Cowboy Action belt

[Mark_Mark]

If you’re in need of a hat…

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We need more gentlemen shootists.

that don’t look cheap! lol

 

[Mark_Mark]

Now this is a nice Hat!!!

 

[woodnbow]

That's more like a John Dillinger hat. For the cap and ball period this would be more appropriate.

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Probably more Texas Ranger… think Captain Frank Hamer.

 

[woodnbow]

that don’t look cheap! lol

Quality never is…

 

[Mark_Mark]

Quality never is…

I remember going to a estate auction about 20 years ago and the fella had a collection of Stetson hat. Was not my interest at the time. But they were going for cheap! i got a CooCoo Clock

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

The part you broke is called the Bolt.






Yes, they do break on occasion. This one is from a 2nd Gen Colt. Notice how yours broke in exactly the same place, where the metal is thinnest around the hole. This part is made of spring steel, and the leg in question has to flex every time the hammer falls, which is why it may break. This part is not necessarily a drop in part. It may need to be fitted.






The split trigger/bolt spring is the most common part in a Colt style revolver to break. Again, this is where they typically break, right at the base of one of the legs. This part is more prone to breakage than the bolt.

 

[Mark_Mark]

The part you broke is called the Bolt.

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Yes, they do break on occasion. This one is from a 2nd Gen Colt. Notice how yours broke in exactly the same place, where the metal is thinnest around the hole. This part is made of spring steel, and the leg in question has to flex every time the hammer falls, which is why it may break. This part is not necessarily a drop in part. It may need to be fitted.

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The split trigger/bolt spring is the most common part in a Colt style revolver to break. Again, this is where they typically break, right at the base of one of the legs. This part is more prone to breakage than the bolt.

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yeah, I fitted the bolt by copying the factory bolt and did the final fitting by feel. Not really that hard.

I’m going to try the wire spring for Wolff and trigger spring, both are reduced powder. See what happens

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

The good thing about the Wolff wire springs is they will never break. They tend to be a bit mushy, but the arms can be bent to make them a bit stronger.

This Uberti Cattleman has a Wolff trigger/bolt spring in it.

 

[Mark_Mark]

The good thing about the Wolff wire springs is they will never break. They tend to be a bit mushy, but the arms can be bent to make them a bit stronger.

This Uberti Cattleman has a Wolff trigger/bolt spring in it.

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I bought both, and a few extras. I feel like breaking parts is going to be apart of my cowboy gun life

 

[Sacramento Johnson]

If you want to carry two revolvers, get a dedicated cartridge belt. The pants belt is just for that; pants. There aren't any specific "cowboy action" pants belts that I know of (and I did Cowboy Action for 20+ years). I go with a nice plain, soft, top grain leather belt, USA made, from Justin and add a clip corner buckle (also correct for the Old West) for the pants, and use a quality leather cartridge belt for the two holsters/revolvers.
El Paso Saddlery makes a good cartridge gunbelt. Galco makes a western cartridge belt still. Bianchi used to, but discontinued them. (John Bianchi Western Leather, which is still around and makes them, is very expensive). Wild West Mercantile is doing a closeout on their gun leather and have some cartridge belts available; I've used these as well.

Stay away from Hunter and Triple-K...

 

[Mark_Mark]

If you want to carry two revolvers, get a dedicated cartridge belt. The pants belt is just for that; pants. There aren't any specific "cowboy action" pants belts that I know of (and I did Cowboy Action for 20+ years). I go with a nice plain, soft, top grain leather belt, USA made, from Justin and add a clip corner buckle (also correct for the Old West) for the pants, and use a quality leather cartridge belt for the two holsters/revolvers.
El Paso Saddlery makes a good cartridge gunbelt. Galco makes a western cartridge belt still. Bianchi used to, but discontinued them. (John Bianchi Western Leather, which is still around and makes them, is very expensive). Wild West Mercantile is doing a closeout on their gun leather and have some cartridge belts available; I've used these as well.

Stay away from Hunter and Triple-K...

that makes a ton of sense! pant belt for pants, gun belt for holding up guns!

 

[DukeConnor]

There is some nice stuff on etsy

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

The derby is more period correct for the 1860's.

Really? You should tell that to these guys.

Back row: Will Carver and Kid Curry. Front row, left to right: Harry Longabaugh (Sundance Kid), Ben Kilpatrick, Butch Cassidy. This photo was taken in a photo studio in Fort Worth, Texas in 1900. This photo eventually led to Butch and Sundance's downfall. Until this picture was taken, nobody really knew what they looked like. The photographer hung the photo in his window, and somebody recognized Butch or Sundance. Then accurate pictures were put on wanted posters.






Or maybe somebody should tell these guys. The two guys in the center were a couple of bicycle mechanics until they got famous by inventing the airplane. The woman is their sister Katherine.






My point is, derby hats, or bowlers as they are known in England, were popular well into the early 20th Century.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Really? You should tell that to these guys.

Back row: Will Carver and Kid Curry. Front row, left to right: Harry Longabaugh (Sundance Kid), Ben Kilpatrick, Butch Cassidy. This photo was taken in a photo studio in Fort Worth, Texas in 1900. This photo eventually led to Butch and Sundance's downfall. Until this picture was taken, nobody really knew what they looked like. The photographer hung the photo in his window, and somebody recognized Butch or Sundance. Then accurate pictures were put on wanted posters.

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Or maybe somebody should tell these guys. The two guys in the center were a couple of bicycle mechanics until they got famous by inventing the airplane. The woman is their sister Katherine.

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My point is, derby hats, or bowlers as they are known in England, were popular well into the early 20th Century.

They did good photography back in those days. Was a trade and art form. It took me years of training and practice to become
this good. The film they used were no less than 8x10” sheet film.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Mark, you outta send me that revolver and let me fix it so you don't break any more parts! Part of the process involves working the bolt so it won't be as likely to break again and putting in an action stop so you don't break any other parts.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Mark, you outta send me that revolver and let me fix it so you don't break any more parts! Part of the process involves working the bolt so it won't be as likely to break again and putting in an action stop so you don't break any other parts.

I know you fellas know everything about a SAA action and how to make it run like a top. My daddy always told me, “You broke it, you fix it” worked out all my life so far.

What’s a action stop job? and do you folks have a book I can read about it? Learning is as important to me as the shooting.

 

[hawg]

Really? You should tell that to these guys.

You mistook my point. The derby was more popular in the 1860's. The Stetson pictured wasn't invented yet. Stetson's first hat was the Boss Of The Plains in 1865 but it wasn't popular until towards the end of the century. It was the beginning of the cowboy hat.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I took it apart and it look like I didn’t break any other parts except the bolt spring.

who invented this gun! Very simple and ingenious!

 

[Mark_Mark]

You mistook my point. The derby was more popular in the 1860's. The Stetson pictured wasn't invented yet. Stetson's first hat was the Boss Of The Plains in 1865 but it wasn't popular until towards the end of the century. It was the beginning of the cowboy hat.

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dang!!! they need to do a Cowboy hat museum!

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

I took it apart and it look like I didn’t break any other parts except the bolt spring.

who invented this gun! Very simple and ingenious!

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It's a Uberti, arbor is short, action tuning corrects a lot of the little problems like breaking springs. The bolt can be modified to prevent it from breaking. Replacing the bolt/ trigger spring with music wire springs will give the revolver a whole different feel. Plus no more broken flat spring. An action stop keeps you from over cocking the hammer and causing more damage. I also install a bolt guide, you cannot get precise timing without one. I also install a Ruger type hand plunger and spring. And the usual polish on the internal parts. If you want to get technical info Jerry Khunhausen's Colt single action revolver shop manual is a good reference book. He really goes into detail on the single actions.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

If you want to get technical info Jerry Khunhausen's Colt single action revolver shop manual is a good reference book. He really goes into detail on the single actions.

I agree. Absolutely the best book ever written about maintaining the Colt Single Action Army. You can find it on Amazon. As you can see, I have been referring to my copy for years.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I agree. Absolutely the best book ever written about maintaining the Colt Single Action Army. You can find it on Amazon. As you can see, I have been referring to my copy for years.

I’m buying one from the publisher, get me off the internet and read a bit.

when Did books become so expensive?!?!

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

when Did books become so expensive?!?!

Books have always been expensive. It is all relative.

If you want to learn about guns, you have to read. Videos cannot go into the detail that you will find in books.

Here are most of my reference books on guns.






Here are my gunsmithing books.






Here are my reloading books.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Odd, that looks like my library!.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

who invented this gun! Very simple and ingenious!

The Colt Single Action Army did not spring into being all at once, it was an evolutionary process.

As a young man, Samuel Colt was a bit of a trouble maker. He had worked in his father's textile mill in Ware Massachusetts, and there he gained knowledge of tools, manufacturing techniques, and explosives. He developed an underwater mine, then he was sent to boarding school, where he got in trouble with explosives and his father sent him off to sea to learn to be a seaman. While on a voyage to India he saw one of the flintlock revolvers being manufactured by Elisha Collier.

The Collier revolvers had a device that automatically deposited powder into the pan. The cylinder had to be rotated manually. But they were a true revolver.







The legend is that Colt dreamed up his mechanism for rotating the cylinder and locking it in place by watching the ratchet mechanism of a capstan on a ship. In 1836 Colt obtained a patent on his first revolver, the Paterson Colt. (Paterson is spelled incorrectly in this version of the patent drawing, there is only one T.) Colt's improvement, besides being a more reliable percussion revolver, incorporated the ratchet system that rotates the cylinder and locks it in place when the hammer is cocked. This patent expired in 1857, so other manufactures, such as Smith and Wesson, could begin building revolvers.






The Paterson Colt was a financial failure, and Colt spent the next ten years or so traveling the country and demonstrating laughing gas to amused audiences. Ever the showman, he billed himself as the Celebrated Dr. Coult of New-York, London and Calcutta.

In 1847 Colt met Captain Samuel Walker of the Texas Rangers. Walker had been impressed with the Paterson Colts during the Mexican American War and wanted to order more. But Colt was broke and had no money to produce revolvers. Together, Colt and Walker designed the massive Walker Colt and Walker placed an order for 1000 revolvers. An extra 100 Walkers were made and sold on the civilian market, and Colt was able to have the revolvers made by Eli Whitney Blake. The success of this model enabled Colt to buy property on the Connecticut River in Hartford Connecticut and build his factory.

This Walker recently sold at auction for over $1,800,000.





Samuel Colt died in 1862. Over the years there were many engineering changes to Colt's percussion revolvers, and later cartridge conversion revolvers.

The Single Action Army was first produced in 1873. It had many of the features of the earlier percussion revolvers, but the design was the work of Colt employee William Mason.