Bush to Seek Immigrant Benefit Protection

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I was in a Southern State visiting over the Holiday and the particula area I visited has an unemployment rate about 10% or a bit more.

The recent down economy has really taken a toll there.

Believe me, the folks in that area go to full combustion at the mention of legitimizing illegals. Ten years ago you could walk into any factory in that town and all the employess were locals. That's not the case today for the factories that are still running (giving the economy that number is down)and for some strange reason the peps there seem to think the illegal are taking their jobs.

In a related aspect of the issue, according to a local news paper that State is documenting the fasting growning increase in the Hispanic community in the US.

Texas right.

No....North Carolina. And the paper was the Charlotte Observer.

Bush may get what he wants with this plan but it may turn out to be one of several self induced wounds we will point to in the future that cost him re-election.

JMHO

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I am not a one issue voter. And I have been reasonably supportive of Bush for the WoT and the economic issues (tax cuts). However, this may be the straw that breaks my back. The support for the AWB, Partriot Act, CFR, Education, Medicare, and now bending over to Comrade Fox on immigration.

This will be a monumnentally stupid move on his part. Conservatives can waver on some issues, and be stroked on others. But immigration, illegal or otherwise, is out of control. :barf: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:
 
A lot of us knew this was coming but probably didn't want to really believe it. It's hard, after all, to accept that your alternative to socialism is himself not a whole bunch better (if at all). Which leaves those of us who believe in the basic American ideals where exactly? We are caught between two forms of socialism-collectivism, the faux populist type (Dean) and the global corporatist type (Bush). The American taxpayer exists to pay the bills, and no one cares what he thinks. So far this tax-serf doesn't seem to care that much; he's still got his MTV and his SUV and his ADD, after all. Britney's antics are still amusing and there's still Jacko to make fun of and all the cause celebre murder victims he's glad are someone else. Why worry because a few dinosaurs who prattle on about the Constitution being gangraped?

We are being sold out by the elites. It's that simple. If globalism is so great then where are the plans to make the average American richer by pursuing it? If Mexicans can come here and work, why can't we go down to Mexico, buy land, start businesses, and make money? Bush should be, at the very least, fighting for something bi-lateral.

Is he caving in? No, I don't think so. His priority isn't getting parity for Americans. It's making sure that a source of cheap labor, subsidized by the American taxpayer, is guaranteed for THOSE WHO COUNT. Americans are used to thinking that our Government is FOR US, so it's hard to accept that that is an obsolete concept. Will anyone call Bush to account on this? Anyone?
 
Social Security Funds for Illegal Aliens?




“Adding millions of lawbreakers to the Social Security system would be a slap in the face to our retirees. Why should we bend over backwards for those who broke our laws to work in this country while shortchanging the needs of hardworking Americans and legal immigrants who have put money into the Social Security system for decades? With Social Security in financial trouble, it is totally insane even to think about adding millions and millions of alien lawbreakers into the system. Congress must act now to pass H.R. 1631 and keep this travesty from happening."
— Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) [1]


With Social Security facing projections of insolvency, a Bush Administration plan would hasten that crisis by sending hundreds of millions of dollars in Social Security payments to Mexican citizens living in Mexico—including those who have worked illegally in the United States.

Under current law, an alien who worked illegally in the U.S. can only become eligible for Social Security benefits by becoming a legal U.S. resident. But officials at the State Department and Social Security Administration (SSA) are preparing a plan that would pay benefits to illegal aliens who have returned to Mexico.


The Bush Administration is negotiating an agreement with Mexico that Mexico has been seeking since the first such agreements were concluded more than twenty years ago. It would gain greater U.S. Social Security benefits for Mexicans who have worked in the United States, including those who worked illegally, and for their family members.[2] The agreement has not been signed yet, but the idea has already raised a firestorm of concern that may forestall it. If it were signed, it would be submitted to Congress, which would then have 60 days for either house to reject it, or it automatically would go into effect as an executive agreement.

A totalization agreement totals together periods of work by an individual in two countries, when calculating eligibility to receive benefits. The agreements are designed to ensure that people from one country working for years in another one do not fall through the cracks and end up ineligible for benefits in either country.

The U.S. has twenty such treaties with other counties, nearly all with European countries with economies similar to the U.S.’s and limited numbers of beneficiaries (2,084 in the case of the U.K.). The one proposed with Mexico would be dramatically different—not only because far larger numbers of people would be affected, but also because there are so many Mexicans who work illegally in the United States who might benefit from it.

The Mexican agreement would apply to all Mexicans who worked in the United States for a minimum of six quarters (one-and-a-half years of full-time employment) but less than 40 quarters (the amount needed to qualify for Social Security benefits without an agreement). To receive benefits in the United States, the Mexicans would have to become legal residents, but that requirement would not apply if they applied for Social Security benefits from Mexico (i.e., former illegal aliens could apply for Social Security).

The annual cost to the U.S. of the 20 existing accords is about $183 million; the agreement with Mexico is expected to cost Social Security between $78 million at first, rising to $650 million—in the SSA estimate—and more likely many times that in the view of the General Accounting Office.

GAO Tells Congress a Mexican Agreement Could Impact the Trust Fund

While the Social Security Administration (SSA) estimated that an agreement with Mexico would not make a measurable impact on the Social Security trust fund if it applied to 50,000 Mexicans — the number of current Mexican SSA beneficiaries residing in Mexico — and if that number increased to 300,000 beneficiaries by 2050[3], the General Accounting Office (GAO) disagrees.

In testimony on September 11, 2003, the GAO challenged the SSA’s methodology for estimating the costs of an agreement with Mexico. The methodology failed to take into account the estimated five million illegal alien Mexican workers in the United States, Mexicans now living in Mexico who earlier worked illegally in the United States, the fact that the agreement likely would make family members living in Mexico eligible for benefits that they are not currently entitled to, and the effects of a proposed new guest worker agreement. Also, the GAO found that there was no effort to systematically study the record keeping of the Mexican authorities who would be partners in the program to assure the validity of information received from that source.

The GAO dismissed the validity of comparing the impact of an agreement with Mexico to the one with Canada, because of the disproportionate number of illegal alien workers from Mexico. It also noted, “The cost estimate also inherently assumes that the behavior of Mexican citizens would not change after a totalization agreement goes into effect. Under totalization, unauthorized workers could have an additional incentive to enter the United States to work and to maintain the appropriate documentation necessary to claim their earnings under a false identity.â€

Given the questionable methodology used by the SSA to assess the impact of an agreement with Mexico, the GAO concluded that the SSA’s assessment that such an agreement would not have a measurable impact on the trust fund was not supported by the analysis, and, “Thus, for the Mexican agreement, additional analyses to assess risks and costs may be called for.â€

Alternative Approaches

The SSA has been recommending, since 1999, that Congress adopt legislation to “prohibit the crediting of nonwork earnings [unauthorized earnings using a fake or restricted SSN] and related quarters of coverage for purposes of benefit entitlement.†The operation of maintaining the suspense account — where all payments go that cannot be matched to an individuals account — and later researching and identifying wages in that account claimed by a worker who has subsequently gained legal work status is costly to the trust fund (as much as $63 million annually).[4]

This approach suggested by the SSA would appear to have the same effect as stipulating that periods of illegal work in the United States may not be counted toward benefits eligibility in a totalization agreement. However, until a provision such as the SSA recommendation is enacted, no further totalization agreements should be agreed to without a provision that excludes unauthorized work.

[1] Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, letter to FAIR, April 28, 2003.

[2] At present, people residing in Mexico who receive SSA benefits must meet all of the requirements for U.S. workers, including to have paid into the SSA system for at least 40 quarters (10 years full-time).

[3] “Congressional Response Report: Social Security Administration Benefits Related to Unauthorized Work,†Social Security Administration, Office of the Inspector General, March 2003.

[4] In tax year 2001, the SSA sent 944,000 “non-match†notices to employers, but this has been scaled back, supposedly for cost reasons. More than 500,000 people with non-valid SSN’s paid into the trust fund in 2000, according to testimony by the Senior Citizens League on September 11, 2003. It was not until September 2002 that the SSA began verifying non-citizen immigration documents prior to issuing an SSN, according to SSA testimony on September 9, 2003.
 
Who needs dirt? How about blood?

Bush's sister-in-law (Jeb) is/was a Mexican national. His brother Neil is about to marry a Mexican national. Is this a factor? You tell me. Who knows what drives this man? A need for power? A need to be loved? Bush chokes up when he talks about the need to "reform immigration;" he has the compulsion of a zealot. For him I suggest the 12-Step Program he never went through--before we are all compelled to pay for his guilts.

That said, what's relevant is that Bush is compromising the future of this country both fiscally and culturally. How do WE benefit from his intended largesse? We don't. He is buying an election (he hopes) with the Social Security system. That system, already weak, has no chance of surviving with half of Latin America set to go on the dole. If Congress goes along with this kind of corrupt pandering, we can all trot out our Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire and sing along chapter by chapter. We are moving, as a nation, into very dark territory.
 
Here are the latest details...

I don't know who Bush is trying to please. It's not enough for the left (nor has any of his pandering on any issue from eduacation to medicare been) and just serves to alienate the conservative base. I heard Rush Limbaugh today talking about how it was the price to pay to destroy the democratic party. I don't understand how you beat somebody by becoming just like them. Like they really expect me to believe that all these new found converts to the republican party will stay if it reverts back to conservative principles?

Jeff




Details of Bush Immigration Plan Outlined
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By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - A plan being proposed by President Bush (news - web sites) would give legal status to foreign workers, including millions already toiling in America's underground economy, removing the fear of deportation but not putting them on a fast track toward permanent U.S. residency.

In a speech Wednesday at the White House, Bush will ask Congress to approve changes to immigration policy, saying they would make the country safer by giving officials a better idea of who is crossing the border, bolster the economy by fulfilling employers' needs and protect illegal workers' rights. Also, in a nod to conservatives who oppose any reward to those who enter the United States illegally, Bush is including in his plan incentives to entice the workers to go back to their homelands.

There are an estimated 8 million to 10 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, perhaps half from Mexico.

Under the Bush proposal, which could smooth relations with Mexico and help Republicans lure Latino voters, foreign workers could apply for legal status for a three-year period if they had U.S. jobs. They could travel to and from the United States and possibly work in the country for additional three-year periods if approved by Congress.

Senior administration officials who outlined the proposal for reporters Tuesday night said the president is calling for an unspecified, but "reasonable," increase in the number of green cards available to workers. However, they said that being part of what is being called the "temporary worker program" would not give foreign workers any advantage to applying for green cards, or permanent residency status — the first step toward obtaining U.S. citizenship.

Immigrant advocacy groups say the president's proposal falls short of comprehensive reform. On the other hand, groups wanting to curb immigration say the president's proposal for a three-year temporary worker plan, rewards foreign workers who broke the law when they entered the United States.

"It's a two-step amnesty," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates strict immigration rules.

"It's not what the folks on the left want, which is a quick green card, but it is an amnesty nonetheless," he said. "It legalizes illegal immigrants and is going to increase the number of green cards so that people will be able to move through the system faster."

"Extremely disappointing," said Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic immigrant advocacy group.

"It's a serious backtracking to where the president was two years ago when the administration was prepared to provide some kind of path to legal status," she said. "They're proposing to invite people to be guest workers without providing any meaningful opportunity to remain in the United States to become legal permanent residents. It appears to be all about rewarding employers who have been hiring undocumented immigrants while offering almost nothing to the workers themselves."

She said that under current immigration law, foreigners who have violated U.S. laws, including entering the country illegally, can be banned from re-entry for three years to life. The White House was unclear whether it wants to waive that law for illegal immigrants who participate in the temporary worker program.

She also argued that there are only 5,000 green cards a year available for unskilled workers and the wait to get one is about 15 years. Congress would have to increase the number of green cards by hundreds of thousands to accommodate the millions of immigrants in the country illegally who would want to work, Munoz said.

The announcement comes just before Bush's scheduled meeting with Mexico's President Vicente Fox (news - web sites) next week at the Summit of the Americas in Monterrey, Mexico. Mexican officials have complained that the administration sought their help to improve border security and combat drug trafficking but failed to respond to pleas for an easing of U.S. immigration policy.

Bush also is expected to broadly discuss giving workers from some countries expanded access to Social Security (news - web sites) benefits, sources familiar with the plan said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Current law generally requires any worker — legal or illegal, citizen or non-citizen — in the United States to have a total of about 10 years of work history to become eligible for Social Security retirement benefits. Under reciprocal agreements the United States has with about 20 nations, some foreign workers are permitted to count work history in their native countries toward the 10 years they need to become eligible for Social Security benefits. These agreements also keep workers and employers from paying taxes into both countries' government retirement systems.

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Associated Press writers Suzanne Gamboa, Leigh Strope and Robert Gehrke contributed to this report.
 
Warning: Ranting ahead!

You know, if the left takes over we will end up like the USSR. So, 60 years after they take over, if we live to tell about it, we can guide our country back to the path of liberty and capitalism. People will see that socialism and communism just dont fly.


Why do people have to experience something that doesnt work to see that it doesnt work, even if they have witnessed others' failure? :rollyeyes: :fire:

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So what is a conservative to do given that so much of what Bush as done with the Patriot Act, runaway federal spending, a willingness to sign an AWB IF it comes his way and now this legalization of illegals to name but a few.

Do I just not vote?

Or....do I do the ultimate...and vote for the Dem no matter how bad they are? That will certainly raise the level of suffering for ALL, lib or conservative, in the most time expedient matter if any of the Dems can win....which is looking more likely as Bush uses incrementalism to run off his base.

I wonder.....

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Selfdfenz has brought up a good point. While I have been pretty supportive of Bush in regards to the WOT and other issues, the signing of McCain-Feingold and Medicare prescription coverage, the fact that he has not vetoed any of the spending bills that have crossed his desk, and now this quasi-amnesty for illegals are rapidly souring my opinion of him. :fire:

While I have thought about the Libertarian party as an alternative, I cannot support their open borders policy. To paraphrase what someone else has so well stated, to have open borders for a welfare state is to drive down the road to national bankruptcy in a Formula 1 car, rather than the family sedan that you are presently in.

FWIW,

emc
 
job = citizenship

Limbaugh thinks this is the price we pay to destroy the Democratic Party? Well, total "genocidal" war is folly, real or sublimated. We don't WANT a one-party control, no matter how wonderful it may appear. We know from history where that goes. I don't want another Tiberius, no matter how much "compassion" he proclaims. Nature prefers variety and adaptiveness, even if the Republic Party of today does not.

I think what Bush has done is to expand the theater of war. Not against another terror-support foreign state but against those Americans who still hew to the core values laid out in our Constitution, call that group what you will.

It is all about political power and money now, and it's right in our faces. Citizenship used to be about more than just holding a job, but globalism doesn't have a human face any more than Socialism or Communism.
 
I think this new Bush immigration policy is admission that we cannot control our borders, and Feds have gave up trying. So, Bush comes up with a complicated quasi-amnesty program full of loopholes and flaws, and is unenforceable.

According to a recent series of article in the Washington Times, there are only 2,000 immigration officers that have been assigned to arrest and deport 400,000 missing illegals under deportation orders, as well as track down, arrest and deport the "estimated" 8 to 14 million illegal aliens in country.

2,000 officers cannot even make a dent in those numbers of illegals. So, what does Bush think his new policy will accomplish other than pandering to Latinos in an election year?

By the way, there are less than 11,000 border patrol officers assigned to protect over 6,000 miles of border with Mexico and Canada. There are only 1,000 BP on the 4,121 mile Canadian border.

In 2000 general election, about 50% (98 million) of the people eligible to vote actually voted. Bush and Gore votes were almost evenly devided. If Bush keeps sticking his finger in the eye of his conservative core supporters based on him being on the wrong side of number of issues, that core may sit out the election as well as not contribute to his campaign. Then, quite possibly, Bush will be a one term President.

Perhaps one way to send Bush a message is this. In the up coming Presidential primaries, if there is another Republican on the ballot other than Bush, vote for the other Republican.
 
We can't control our borders because "we" don't want to, we being our own American elites. We can't seem to control our welfare system either. Nor we can seem to even ask those who arrive here to assimilate themselves. We need to do some serious soul-searching about what's broken down in our culture and who is behind that breakdown.

As for Bush's "compassionate" proposal I consider it effrontery that is consonant with a man who increasingly looks like more show than substance (and, yes, I used to be a Bush backer). No one elected him to give our rights, blood, and treasure away to anyone promising him a vote.

From what I saw of Arnold's State of the State speech yesterday Bush is damn lucky that (so far) Arnold is ineligible to run for the Presidency. I think Arnold would take the nomination and the election in a walk. Whether that's good news or just the other shoe dropping remains to be seen.
 
Be assured the gun-grabbers will find a way to put the AWB on Bush's desk. And, he will sign it.

What is more evil, a Democrat you are knowing what heshe stands for, or a Republican calling himself "passionate conservative", acting like the most leftist Democrats?

I feel totally betrayed by GW Bush (McCain is another one of this ilk). It's the arrogance of power.

This last drop makes a joke out of the "patriot act" and "homeland security. The whole thing is another step in making subjects out of once "free" citizens.

Disgusting :barf:
 
Sorry guys

Yes, many illegals commit crimes and are here to milk the welfare system. However, that is a tiny minority of the illegal immigrant population.

People are falling for the old "blame the foreigners and other different people" when things get tough. It is a trend that goes back to the Roman Empire, one that has been commented upon and critiqued for nearly 2000 years.

That being said, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GIVE ANY BENEFITS TO illegals who aren't employed. But I do think we should blame the corporations whose execs make hundreds of millions and who would rather hire illegals than documented workers because it is cheaper. Our entire agricultural system is built around illegal labor.

If you are a white male in the United States who doesn't live along the border with Mexico, corporate scandals and corruption (white collar crime) are FARE MORE OF A THREAT TO YOU than minorities, illegal immigrants or affirmative action. We are just taught to see them as a threat because they are "different' or "browner" or "a threat to our culture". People who say that know very little about the history of American immigration. They gripe that "they don't want to learn our language", while our Polish, Italian and German ancestors took on average 2 generations to assimilate. They say that "they just want to take our money and take it out of the country" and forget that 100 years ago 50% of Italian immigrants left the US to go back to Italy once they had made enough money to buy land there. They claim that these immigrants "aren't like the ones we used to have" or are somehow inferior, forgetting that for almost a century the Irish were viewed as sub-human, inferior, and a different race with "scientific" studies to back up those claims. Today there are 80 million Americans with those "inferior" genes.

BTW, I work a lot with construction/industrial trades and I can say that Mexicans in particular are entering the industry in large numbers. However, I can also say there is a HUGE shortage of labor in this area in places like Baton Rouge and Jacksonville, and Houston. Immigrants are therefore attracted to those trades. I recently attended a workshop for an industrial trade where they were complaining that the Mexicans had already "left their trade" to move up to more prosperous ones, and they had no-one to hire.

I am NOT SAYING that illegal immigration is a good thing, or that illegal immigrants benefit society, or that there are no problems with our borders. However, the much of the hysteria is apalling and so blatantly a product of propaganda.
 
Well, when the Irish, Italians, Poles, Germans, etc., came here, there was not a welfare state to hand out food stamps, free medical care (at the hospital emergency rooms), free bilingual education and so on.

I am aware that a large percentage of Italian and east European immigrants went back home, but maybe it was also the case that they found out that the America of those days did not really have streets paved with gold, and they preferred to live in poverty in their homeland rather than in a foreign land.

It is said that 20% of the people in America today is foreign born. And according to the Dept. of Justice, 30% of the people in prisons and jails are foreign born. And that is with a welfare state. That tells me something right there.
 
Forgot to mention that the 30% of foreign born in our prisons and jails represents 600,000 people. Not exactly a tiny fraction.
 
Immigration pre-welfare state is a whole different bag. You can't compare, economically, what went on a hundred years ago with today.

This is about more than economics, however; it's about acculturation. A multicultural and multilingual America is not going to hold together. Immigrants today don't have to assimilate any more. How long do you think, for example, that English-speaking American citizens are going to be willing to subsidize people who have no desire to be the same kind of Americans they are? We are moving toward the precipice; it's not far ahead. Personally, I see a Bosnia in the making, starting with California. Perhaps Bush will be remembered as the man who brought tribal warfare back home rather than abolishing it abroad.

A hundred years ago there used to be a lot of Black tradespeople. Where are they today? All this is great for Mexicans, but where are the Black tradesman pounding nails and laying bricks? I live in L.A. I don't see any. Blacks are being frozen out of these kinds of jobs. That's wrong.
 
well said cloudkiller

I am a second generation Italian/Scottish-American. My grandfathere were unskilled/lowskilled laborers/tradesman.

I live in Atlanta, which has one of the fastest growing latino populations in the nation. I enjoy these immigrants and see them working hard or trying to work hard to build lives for them and their families, they same way my ancestors did.

I dont see too many southern boys out there in august, roofing houses from 7 am to 9 pm. But the mexican guys do it. Do you know what that does ... It makes the contractor build houses faster, it allows the Builder to sell his houses faster, it allows the bank to recoup there money faster. It allows you to borrow that money at a low rate because the bank gets it back faster.

Illegal immigration is a large problem, I know this. But the majority of these people want to work, to better their lives, live in our America.

I am not sure how I feel about this plan yet, but fellow THR do not blame the immigrant that wants to improve his world, our founding fathers did the same thing.
 
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Bush is giving his standard "I will put William Shatner to shame while saying nothing" speech.

Maybe I cought it late, but I havent heard anything that says what will happen.


"...Border crossings" YOu heard it here first. Our borders are swiss cheese without legal repurcussions for violating them.

Wait, now he is saying that our border has to be secure. My god, this guy is full of hypocrisy.:scrutiny: :fire:

Significantly increased the border patrol by 1000 agents and border safety. Asking Canadian and Mexican .gov's to help 'secure' the borders. So not only are we getting the Fox (pun intended) to guard the henhouse, but we are pluging a gaping hole in a submarine at 2000ft deep with cotton balls. Lovely.:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:


Temporary worker visas. Great. He is condoning the jobs not only going over seas, but also to non-US citizens in-country and not to those who need money and who didnt spent gobs training for it IN COUNTRY. I want to scream and seek blood pressure medication.

My prediction: A sudden increase in the unemployment rate, the economy going to crap, and everyone not knowing what to do because our two party system has become one party, but with two different names.


PS: Now he wants illegals to take skills and $$$ gained in the States to go back to their home country and INCREASE THEIR GDP, NOT OURS.

PPS: He says that violators of immigration laws shouldnt be made citizens. My lord, this hypocrite is infuriating.
 
We're a "welcoming society" :rolleyes:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107644,00.html




I don't know how we can afford A) the WOT, B) even more handouts to old folks RE: prescription drug benefits and C) giving SS benefits to foreigners, illegal ones at that, when we likely won't be able to pay the benefits of US citizens in 30 years or so.

:rolleyes:
 
But I do think we should blame the corporations whose execs make hundreds of millions and who would rather hire illegals than documented workers because it is cheaper.
How can you blame someone for going after the better deal? Any capitalist would hire the guy who is willing to do the job for a lower wage, benefits, and with less .gov hassle.

Has anyone else noticed that most politicians and the three or four biggest parties are all in favor of open borders?
 
OUR America..??

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I dont see too many southern boys out there in august, roofing houses from 7 am to 9 pm. But the mexican guys do it. Do you know what that does ... It makes the contractor build houses faster, it allows the Builder to sell his houses faster, it allows the bank to recoup there money faster. It allows you to borrow that money at a low rate because the bank gets it back faster. (who is going to buy these homes when the middle class is gone??)

Illegal immigration is a large problem, I know this. But the majority of these people want to work, to better their lives, live in our America.
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I can see why some might romantize "illegal immigration". I think the word illegal may mean "like goin over the speed limit" to some.

The mexicans will do work americans wont do?? I dont think so. Americans wont work for the low pay mexicans are willing to work. Thus the "trade jobs" pay far less to mexicans and they will not be able to live in the houses they build. Goodby middle class.

Check it out..mexicans & central american immigrants sent "home" over 14 Billion last year.

These folks aint here to become Americans...(most dont want to be Americans..they have loyality to Mexico first) they came for our jobs..and they are getting em..and some think that is fine.

How bad can it be if they do take our jobs..so what eh!!

Remember..the Mayor of Los Angeles declared: Los Angeles is a Mexican City!

Coming soon to a city/state near you..Mexifornia

wolf
 
One of the Islamic terrorists that tried to blow the World Trade Center in NYC in 1993 gained amnesty during the 1986 mass amnesty program. He told the Feds he was an agricutltural worker. What was that? Six dead and 1,000 injured.
 
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