considering sound when shooting inside a house

[Kleanbore]

Posted by Potatohead: All my markings on the case would be the same. Duh, I did forget, you'll still most likely have ammo left in your gun..but still, they would check bullet and powder..? I didn't figure they would.

Your question was "When people are always talking about not using your reloads for legal reasons, how would they know? As long as all of your brass was the same brand...or am I missing something and about to feel really stupid when someone answers the question?"

The answer was "extra cartridges left in the gun, bullets, powder, primer, markings on the case...".

The markings-toolmarks--on reloaded cases will identify them as such.

The primary reason for the microscopic forensic evidence of cases, primers, and so forth is something different, however. The purpose is to prove that the cases found at the scene were in fact fired in that gun, and that the bullets that stuck or missed the victim were fired from it.

We've drifted off topic, but you did ask.

Let's get back on topic.

 

[freyasman]

Do you have a factual basis for that assertion, or are you referring to the effects of bullet wounds on that person?

I have been shot at numerous times and I am familiar with the disorienting, psychological effect of being under fire, especially at close range. I also have spent several decades using a 357 magnum, and it is the handgun I am most competent with. My assertion is an opinion, but it is based on a lot of personal experience.

 

[Potatohead]

Your question was "When people are always talking about not using your reloads for legal reasons, how would they know? As long as all of your brass was the same brand...or am I missing something and about to feel really stupid when someone answers the question?"

The answer was "extra cartridges left in the gun, bullets, powder, primer, markings on the case...".

The markings-toolmarks--on reloaded cases will identify them as such.

The primary reason for the microscopic forensic evidence of cases, primers, and so forth is something different, however. The purpose is to prove that the cases found at the scene were in fact fired in that gun, and that the bullets that stuck or missed the victim were fired from it.

We've drifted off topic, but you did ask.

Let's get back on topic.

K thx

 

[Blue Thunder]

Take all these close encounters with gunshot noise into a car during a Gun Fighting Course. I had such an encounter 3 years ago on a course that had us shooting from around, over and thru the passenger window from the drivers seat. On the second time around (we drove our own cars on the range for the drill) I did the first drill out of the drivers door, moved to last in line and removed my electronic headphones. Over time I was first in line, rolled down the driver and passenger window as I was lined up on the targets. Instructor said ready, ... Fight. No head phones on, drew gun and fired 4 rounds thru the open passenger window. Never flinched but it was loud and my ears rang for a while. The truth is that if you have to shoot in a "Social Setting" you will not have ears or eyes on and you need to be ready for the collateral issues that MAY occur when it goes down.

 

[Panzerschwein]

In regards to the OP, this is one of the reasons why I am considering using a Beretta CX4 Storm 9mm carbine for home defense. With today's advanced premium +P+ jacketed hollow points and a 30 round magazine I really fail to see how this would be much worse than an AR-15 in the close confines of a home.

While staying on topic, there are more hearing friendly options than an AR-15 for home defense that could be equally effective if not superior. After having my ear defenders fall off during qualification on an M16A2 with about 30 other members firing all around me I really started to consider how that might feel at 2 AM fighting off sleep inertia.

 

[henschman]

My main HD gun is a long gun, so muffs are a no go (they interfere with cheek weld). Hearing loss is just not something I worry much about in that situation. I would much rather use that time to get into a good defensible position ASAP.

 

[Deer_Freak]

In a home defense situation your hearing will be protected by adrenaline. I get a mild adrenaline boost when shooting game, nothing like a fight or flight response, my ears don't ring at all after emptying a 30/06 or a shotgun while hunting. If I did the same thing while target practicing I would be going "huh?" for two weeks.

 

[Bentonville]

I don't think there is any real " adrenaline protection" as such. It's true that the brain won't be as distracted by the loud noise at the time due to the focus, adrenaline rush, etc. but the physiology of the ear doesn't change in tense situations. The cilia are still damaged and the hearing loss is still there. It is cumulative. Over time the damage mounts up and tinnitus and deafness will eventually occur if hearing is not protected. One loud blast from a firearm in a closed room or hallway will cause permanent damage. Nothing short of hearing protection will prevent that damage from occurring. I am mentally prepared to accept that damage if I have to use a gun in self-defense. I just hope it never happens.

 

[Kleanbore]

In a home defense situation your hearing will be protected by adrenaline

That's simply untrue, and it is irresponsible to spread that around.

 

[henschman]

I've experienced that adrenaline reaction. I fired a 7.62x51 indoors and never noticed my ears ringing at all. I was probably just so jacked on adrenaline that it didn't register. I'm sure it does the same amount of damage to your hearing regardless. I definitely have some hearing loss FWIW. Not necessarily just from that time, but all the other times I've fired without ear pro. I've also been shooting, not noticing my ears hurting or ringing or anything, only to realize I had lost my ear pro, and had been firing without it most of at time.

 

[sonick808]

i keep my peltor tac sports with my gun in the house. If I have any chance of anticipating a problem, they go on.

 

[JohnKSa]

In a home defense situation your hearing will be protected by adrenaline.

A friend of mine killed a felon in an indoor exchange of gunfire. Two shots were fired, one of which was a full-house .357Mag. Although there was no ringing, there was immediate hearing impairment to the point that the smoke detector which went off immediately overhead went unnoticed for several minutes. In addition, some of the hearing loss was permanent.

Even when your ears don't ring and even when you can't immediately tell your hearing has been affected, damage is still taking place when you fire a gun without hearing protection. In fact, if you shoot a lot, you are likely accumulating some hearing damage even if you use hearing protection. Gunfire is VERY loud.

 

[Panzerschwein]

In a home defense situation your hearing will be protected by adrenaline. I get a mild adrenaline boost when shooting game, nothing like a fight or flight response, my ears don't ring at all after emptying a 30/06 or a shotgun while hunting. If I did the same thing while target practicing I would be going "huh?" for two weeks.

That's just not a good idea to be doing that without ear protection! It will catch up with you.

 

[CraigC]

In a home defense situation your hearing will be protected by adrenaline. I get a mild adrenaline boost when shooting game, nothing like a fight or flight response, my ears don't ring at all after emptying a 30/06 or a shotgun while hunting. If I did the same thing while target practicing I would be going "huh?" for two weeks.

As has been said, this is utter nonsense and it is irresponsible to spread it. While you may not notice the noise, it is a psychological phenomenon. There is nothing your brain can do to prevent physical damage to your hearing. Period.

If you empty your .30/06 or shotgun in the field and your ears don't ring, you already have measurable hearing damage.

 

[Outlaw Man]

I've been around two NDs inside a house - both were 9mm.

One was immediately adjacent. My ears rang for probably 5 minutes after. Honestly, the flash would probably be worse if you fired at night. Multiple shots would be worse. I don't know how many it would take to reach severe discomfort or extreme damage, but I don't plan on having a range session inside my house, either.

The other was with two walls directly between, but the doors were open. Honestly it sounded like someone dropping a pot or skillet in the kitchen next to you. I wouldn't be terribly worried about kids in another room. Well, not hearing damage, anyway.

That said, there's no harm in taking precautions. I think a suppressor would be a great addition to any home defense weapon.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Even when your ears don't ring and even when you can't immediately tell your hearing has been affected, damage is still taking place when you fire a gun without hearing protection. In fact, if you shoot a lot, you are likely accumulating some hearing damage even if you use hearing protection. Gunfire is VERY loud.

Very true, and it continues to amaze me the amount of people that think and preach otherwise.