floor in the time it takes you to build up the courage to pull that trigger if it is even loaded. I never replied to him on that comment, I just focused my eyes on where his hands was going.
Then he reached into his waistband and as he did this I shouted for him to place his hands in the air or I will be forced to shoot. He refused to oblige my command, in a split second I seen his hand come out with a revolver of some sort and I pulled the trigger once and he fled and collapsed in my back yard.
I made my way out and phoned 911 and said we needed paramedics here fast as well as the police department. He survived but just barely and thank the Lord they never made any objections to my actions after I explained to them what happened and they concluded their investigation.
It was one of the worst days of my life, I didn't want to shoot him and I tried everything I could to get him to just leave but he left me no choice but to shoot him. And thank God he made it out alive because I am prepared to defend myself at any cost but I know I could not live with killing somebody even if they was a scumbag like that man.
kcshooter
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Two incidents, one shot fired.
(.357, inside my home)
(.357, inside my home)
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alaskanativeson
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On incident, two shots fired.
Caliber? .22
Victim? 3 1/2 ft rattlesnake. Tasty, too.
Caliber? .22
Victim? 3 1/2 ft rattlesnake. Tasty, too.
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