Someone Pulls a Gun On You and You're Unarmed!

[NickBallard]

OK, let's say that someone pulls a gun on you and you don't have a gun? What would you do? What do you do? I've heard different things from different places and don't know if they'd work or not. I've heard that if someone wants your money or car, just give it to them. Some said that you should carry a second wallet and put expired credit cards with a bunch of $1 dollar bills in it. Then if someone pulls out a gun and says "Give me your money," you pull out your "fake" wallet, open it up and say, "Here's all my money," then toss the wallet to the side he has his gun and a little behind him. Then you turn and run the other way and when you're a few paces away from him keep on running strong and start yelling "Police! Police!" The longer you stick around, the more likely you are to get shot and by tossing the wallet one way and running the other, the robber has a choice to either go after the wallet, or go after someone attracting a lot of attention to himself (and that it's hard to shoot someone who's running). With the exception of your escape, don't make any sudden, unexpected moves. What does everyone think about that? I just read that somewhere but wasn't sure.

Then I've heard that if the armed person isn't robbing you, but tells you to go with him or get in his car, then that's a completely different story. Don't give in, but just take off running, and definitely don't pull out a weapon like pepper spray because he might think it's a gun and will have a natural reaction having a gun in his hand. The place I was reading said that if you just take off running, you have a 98% chance of living, while if you go with the armed person, you only have a 50% chance of living. What does everyone else think? What do you do if confronted with a gun and you don't have one?

 

[TheFederalistWeasel]

Unarmed, face with someone with a gun demanding something?

I'll quickly give them whatever they want, car, wallet, money etc...

The only thing I would, without question take a round over would be my wife and child, I'll take my chances hand to hand.

 

[crofrog]

What range, how is he holding the gun

 

[ball3006]

How close it he to you?

If he is close enough, I will take it away from him. Otherwise, I say yes sir, what do you want........chris3

 

[NickBallard]

I'm not sure how close they are and how they hold the gun when people either rob you or force you to go with them. I also heard about some disarming technique from someone where you grab the gun while moving to the side. They'll usually fire the weapon at the ground when it happens. Then you use both arms to bend his arm with the gun towards his head and then pull the trigger. I'm not sure how well that actually works or if the law would allow that, although I would if I was jury.

 

[hso]

Give them what they want as long as it doesn't involve being taken anywhere or anyone else being taken anywhere.

Disarms are ONLY to be tried by folks that have spent many hours learning them and who contintue to practice them under stress and frequently. P

 

[NickBallard]

hso, now let's say that they do want you or someone else to go with them, and they're not robbing you? What do you do? Would it be best just to run or something else? Now let's say others are with you?

 

[WT]

Been there, done that.

Give 'em the money.

 

[hso]

NickBallard,

If they're taking someone with them?

If you've got good cover or concealment nearby and it takes you in some direction other than straight away from the weapon most people's best chance is to run for it and keep running.

If you've got someone with you that can run, then do the buggout boogie in different directions and "serpentine, serpentine".

If you've got someone with you that can't run, then do the buggout boogie and leave 'm. (I don't have to run faster than the bear, just faster than you )

If it's someone you care about with you that can't run then you've got a tougher choice. Fight or flee.
Never let them take you or someone away unless there are overwhelming odds that would negate fighting as a chance. A single person is not overwhelming odds in this situation if the person is family or someone else you love. That opens up a whole new scenario.

 

[sm]

I highly recommend you attend a class dealing with this very question.

The instructor will discuss many many aspects as to how to Avoid getting into that situation, various options to get out - such as giving wallet, keys, tossing a few dollar bills, your smokes, lighter and such.

Then, the extensive understanding of firearms, use of body, human anatomy [i.e carotid artery if you have an edged weapon] staying balanced ...etc.

One fellow recently passed, was SWAT , he used to demonstrate various face to face with a gun. He could snatch the slide off a Beretta so fast, or on a revolver lock up the cylinder, or get a web of his hand in to keep a hammer that was back - from falling forward. He has actually used this in his former days - and used against the punks gun to shoot the punk.

Still no matter how good one is, how good of shape , or trained ...
You can get in a bad way. Bad deal went to worse, out of the shadows his partner was shot, DRT. This guy was shot in the leg, and his strong hand was trying to help pull his partner back to cover...
Then he was shot in the leg, twice.

As he fell forward he drew his BUG weak handed and put 2 shots COM , his chin literally bounced off the sidwalk and still 2 more rds COM on BG #2.

Though cancer aged and weakened him before died, he was still quick! He was a Pugilist in his youth. Still jumped rope, and punched that little black bag like nobody's business...haf a rhythm to it.

I've seen him take a training knife away from someone younger into martial arts and use the training knife on them.

Mindset.

He saw something as a kid and promised himself to not be like that victim he saw at a young age.

 

[NickBallard]

hso, so have you been trained in the disarming arts?

 

[Roadwild17]

You’re still armed with the most powerful weapon of all, your mind. Your there, read the prep, if he just wants a few bucks, throw some money (fake or not) and run like high hell. If he’s more serious then you have to fight or flight. If he’s within a few ft and you need to rumble with him, throw something. The natural reaction is to either catch it with his dominate hand (the hand his gun is in) or to block it, which buys you a second to start defending yourself.

 

[hso]

NickBallard,

Yes, but it's more important whether you are or not, not me.

It's also important if you're trained to remember that you're not infallable, that everyone can have an off day and that you can run into people better than you. Knowing these things means you attempt a disarm when nothing else is available as an effective option.

Young hotshots who've been trained enough to be dangerous to themselves will attempt disarms when they don't need to.

You try it a few times with Simunitions you'll learn mighty quick that a disarm works perfectly only some of the time. If you do it right it's the other guy that gets shot. If you do it wrong then no one gets shot. If you blow it you get shot, but then you were going to get shot anyway if you did nothing. And that's the situation when you try to disarm - when you're going to get shot anyway if you don't try it.

 

[B Easy]

HSO, where can I pick up the magic 8 ball that tells me whether or not the BG is going to shoot, comply or no comply?

 

[hso]

B Easy,

You were issued with a set. When they draw up it's either time to run or fight.

 

[Johnny_Yuma]

Easy Answer

"Don't go unarmed."

 

[wheelgunslinger]

You were issued with a set. When they draw up it's either time to run or fight.

righteous.


SM and HSO, Great advice as usual.

Just to know, where does one take a class like the one SM posted?

 

[gezzer]

Fake an epileptic fit, works every time

 

[leadcounsel]

Cooperate until;

1) you think you will be taken away for later execution;
2) you have a realistic opportunity to overtake the armed attacker IF you think that he is serious about being hostile and it's not a bluff
3) the bad guy leaves
4) you can escape without harm to yourself or another party


Even if you are armed, if the armed bad guy has the drop on you, it's best to cooperate if it's only propety at stake. Property can and will be replaced, but a bullet lasts a lifetime

 

[Lupinus]

if unarmed and someone pulls a gun on me the plan is simple-

Give them what they want, exactly what they want. They get this untill one of a few things that might unfold happens. One, they get what they want are satisfied and leave. Two, they want to hurt me or kidnap me, at this point the gloves come off and I am going down fighting. Or three, they get distracted, if I get the chance to get that gun I am getting that gun, and I will risk my life to get it if they give me the chance to do so. I want make stupid moves to get it but they get distracted I am taking my window of oppertunity for all it is worth, I will not trust my life to someone willing to pull a gun on me.

 

[MadMercS55]

If they are at contact distance I will gladly give up money, cards, etc. If the BG persists or if I believe I'm going to be executed, I will wait for an opening or try to create one before going hands on with everything I could possible muster in life. Control the weapon and try to crush his head in the process
That being said, while there are times I don't have a firearm on my person, there is NOT a day that goes by when I don't have a knife.

 

[Diamondback6]

Or catch 'em in drawstroke and do an LFI disarm. (See Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery, 5th Edition.

Yes, I know, LFI and Ayoob are controversial--ya either love Mas or hate him. Yes, I'll agree he's generally overconservative. But he writes for a nationwide audience, many of whom live in areas where the local .GOV/prosecutors are hostile to the mere IDEA of self-defense, not like the West and South where we're "less enlightened" *snort* about such matters. And also, when you know people in such environments are potentially betting both their lives and livelihoods on your advice, wouldn't YOU rather err on the side of caution?

Take the gun out of his hand while it's still leaving the holster, and you can be the one doing the "holding" at gunpoint, rather than the "being-held". And since Mr. Aggressor started this mess...

 

[Eat Beef]

I've always been in the "Give them whatever they want" camp, with the usual exceptions, but lately there have been a rash of local robberies where the victims complied fully, then were shot. Its a tough world out there.

 

[Biker]

Serpentine!

Biker

 

[Terminight]

Unarmed is a Funny Word, at Least to me

You are never without a weapon if you ever carry anything, a pen, a wallet, belt, vest, jacket, unless of course your naked in which case you have already missed your window of opportunity. Against a gun these alone are usless though, one simple rule should cut it however; get inside the weapon and just hold it outside of your body. From there not only could you cut the carotid artery if possible, you could strike it too. Hitting hard enough in any artery results in horrible pain that six times out of nine ends in a knock out (that six times out of nine is based on how many times ive been hit in an artery, not anyone else). Obviously you really have to slam it though.

If the gun were right up against my body I would try to take him out, if he keeps his distance like a smart peice of sh*t I would have to comply. Good news is if he wants you to go anywhere he has to come closer. A person that only does disarms in a training hall should never even fathom the idea outside of it, its a totally different world and the majority of instructors have seen less fighting than I have or they wouldnt be teaching those techniques. Choose your teacher wisley, I didnt.

The safest way to be in combat is to make the weapon usless, a weapon by definition (mine) is made to keep the opponent away from your body so you can spare it the injury. Once your inside of it and have the arm in one, steady place you control the situation, provided you dont jerk around and get right to bissiness.