Dealing with generator thieves

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Just found this thread...

...so I'm a little late to the party. But here are a few comments:

1. I have actually thought about the generator theft issue quite a bit. Like many on THR, I believe in being prepared for emergencies (or as my wife likes to say, I'm "adorably paranoid"). So I have a generator and a transfer switch that will let me run essential things like the furnace when the grid is down. Here in Minnesota, that can be very important in the event of a severe winter storm, as we have no other source of heat for the house. It has occurred to me, however, that in the event of a real emergency where I need to rely on my generator, many of my neighbors and fellow citizens will not be so well prepared. Some of them will see my lights on, or hear my generator running, and within that group there may well be a goblin or two who are perfectly willing to take it for themselves. My generator is a portable 6.5kw unit on a wheeled cart. One strong guy or two average guys with a station wagon or pickup could take it easily. How do I prevent that?

2. The short answer is that I can't completely prevent it. I can take certain basic precautions, such as chaining it down securely, and bringing it inside the house at night. We can certainly survive 8-10 hours with the power off at night even on the coldest winter nights, and I'll probably be concerned about rationing fuel for it, anyway. During the day, it ought to be watched any time it is exposed.

3. If someone does try to take it, however, I am pefectly within my rights to confront them, and to do so while visibly armed. I cannot and will not shoot anyone without warning. I will, however, tell them forcefully to leave my property. If they advance or threaten me in any way, I will use force if I believe it is necessary to protect me or my family. I will not shoot anyone unless a firearm is directed at me, however, or unless I am rushed or they try to enter my home. In those situations, the generator is irrelevant -- I am merely protecting my and my family's safety.
 
Everyone seems to "convieniently" already have generators, they just need cords, plugs, and transfer switches to connect them to the houses.

That's not as far fetched as you might think. We had about the same results down here after hurricane Charley. Most people were decently prepared, but they weren't prepared to be without electricity for 2 weeks at best. Maybe 2 or 3 days.

Most of them start out simple and just run the fridge. Then after a few days they want to be cool (or warm in your case) and start running fans or heaters. That's when you realize you need more cords and plugs. Then after a few days more the kids get rambunctious and the TV/DVD starts to sound like a good idea.

Then you're going to end up going back to work before your power is on. While us men can normally do without electricity, women still have to do their hair. After about 5 or 6 days, you get really REALLY tired of taking cold showers so now you're running around trying to hook up the hot water tank if it's electric.

Then after about 2 weeks you say the heck with it, you might as well just wire it up to the whole house.

That seems to be the usual path for emergencies.
 
Lethal force and property.

Every state is different, so I'll just tell you what my own situation is.

I live in Ohio, where it's not legal to defend anything but a life. Even then, you'll likely go to trial due to our RINO state government. So, a generator or any other property would get me yelling out the window and snapping camers flash. Most thieves are oportunistic and will beat feet when discovered.

Now fast foreward to a disaster situation. I have no power, it's not likely to be restored any time soon and I have a wife and kid to keep warm. Someone trying to steal my generator is putting their lives at risk and would be confronted. If they don't leave my generator in place, they will be forcibly stopped any way I can manage it.

It may not be legal to shoot someone over a generator, but if it's February and my family will go cold and freeze without it, it would be a morally right decision.
 
He stated it didn't matter, that I NEVER have the right to use force to remove anyone from my property, EVEN if my life is in danger.

this is utter B.S. I would call those officer's boss and get a clarification. This law is very clear in Washington and people have to eject unwanted individuals all the time. Think about all the bouncers downtown, not to mention all the hospitals that end up kicking people out on a regular basis.
 
Cameras? Pepper spray? bucket of water or garden hose? This is **** guys. As lowlifes are ransacking your house you're all forced to vacate the area and sit on the curb reading your book of one million and one laws. Everyone is too afraid to step up to someone who is going to harm you and harm others afterward. (And please dont start investigating my use of the word 'harm').

Its real freaking simple; Call the local authorities, step out to meet the thieves that are on your property, or your neighbors property, or heck it might just be someone smashing a window of a car you've never seen before, but you step up and confront the piece of crap. In a time of emergency or not, you step out with your shotgun, loaded, no first round blank, no 'the sound of the pump action will scare them off', just step out and see what they have to say to a good law abiding citizen. You can analyze tactics of cover, or rifle vs shotgun, or tell them to run or to stay right where they are till the end of the world as everyone seems to be so fond of doing.

If you have a gen set, you should be smart enough to know it will attract attention. Dig a hole and place the gen in there with a cover and a vent for the exhaust. Check the net for directions on how to sound proof your generator.

XDKingslayer said:
but when your family's warmth and safety are at stake, high road goes out the window.
BULL! This is the same mentality that will justify looting stores or killing people with food when you run out.

-Sefus
 
this is utter B.S. I would call those officer's boss and get a clarification. This law is very clear in Washington and people have to eject unwanted individuals all the time.

Agreed, this was his attempt to "calm me" so they could arrest me. My experience is that when LEOs here are asked direct specific questions they dodge questions as they are trained to do and make "strong suggestions". They don't want to become legal counsel (understandably), but should never be giving false information either.
 
What the officer said or didn't say or if he should have said it is not on topic here. If you want to start another thread somewhere else to discuss those issues feel free.

Keep the discussion here focused on the tactical and legal aspects of the issue please.

Jeff
 
to catch a thief

I was fortunate to have my old grandmother live a long and healthy life.
One of the old fashioned expressions I heard her use for people like thieves and such was "they ought to be horsewhipped!" No she was'nt "granny" of the Beverly Hillbillys, but I would laugh at that show because it did remind me of her.

Anyway, not a horsewhip, but my inclination would be to "teach them a lesson" with one of those "Sambok" things. Should they produce a weapon while you were "teaching," the Sambok apparently could render you quite capeable of a good self defense.

There were thieves in our barraks in my advanced infantry training that preyed on us for weeks. Finally, after returning from the mess hall one afternoon I heard screams, glass breaking, and when I opened the door to go up the stairs to the second floor, here comes the theives tumbling down the stairs. The had been beaten to within an inch of their lives! "That'l learn um durn um." Some of the men had hidden themselves in the latrine at the end of the barraks and justice was administered. As I remember, nothing ever came of it either.

The next time you run your generator, set up a guard watch.
 
You know when it's 10 degrees the power is out, our phones go out also the cell phones go out. (note: stealing the generator at this time will by a reasonable person be deemed to be a probable deadly act)

I am rural can't call cops or anyone, You try and take my generator you will have to threaten deadly force, I will then shoot you to stop your action.

I'll bet you will die from the shots or by freezing to death. When we get phone back (sometimes in a couple of weeks) I will call the police in my town to report the incedent and have your body removed. (if the coyotes have not cleaned up the mess)

I am glad Jeff has nothing to do with law enforcment or prosecution where I live. Our justice system in NH uses common sense 99% of the time.
 
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