Someone Pulls a Gun On You and You're Unarmed!

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"Don't go unarmed."

Its the easy answer because its the one that denies the original question. Hence, its not an answer at all.

Fact is, I'm very routinely going to not have a gun with me. I live in Wisconsin, so that's how it goes. But I will have a knife.

If I'm alone, perp gets what he wants. If there are people with me, he gets what he wants until he wants one of the people.

Like I said, Ive got a knife. I have no training with it. I have only a rudimentary idea of how I'm going to put it to use. I would guess that most folks on the street are like me in that respect.

If he says "come with me," as soon as the words escape his lips I'm going to rush him, try to get underneath his gun quickly, and stab and slash until he's hamburger, as quickly as my muscles can manage it. I'll probably get shot in the process, maybe more than once. But if I'm still alive, I'll be fighting him and the rest of my party will be running. If I'm lucky and I'm with the right people, another one will engage him as well and we'll win.

Honestly, I don't know of any other method of defending against a gun attack. I'm not trained to grab a gun. If I'm really crazy lucky, he's got a semiauto and I might be able to push back the slide when I charge so he doesn't shoot me right away.

Bottom line is, you're in a desperate situation if you're unarmed against someone with a gun. I'm not going to pretend like I know a flawless way out of it.
 
Like I said, Ive got a knife. I have no training with it. I have only a rudimentary idea of how I'm going to put it to use. I would guess that most folks on the street are like me in that respect.
Knives are only useful in immediately stopping someone if training and very precise knowledge of anatomy or a very big knife is used. You must view every action done as having a particular purpose in disabling a specific body part or organ. People only die quickly from them in movies, and random cuts and slashes or even deep stabs are only going to cause serious blood loss, not stop the attack or the danger your target is posing soon enough that the gun will not have the final say.
That said a blade can more precisely and quickly disable or stop the function of any particular part of the anatomy than even a firearm if used with precision. However it is up close and dirty without the advantages afforded with a ranged weapon. It also requires knowing a great many vulnerable points as your prefered one may not present itself immediately and your ability to make us of others is key to quick blade fighting. The amount of strength (smooth controlled tendon strength not just strength of large muscles) required in your grip and followthrough in blade fighting is hard to overstate. Do not attack someone with a knife if you do not know what your doing and they have a gun unless your sure your going to die anyways. Knives require a high amount of precision to be effective quickly enough to end such a threat unless it is such a large knife that it damages a lot irregardless, but I doubt your walking down the street with a small sword. Simple random slashing and stabbing may cause them to expire shortly after, but not quickly enough to save yourself, and likely the responding EMTs would save him from such wounds, but you would have long been shot.
 
Likely, but as I said, if I'm lucky someone will help.

I'd be operating under the assumption that if I don't fight back, even pathetically as I would, someone else would surely die along with me.

Like I said, my options aren't great. They suck. I know that. But they're all I've got at this point.

Knife training would help. Can't afford it.

A gun would help. Can't carry one.

Mace wouldn't help. Don't have it anyway.

You fight with what you have, not what you wish you had.
 
Here is another useful trick you can do with your eyes when dealing with a perp.

I would fight if danger is imminent or if I have the opportunity right away. One thing that might work very well to distract his attention is to stare at some imaginary thing behind him, with your eyes goggling wide as if in horror or shock. The perp will see your eyes, and his natural instinct is to look behind himself at whatever you might be staring at. Once he looks away, pounce on him. Grab his gun arm, kick him hard several times in the testicles. Make sure you are out of the line of the gun though, because once you grab his gun arm, he will fire.

If you can, seize the gun away from him. Don't shoot him or anything, but hold it by the barrel, and beat the perp in the head with it until he lies still. That way, you can avoid firing shots, but kick him as well as beat him, because in the process of beating him, he might still try to get his gun back.

Sometimes, beating with a blunt object have a more lasting impression than a bullet. A bullet in the right place is of course, a perfect stopper, but what if you hit him in the arm or leg. I watched a show on Primetime, I think, about a female gangbanger who was shot by rivals in the arm. Not only she lived to tell about it, she also proudly showed it off to the TV cameras, entry and exit wound. If you did that to the punk who is threatening you, they might still function enough to seriously hurt you and later brag about the bullet wound to their buddies. No matter how calm you think you are, it will be quite difficult to function properly in such adrenaline.
Beat him viciously in the head with his own gun, however, is something else. He will have a shattered jaw, horribly disfigured face, and brain damage IF he survives the encounter. Especially if he is also threatening to kill or hurt your family member or friend, or a child.

Many times, I chose my LeMat as my principle weapon, because it is a double edged sword. The weapon is absolutely heavy and rugged. I can shoot the perp if he has a gun aimed at me. If he just robs me and leave, I will likely not harm him, but report him to the police afterward. However, if I have the slightest instinct that this might be an abduction or something, I can either pull it out and shoot him, or swing it like a medieval mace and crush his head to a pulp with the buttstock of the gun. My 1911 is relatively lightweight, and I love heavy things.
If a perp says "come with me", I will simply go berserk and smash his head as hard as I can smash it. Most abductions don't conclude with a happy ending, and I wouldn't want to be the next number.

Anyway, why are there "gangsta inclined" posts on THR? These things never work and they are rediculous. "Gangsta-ism" claims more lives every day than any number that gun control nuts can make up.

I am not paranoid but once two years ago, I was walking home on a dark and rainy night when suddenly a white Chevy van pulled up right beside me so quick and sudden, my hand flew to my belt-tucked M-1911 right away. However, it seemed like the driver of the van was in a rush, the space I just walked by was a large parking space that caught his eyes, and he simply wanted to run into the grocery store that was about to close. And the 1911 wasn't even close to coming out of my belt. I just laid my hands on it, with no intention to pull it out unless the driver is really coming after me.

I wouldn't act with lethal force around a robber unless I am sure he will kill me after I gave him what he asked for, because they are just petty losers who are not my business. An abductor or assailant, they might have some balls with me or someone I love, and once my gut feels that something is taking a turn for the worse, a piece of heavy black cold steel is coming out of it's holster, whether in firing or clubbing mode.

There was a lady who tried to rob me once on the subway. Yes, a lady who followed me off the train at about 12:40 midnight and when I got to the empty tunnel that connects stations for passengers to transfer trains she took out a small pocketknife and asked me to give her my wallet. She was a slight person, with much better things to do than robbing people, and I simply grabbed her by the wrists and held them tight. She sank to the ground after I held her for like 5 seconds and started crying, saying she was poor and had a baby son and everything, and begged me not to hurt her. I assured her I wasn't going to, and asked her if drugs are the motive for this odd incident. She shook her head, and I took the knife away from her and put it in my pocket. When she realized I wasn't going to hurt her or anything and quieted down, I hugged her tight and asked her what her son would feel if he grew up knowing his mom was a criminal. I also told her there are many other things to do than robbery and that this would only get her killed or in serious trouble with the law if she kept it up. Since this wasn't about drugs, and since I can see it in her face that she was not a drug user, I gave her $20.00 out of my own wallet, told her thats all I can help her with, and told her to try and get a job. Afterward, I gave her her knife back, hugged her again, and left.

I hoped I changed someone's life after this. I never heard of her again, and I wish she is doing all right and well. Reason why I included this in my post: there are many types of "dangerous" people out there, and this one may have a knife but I can just tell by the tone of her voice and how she looked at me , that she is hardly a danger. She was afraid and naive, and some other passenger who also packs a gun at night might have shot her if they were the one who encountered her that night, and that thought still makes me cringe.
 
I hope every thief I run into is like that last one.

Good tip on the bludgeoning. I think with very little practice I could learn to make a directed swing at a perp's head with my knife in an effort to maximize the damage and hurry the incapacitation.

If I think about it for a minute, I'm left handed and I think I can use that to my advantage considering my attacker is probably right handed. I can maybe, if I'm lucky, approach with the knife from a direction he can't readily defend with his own left hand and come in underneath his arm. Once I'm there I can control his gun arm if I wrap it up with my right and then I might have a square shot at his head.

But that's assuming my presence of mind is excellent, and it might not be. Probably won't be. So I won't assume that I can do it under pressure.
 
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