Concealed Carry, a little bit serious?

[Dreamcast270mhz]

I've read a lot of posts on here about people stating things like: "I don't feel safe without my gun on my person." and "I won't eat there, I can't carry my gun inside". That seems a little much, considering we are not in some lawless wild west town where everyone has a revolver in a holster, and gets drunk at a saloon and starts shooting people. Do you really feel that unsafe? I kind of just shrug off the notion, as I'm pretty laid back, but I think CC in a bar or other place selling alcohol is asking for trouble. At the very least, you should have to declare you are carrying to the staff and not be served any alcohol, but thats probably because I grew up in a bar and grill where lots of fights would break out, and I look back and say " What if a gun was involved? I, my family or bystanders could be injured or killed very easily. Maybe I'm thinking too deeply?

 

[conw]

You are going to start a big debate with this, everyone vs you. Their point will be: bad guys don't heed signs or rules. I take a strictly libertarian view of this. It is wrong to make possession of a gun in a given circumstance illegal or prohibit it (though I concede to property rights) on the grounds it will "lead to something."

Personally I go so far as to say it should be legal to have a gun on you if drunk, unless you hurt someone unjustly. Then you should be charged for your actions with whatever degree of negligence taken into account. I do not drink, by the way.

 

[Dreamcast270mhz]

I'm not trying to be confrontational, nor spark a debate, I just want CC people's take on it.

 

[MICHAEL T]

I out grew drinking about 20 years ago I found better things to spend money on than booze. Bars are trouble best to just stay a way from them. But if you in a nice restaurant and desire a drink with your meal why should you not be allowed to carry . Not see a lot of falling down drunks or fights in a nice restaurant that serves . Seen many fights and been in a few in a BAR. Bars are trouble.

 

[Dreamcast270mhz]

^ I can respect that. If I ever carry, and decide to go out have a drink, whether with dinner or otherwise, I'm just going to not take any chances and leave the gun at home.

 

[IBEWBULL]

Well Wisconsin is finally on the edge of honoring our constitution.
It is about time. I have been living here since 1976 and was wondering if legal concealed carry would ever pass.
The misdomener penality which has been on the books for so long is out dated and it is high time the real criminals had real penalities, a felony charge.
Note the other states who have carry provisions have felony penalities for illegal carry.
Now the honest law abiding citizen will have the option and ability to defend his life and family if need should arise. Both within the state and while traveling across the border to MN or MI, IL is still a hold out on passage of CCW althought an officer told me in Rockford informed me you can carry concealed on private property, IE hotel/motel property. Long story here which I will not get into now.
As for your remark about not eating at a resturant which denys CCW on site.
I prefer to spend my money where my option is honored. I will not go into a place which denies this and fatten their purse.
I am not worried about bar patrons packing anymore with a permit than without.
As soon as the requirements are known I will be putting my aplication in.
Well I wandered in my post a bit and I hope you will forgive me that one.
Have a great day and keep your powder dry.
Steve

 

[22-rimfire]

.... but I think CC in a bar or other place selling alcohol is asking for trouble. At the very least, you should have to declare you are carrying to the staff and not be served any alcohol, but thats probably because...

My opinion... I agree with much you said as I am not a big carry person and it makes little difference to me if I can legally carry in a bar, club, or restaurant where alcohol is served. But frankly, the bad guys will carry anyway. So if you can legally carry, it is a personal choice.

If a club or restaurant posts a sign making it illegal to carry in their establishment, it makes little difference to me in terms of whether or not I do business with them. Again, I am not a big carry person. But I can if I choose to. That's important to me.

I do not agree with the declaring portion of your post, even a little.

We have been through this in Tennessee. I don't think the bars and clubs have turned into the wild west since the law was passed. I know that it is a current legislative deal in Ohio and that has brought out usual faces on the news to "discuss".

I have heard that some restaurants and clubs would prefer to make it illegal to carry in their establishment. They are trying to get the city to make some changes because they don't want to have customers blame them that they can not carry if they choose to. Some folks simply won't do business with them if they post signs outside an establishment. So the owners are hesitant to post signs even if they disagree with law.

 

[kis2]

I agree with the aboves about not getting drunk with guns and staying away from places where nothing good happens anyway.

How about this train of thought: chili's serves alcohol, and in fact, has a bar. I go in for some nachos and steak in a booth. Why can't I have a gun again? Doesn't make sense to me.

Do I still eat there? Yes, but not as often. When I go, do I carry anyway? Nope, law abiding American. Am I still in some way armed? you bet.

 

[Davey Wavey]

At the very least, you should have to declare you are carrying to the staff and not be served any alcohol,

No. What's in my pockets is none of their business.

 

[Dreamcast270mhz]

Yeah i was kind of thinking out loud when I typed that. I can understand the option can be important, but I tend to think of people who have those policies not as anti gun, just thinking they're protecting themselves and I think thats totally acceptable, considering how uncommon a restaurant shooting really is.

 

[Kleanbore]

...I grew up in a bar and grill where lots of fights would break out,...

A good place to stay away from.

 

[Dnaltrop]

The nice thing about being a teetotaling-designated driver, There is no loss of cognitive function that would make my carrying my CCW a threat to anyone not directly engaging in an act of aggression against myself or those people I value.

Muggers love late night restaurant parking lots... Bars at 2 am... My wife loves her Karaoke, and rather than driving drunk, we leave her beater car overnight, and I get EVERYONE home safely.

As most of her social friends are Insurance people, I'd be grossly negligent to be unarmed, should someone with a chip on their shoulder be at the cusp of "doing something". (That fellow who spent months in a back brace claiming to be unable to move, only to have his Ex mail us the video of them jumping ATV's at the sand dunes for example, people find outlets for rage. )

I'd say a bar or situations like that are the very reason to carry a concealed weapon, if you can trust yourself to drink in moderation.

 

[tangomike706]

If I'm carrying , I decline to drink , period . but I have no issue being in a place that serves alcohol, and being armed. bad things can happen anywhere and If the need to defend myself arises, I would prefer to have all options on the table, in order to do so , I forgo drinking in virtually every instance.

 

[Dreamcast270mhz]

Kleanbore
I know that now. Growing up there was a learning experience for sure, and I think now I know how stupid they are I feel I'm less likely to go there.

 

[EddieNFL]

^ I can respect that. If I ever carry, and decide to go out have a drink, whether with dinner or otherwise, I'm just going to not take any chances and leave the gun at home.

A man's got to know his limitations.

 

[tooltech]

In my experience, I am far less likely to need a gun, or any other means of self-defense, if I have the means to defend myself on my person. In other words, in the last several years, the only times I've had confrontations that had the potential to escalate, have been when I've been unarmed. Sometimes a carload of punks, sometimes a drunk in a bar.

So, I choose to always have the means to defend myself.

As to going to a bar, restaurant, etc, why should I be at someones mercy, just because I chose to go out to eat?

If one cannot control themselves while drinking, or cannot control their drinking, by all means go unarmed. But there is no reason to infringe my rights.

 

[kis2]

"I think thats totally acceptable, considering how uncommon a restaurant shooting really is."

If they are so uncommon, why would you need a sign denying CC?

 

[Unistat]

It's already illegal in Michigan to carry with a blood alcohol level of .02 or above. Having bars on the PFZ list (which they are) is redundant.

 

[orionengnr]

Actually, the way your poll is worded, combined with the way your post is worded, makes it utterly unintelligible. And I'd like to know where you live, and what your state's laws are. Hope they make more sense than your post.

As such, I cannot vote (because it would contribute only to further idiocy/confusion).

But let me try to make some lemonade from your lemons...

Our state laws prohibit me from drinking while carrying. Well, I can enjoy dinner while carrying, then go home and enjoy a beer. I am of an age where I will not be out all night.

Yes, I am seriously dedicated to exercizing my Second Amendment rights, every day of what life I have left.

I don't recall the Constitution giving me a right to drink. So I will respect the laws established by the state where I live, and abide by same.

If I were 21 years old and considered drinking more important than anything else, my outlook might be different. But those days are long gone, if in fact they ever existed...

 

[Dreamcast270mhz]

A free country works both ways, private property means its theirs to deny. I think its acceptable because its well within their rights. Conversely you can choose not to eat there if you don;t agree, thats how I see it. But If I was carrying and a door says no guns I would just go with the flow, go put it back in my car.

 

[Fred_G]

I am going to apply for my CC permit soon. I would not patronize a place that did not allow CC. My exception might be a bar, but I don't go to those anymore. My friends and I have an unwritten rule, when the first beers come out of the fridge, the guns are put up. Not that they can't be reached if needed.

I would not CC if out on the town and drinking. Just my personal thoughts. If I have had a few drinks, and someone tries to break in my home, I have no issue using a gun to defend.

"That seems a little much, considering we are not in some lawless wild west town where everyone has a revolver in a holster, and gets drunk at a saloon and starts shooting people. Do you really feel that unsafe?"

It is better to have and not need, than to need and not have. I recall one instance in a Texas restaurant where a woman watched her parents get killed, and had a gun in her car...

"Responding to the massacre,[5] in 1995 the Texas Legislature passed a shall-issue gun law, which requires that all qualifying applicants be issued a Concealed Handgun License (the state's required permit to carry concealed weapons), removing the personal discretion of the issuing authority to deny such licenses. The law had been campaigned for by Suzanna Hupp, who was present at the Luby's massacre where both of her parents were shot and killed. Hupp later expressed regret for obeying the law by leaving her firearm in her car rather than keeping it on her person in an establishment that served alcohol.[6] Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws, and was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996.[7] The law was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush.[8]"

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

Wild West, or lunch at a local place?

Interesting discussion.

 

[Dreamcast270mhz]

I'm glad we can keep civilized discussion here. Lets keep it that way.

 

[kis2]

"A free country works both ways, private property means its theirs to deny."

I get that and respect that, but do you see how the act of denying CC may be just a little illogical in the context of your statement?

It all goes back to the very first reply in this thread by conwict: bad guys don't care about the signs and I'm not getting drunk anyways.

 

[Dreamcast270mhz]

I can see that. i'm just not the type of guy to make a big fuss about whether they allow carrying or not.

 

[leadcounsel]

Why should law abiding citizens be disarmed preemtively for no good reason? Sure, certain areas such as jails, courts, etc. But in public? A restaurant? I nearly almost always refuse to spend my money there.