Coyote attack on child in urban NJ gun free utopia
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Actually killed one here in TN that weighed 58 lbs. My ex-father in law killed on that weighed 66 lbs. Have seen a couple of bigger Coy-dogs myself.
ArfinGreebly
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Healthy Yotes
Western Nevada hosts a few disturbingly healthy yotes.
I've seen a few that I first thought were dogs ('cuz it's too big for a coyote) and then realized I was looking at 50 lbs of overly healthy yod'ler.
Most annoying contact with one of these was at about 20 yards or so, and once I realized what I had, I went for the camera.
Damned thing played me! It wouldn't just run away, it had to trot at angles, stop, look at me, trot off at a different angle. I took six or seven pictures and not a one of them got enough of him to call a yote.
Bastige.
Western Nevada hosts a few disturbingly healthy yotes.
I've seen a few that I first thought were dogs ('cuz it's too big for a coyote) and then realized I was looking at 50 lbs of overly healthy yod'ler.
Most annoying contact with one of these was at about 20 yards or so, and once I realized what I had, I went for the camera.
Damned thing played me! It wouldn't just run away, it had to trot at angles, stop, look at me, trot off at a different angle. I took six or seven pictures and not a one of them got enough of him to call a yote.
Bastige.
Do Coyotes and dogs actually cross breed? State biologist says no (Vermont).
I've seen coyote prints the size of my hand (size 10 glove) and scat that confirms it. Loggers I've spoken with who worked on my property (200 acres in the mid Vermont mountains) have seen good size deer (160-180#) which appear to have been taken down by packs of something.
I have seen good sized coyotes during the daytime in the open but only one at a time. They are definitely here and I think they are fairly large. So far they stay away from us humans. If that changes I will have some good pelts. There is even a bounty on them here.
I've seen coyote prints the size of my hand (size 10 glove) and scat that confirms it. Loggers I've spoken with who worked on my property (200 acres in the mid Vermont mountains) have seen good size deer (160-180#) which appear to have been taken down by packs of something.
I have seen good sized coyotes during the daytime in the open but only one at a time. They are definitely here and I think they are fairly large. So far they stay away from us humans. If that changes I will have some good pelts. There is even a bounty on them here.
rocinante
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I am in a north atlanta suburb and they are definitely here. seen them a couple of times and hear them on occassion. They have definitely reduced the squirrel and cat population around here. Got my cat I am pretty sure.
My pet theory is the mexicans bring them in as pets and then turn them loose. At least they started showing up in numbers that casually seem to correspond to the dramatic ILLEGAL mexican population increase here.
As far as dogs go I have never heard of them breeding with coyotes. I think a dog would be just another fair game meal to a coyote.
My pet theory is the mexicans bring them in as pets and then turn them loose. At least they started showing up in numbers that casually seem to correspond to the dramatic ILLEGAL mexican population increase here.
As far as dogs go I have never heard of them breeding with coyotes. I think a dog would be just another fair game meal to a coyote.
tbtrout
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The road this happened on backs up to Naval Weapons Station Earle which is very large and wooded. A few years ago Earle reintroduced coyotes to help control the deer population. From what I was told, in order to effectively do this the Govt wildlife officials used coyotes crossbread with wolves to give them more size and strength. Anyone who has driven on rte s 33 and 34 know there are gaps in the fence that a tank can fit under. They have wandered into neighborhoods.
And I love all of the knoweledge people have abut NJ who have only had a layover in Newark Airport.
And I love all of the knoweledge people have abut NJ who have only had a layover in Newark Airport.
rocinante
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well tbtrout why didn't they just reintroduce wolves? Are coyotes considered more manageable and less dangerous? As far as knowledge of NJ welcome to the club. I am from Louisiana and AFAIAC no place on the planet is so misunderstood or has more stereotypes than the bayou state. My understanding of NJ is it is like Georgia or New York. A large state that has one overpowering metro and the rest is rural with nice small towns and cities.
That's a really cogent observation. I've read on more than one occassion that biologists who study this kind of thing say that since the 1930's the IQ of coyotes has more than doubled (now how in the heck does one go about measuring the IQ of a coyote).
Biologists claim that the loss of habitat and urbanization has caused the increase (Darwin wins again). So maybe it isn't so much that the coyotes stay out of places where they might get kil't but they've become smart enough to not be seen.
I worked at an animal hospital for years; the vet said she heard about it all the time. Never seen one, though.
Size does matter. No way will a single coyote take on something bigger than itself.
What can happen is a female coyote luring a bigger (male) dog into the woods to get "jumped" by a pack. Pretty damn smart.
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TallPine
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I've known a couple people who had dog-coyote hybrids (coydogs).
In both cases, they were very weird and unpredictable animals - not at all like the wolf hybrids that we used to have.
Coyotes (or one coyote) will lure dogs off and then the pack gang up on it and kill it. Maybe they do something a little different if the dog is an unaltered bitch
In both cases, they were very weird and unpredictable animals - not at all like the wolf hybrids that we used to have.
Coyotes (or one coyote) will lure dogs off and then the pack gang up on it and kill it. Maybe they do something a little different if the dog is an unaltered bitch
tbtrout
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Full Breed wolf would be bad press and have the people in the surrounding communities up in arms. That area of Middletown is very affluent with NY transplants, they complain about everything. They also let their little apartment dogs out to run in their back yard and wonder why there are a lot of hawks circling Any way at least the child was not seriously hurt.
Any way at least the child was not seriously hurt.chemist308
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When attacked by a coyote, do not use a gun as there a likelihood it will be used against you. Instead offer it your wallet, throat or whatever else it wants to avoid conflict.
NJ that's what you wanted, that's what you got! :banghead:
NJ that's what you wanted, that's what you got! :banghead:
koja48
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Coyotes (or one coyote) will lure dogs off and then the pack gang up on it and kill i
Lost a big male back in Montana just that way one time.
Lost a big male back in Montana just that way one time.
DixieTexian
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Could have some Eastern Red Wolf blood in it. Red wolves are endangered, but it is unclear whether they retain their specific identintity. They have been known to breed with both gray wolves and coyotes, which leads many to think that a lot of the bigger coyotes in the east actually have a significant amount of red wolf blood in them.
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Plenty of coyotes here in the wilds of New Jersey. See at least one or two a month running across the road on my way to and from work (17 miles) between Mays Landing and Millville. Was surprised to see one that had been killed by a car last fall, as they are generally more clever than that. Think perhaps that many (most?) folks don't realize how rural and 'country' the majority of NJ is, outside of the bedroom communities west/south of NYC and east of Philadelphia. Slowly changing with the urban sprawl, but still plenty of "country" out here in the Pine Barrens and up in the Delaware Watergap area. Just too many scumbag politicians (like everywhere else).
Husker1911
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The stories of some government agency introducing coyotes to control deer population have as much veracity as the scores of the same type of story about cougars/mountain lions being transplanted for the same reason, to control deer populations.
Look, I know some will reply with absolute conviction this has happened, but not a shred of proof. It's an urban legend.
Proper control of deer population is through licensed hunters, using the firearm of their choice.
Look, I know some will reply with absolute conviction this has happened, but not a shred of proof. It's an urban legend.
Proper control of deer population is through licensed hunters, using the firearm of their choice.
DixieTexian
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Or ranchhand bumpers with big spikes welded on the front.
Tom609
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260rem700CBM, you forgot to mention that where you are is south of the Mason-Dixon Line too. I see all kinds of wildlife in my area, and at the range I go to we feed a fox the size of a border collie that lives back in the woods. Most perceptions of NJ are based on cruising the turnpike, or watching the opening credits of the Sopranos.
Rocinante, I spent some time a few years ago in Slidell and loved it and the people. You've got a real nice corner of the country down there. I hope the hurricanes miss you this year.
Rocinante, I spent some time a few years ago in Slidell and loved it and the people. You've got a real nice corner of the country down there. I hope the hurricanes miss you this year.
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I've heard there are confirmed sightings of a pair of coyotes here in Union Co., don't know it's absolutely true, but wouldn't be at all surprised. Union Co., N.J. is just about all urbanized, but has an extensive park system. I've heard there are coyotes in the Bronx, N.Y., and the Bronx is even more densely populated.
The truth is, this is the perfect environment for a mid-sized, wily predator, you should see the size of our racoons and foxes! We are overrun with deer, rabbit, squirrel, possum, groundhog and skunk. At the same time, there are very few areas where a firearm can be used without a danger of hitting a dwelling.
I wonder if our ongoing rabies problem might have contributed to this attack.
The truth is, this is the perfect environment for a mid-sized, wily predator, you should see the size of our racoons and foxes! We are overrun with deer, rabbit, squirrel, possum, groundhog and skunk. At the same time, there are very few areas where a firearm can be used without a danger of hitting a dwelling.
I wonder if our ongoing rabies problem might have contributed to this attack.
gunsmith
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I know quite a bit about the Garden State
I know that in 1969 when hanging out with my cousins all summer long in NJ that we could walk down the street with shotguns and no one blinked, I know you can't do that now.
I know the Lautenberg amendment is from NJ, that they call jhp's "dum dums"
I know that I would love to visit again but I can not because I won't untill the 2nd amendment is again respected....I also know that the turnpike really smells bad.
I know that in 1969 when hanging out with my cousins all summer long in NJ that we could walk down the street with shotguns and no one blinked, I know you can't do that now.
I know the Lautenberg amendment is from NJ, that they call jhp's "dum dums"
I know that I would love to visit again but I can not because I won't untill the 2nd amendment is again respected....I also know that the turnpike really smells bad.
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