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[ieszu]

You were in ROTC? You have NO idea what the experience is like. NONE!

Aguila Blanca - I never meant to insinuate that I had any form of real boot camp training, just that I had some experience as to what might be entailed, perhaps a little more than someone who just read a book on it.


Jeff White - Thank you for your help, that cleared up the entire discussion we had.

 

[ieszu]

Since my question has been answered (and I am the OP), perhaps the mods can close this?

 

[Shung]

very interesting.

We had exactly the same debat in switzerland, last month. (because of 4 dead airforce soldiers practicing rafting on duty, and these guys were also part of a paramilitary organisation)

At the moment, there is NOTHING that forbid that kind of group training in Switzerland...

To me, forbidding, would mean that the government don't trust its citizen anymore.. which would also mean that the government is somewhere doing wrong things..

 

[MiddleAgedKen]

Considering you could separately take both martial arts and IDPA training, what is the use of paramilitary training? I suspect your clientele would consist of mostly white-supremacist types, middle-aged soldier-wannabees, and the one normal high-school kid who thought he'd go for a "boot camp" experience and get to shoot some guns.

You forgot the federal provocateurs and confidential informants.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Jeff White

This Oklahoma Statute...

Oklahoma. OKLA. STAT. ANN. tit. 21, s 1321.10.​

...is not correct. The closest thing to this is Title 21, s 1320.10, and only forbids such activity as training for use in a riot or other civil disorder. These statutes say nothing about training for use in a militia.

Woody

 

[Art Eatman]

Closed per OP request.

 

[3fgburner]

18.2-433, in Virginia, specifically outlaws paramilitary activity for purposes of civil disturbance. Unless you're actually training with the intent of doing criminal stuff, you're good to go.

 

[ctdonath]

-Georgia. GA. CODE ANN. ss 38-2-277, 16-11-150 to -152.

That section does not prohibit such organizations. It only bans training in use of illegal arms, and that in furtherance of a civil disorder, riot, or insurrection.

Closed per OP request.

Thankfully not closed, as there is more to discuss.

 

[Master Blaster]

Membership in private paramilitary groups is prohibited by law in 28 states. Paramilitary training is prohibited in 26 states IIRC.

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So the Boy Scouts of America is illegal in those states???

 

[Sergeant Sabre]

Not a lawyer, but here's my take on the relevant Michigan law:

750.528a Firearm or explosive or incendiary device; teaching or demonstrating use, application, or construction in furtherance of civil disorder; unlawful assembly; applicability of section; violation as felony.

(1) As used in this section:

(a) “Civil disorder” means any public disturbance involving the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device by 3 or more assembled persons which causes an immediate danger to, or which results in damage or injury to, any property or person.

(2) A person shall not teach or demonstrate to another person the use, application, or construction of any firearm, or any explosive or incendiary device, if that person knows, has reason to know, or intends that what is taught or demonstrated will be used in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder.

(3) A person shall not assemble with 1 or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, or any explosive or incendiary device, if that person intends to use such a firearm or device in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder.

From that, it appears that civilian military-type training is not illegal in Michigan per se . Training a person if you have reason to believe that they will use that knowledge in the course of a civil disorder is.

The fact that we have a huge "militia" in Michigan (the Michigan Militia. Heard of 'em?), and that they operate camps and training facilities makes me think that my above interpretation is correct.

 

[Justin]

It appears the first attempt to close per the OP's request didn't take.