Unlicensed Concealed Carry

[Boanerge]

I go back and forth a bit.

IMO, in a perfect world, open carry would be the accepted norm and available to all sane, adult, non-felons. With open carry, the people who deal with the gun carrier KNOW he's armed and can take his actions and demeanor into consideration in their dealing with him.

But concealed carry, because it denies others the information about whether or not a person is armed that they could use to adjust their dealings with him, should demand a higher standard of training and preparation because it comes with a higher set of responsibilities.
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I agree

 

[Janitor]

But concealed carry, because it denies others the information about whether or not a person is armed that they could use to adjust their dealings with him, should demand a higher standard of training and preparation because it comes with a higher set of responsibilities.

What higher set of responsibilities?

Why would you treat me any differently if you knew I had a sidearm? More respect? More fear? Attack me first in the holdup?

 

[Eric F]

here in Va the licens is nothing more than an inconvience to the public and a revenue generator for the localities.

How many times in the news do you see someone charged with carrying a concealed weapon unless they're already up to no good, such as on the run after robbing a store or killing someone?

well just couldnt let it go a man was charged and convicted having a loaded gun in a national forest in VA while simply driving threw the park on a public road, there was something over in legal on it.

 

[Harve Curry]

From the beginning of this surge for CCW I have always said that CCW Permits were:
Exchanging your Right or a revocable permit that you have to pay for, that it has an expiration date, then you have to pay again. The fee's vary and can be increased. It is the ultimate form of firearms registering and yourself.

I had the opportunity once to ask the NRA's Tanya Metaska and her reply was "we wanted to be able to carry concealed in our lifetimes and a ccw permit is do-able, fighting for Vermont style carry was not."
The Constitution and it's Bill of Rights is law made up from the defintion of it's words. "..shall not be infringed.", says it all and it should have been fought for. To me that was a sell out.

 

[Phil DeGraves]

Increased responsibility requires increased training.

And the Government bureacrats that have no understanding of guns or self defense are going to set the standard on just what training is "adequate" or "required"?

Have you looked at police training lately and seen how woefully inadequate and unrealistic that is?

It is up to the carrier of the piece to get training, not the government to mandate it. If the carrier of the piece does not get training then they are putting themselves at risk and should they mess up they will be held accountable. That is the price of LIBERTY.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

But concealed carry, because it denies others the information about whether or not a person is armed that they could use to adjust their dealings with him, should demand a higher standard of training and preparation because it comes with a higher set of responsibilities.

Huh???

Please explain why any less responsibility is involved in carrying a deadly weapon where it's visible as opposed to carrying it where it is not visible.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

I'm not sure but I don't believe any state prohibits outside plain view carry.

Your belief is VERY incorrect. Many states prohibit open carry. Some states don't allow it even if you have a concealed carry permit.

 

[bogie]

Given that a sizable portion of members here seem to be scofflaw criminals (the "concealed is concealed, and damn the regulations" crowd), I have to wonder which direction we're headed.

 

[Harve Curry]

Bogie,
It should be noted that just because 80% of THR viewers realize a CCW permit is unconstitutional Doesn't make them " scofflaw criminals ". Some may even have the CCW Permit, and most if any don't carry concealed, I don't.

 

[bogie]

Nope - Over 50% of the users disregard "No carry allowed" signs.

 

[OAKVILLE SHOOTER]

Why should we have to pay money to exercise a Constitutional right?

 

[Phil DeGraves]

Over 50% of the users disregard "No carry allowed" signs.

"No carry allowed" signs reflect a policy of that particular retailer, not a law (except in a Govt. building like a Post office or court house). I can legally disregard someones policy (not that I would shop there anyway)until I am asked to leave at which time, if I do not I would be trespassing, not carrying illegally.

 

[308win]

"No carry allowed" signs reflect a policy of that particular retailer, not a law ...

Not in Ohio; the ORC specifically makes it an illegal act to carry on premises that is posted.

 

[sprithitler]

I feel that you shouldnt treat people differently when they are obviously armed, than when they aren't, you should be polite att all times anyway. All forms of licensing are only problematic for law abiding citizens, while not affecting criminals in the slightest.
Allow all non felons to carry, OC or CC is up to the individual.
Make sure that Felons are only those that the common armed man considers to be Felons. The way i understand it the Concept of Felony have been broadened in the last forty years or something.

 

[bogie]

The way I see it, no matter which state you're in, from Alaska to Vermont to Texas to Illinois to Florida to Hawaii, if a store has a sign that says that gun owners are not welcome, then you shouldn't darken the threshold with your presence.

And you should let the management know about it too. Because if Jared's has a sign, then Joe's Hometown Jewelers may think that they need a sign too... And before you know it, they're everywhere...

 

[blackcash88]

I'm not sure but I don't believe any state prohibits outside plain view carry.

You couldn't be more wrong. Heck, two of the biggest pro-gun states in the country prohibit "general" open carry (not talking about on private property). Texas and Florida. You're also forgetting about Wisconsin and Illinois where even concealed carry is prohibited since they don't even issue carry permits.