Defective Winchester Ammo

[Compound8.0]

I can't speak to the OPs motives but what I will say is my problem with the ammo in question is legitimate and after a bit of digging through other threads I was led to the conclusion that there was a problem occurring during a change of location of production facilities and this led to some of the problems others as well experienced with those lot dates I mentioned . Now , as I stated I have lost confidence in the Brand and will probably not be buying any in the future but I have no problem with their brass , never have , which is why I shot up all the bad batch and the cases are all tumbled , separated and will be reloaded shortly .

 

[Warp]

No doubt, Winchester ammo has poor standards and many of us avoid it for a reason.

But what the OP is doing is way out of line.

 

[Yo Mama]

Now why would they do that?

Because the original poster felt it necessary to put the full name of the customer service representative he was working with, or not working with.

 

[grogetr]

It was pointed out earlier they moved rim fire to Mississippi several years ago and I'm pretty sure they have been moving center fire slowly there also. Olin is having a lot of lay off of workers in E. Alton Il. plant now. They're moving for the cheap labor rates. Maybe thats not working out so well for them.

 

[ivankerley]

got to be the strangest thing ive read in a while, OP starts this thread recently but also had a thread 5 years ago about the same ammo (picts etc), named the CS lady in the other one does it here also? id be ticked too just not to start the whole thing again every 5 years or so
strange
gene

 

[danez71]

(These are the 7th and 12th pics from the OP.)


1st.... All of that ammo is filthy. That aint new ammo.

2nd.... Is that his reloading notes in the 1st pic above?

3rd.... Look at the rims in the 2nd pic. Is that damage to the rims or is that case head starting to separate?


This guy either has physical issues with his reloading equipment or his gun.


Posting this again 5 yr later with different details? Priceless

 

[HammsBeer]

2nd.... Is that his reloading notes in the 1st pic above?

Only if he uses "diced onions" in his reloading!

That is some seriously dirty ammo. WWB has always had bright shiny cases, and I've shot probably 100+ boxes of the stuff.

 

[ljnowell]

It was pointed out earlier they moved rim fire to Mississippi several years ago and I'm pretty sure they have been moving center fire slowly there also. Olin is having a lot of lay off of workers in E. Alton Il. plant now. They're moving for the cheap labor rates. Maybe thats not working out so well for them.

Centerfire is still running strong in Alton, IL.

 

[gspn]

(These are the 7th and 12th pics from the OP.)


2nd.... Is that his reloading notes in the 1st pic above?

It's a recipe. The top says "Excellent"

First line says "1 16 oz jar..."

second line says "1 13 oz box..."

Last line says "diced onions..."

 

[Shaq]

Several years ago, I had that exact same situation with Winchester White Box but the cases were like that on only 3 rounds in the box. When I contacted Winchester, they sent me coupons for $50.00 which I used for a couple of spare mags for my Sig P220.

Things have changed with many companies now treating their customers like crap.

 

[elano]

I am the OP. I have posted this before but found it archived for some reason with no pictures so i reposted it. The pictures are from the ammo i bought several years ago. They are not reloads. The brass must tarnish after handling from skin oils. You can call me a liar if you want, I don't care. I did take pictures and send them to winchester. I did contact their customer service department.

Yall must be detectives or private investigators to scour ever word for an inconsistenfy to prove I am a liar. To answer the questions, I bought 2 boxes which had many defective rounds in them. I shot a handful of rounds before noticing them when one would not feed corectly. I found the other rounds in the boxes and took pics.

I tried to return them to the store for a refund only to find walmart does not accept ammo returns. I contacted winchester and asked for a refund. They told me they would refund my ammo purchase if I mailed them the box of defective rounds. I did and then received some sort of coupon (i want to say it was $10 toward winchester ammo) from them instead of a refund. I called back and demanded a refund as their ammo is crap and I didn't want it. I had the reciept for my purchase and I had the other box I had picked rounds out of to send to them. They then claim they did not owe me a refund befause I had shot some of the rounds (before realizing they were defective). I wasn't trying to get free ammo or scam the company. This is America and when a company gives you a **** product you are supposed to get your money back.

I told them if they would not give me a refund, they have lost my business for life and I would post the pictures of their lousy product on the internet. They said they didn't care so I am bad mouthing them on the internet. You can agree with this or disagree with this. No I am not lying, no those are not reloads, and that is pretty darn funny whoever claimed my food recipe was a handload recipe.

 

[Warp]

Starting a new thread and not mentioning that you have posted this same thing multiple times prior, going back 5 years, is disingenuous at best.

 

[elano]

I did not see the request for a lot# and did not check it since my last post a few pages ago. Funny this is called "thehighroad" when many of you have blatantly called me a LIAR. Especially for something so simple as not replying to request for a lot#.

Here are some pics I never posted which has the numbers off the box. I doubt this will keep me from being called a liar again but here it is. Thank you to those who shared REASON and defended the attacks against me.

 

[M1key]

LOL. Thanks for clearing things up Elano. You did right.

M

 

[elano]

Starting a new thread and not mentioning that you have posted this same thing multiple times prior, going back 5 years, is disingenuous at best.

Again another accusation of being untruthful or lying. Disingenous at best? That's not very "high road" of you. Multiple times? This is only the second thread I have made here on this topic. The sole reason being someone moved it to an obscure area of the board where pictures no longer are allowed.

 

[OilyPablo]

Pretty sure I didn't call you a liar. But really man, your communication skills could use some improvement. You should have told us this happened X years ago, but you just seem so bitter about the whole thing, everyone must assume you just got back from the range.

 

[elano]

Pretty sure I didn't call you a liar. But really man, your communication skills could use some improvement. You should have told us this happened X years ago, but you just seem so bitter about the whole thing, everyone must assume you just got back from the range.

Maybe it wasn't you but someone else did.

Sorry for a lack of clarity. While true I did not post the date I bought the ammo that does not automatically make me a liar. I regret not posting a date as it was not my intention to be dishonest, rather to repost my previously archived thread. I went to update the old thread only to realize it was closed. Folks in here hav basically accused me of hand loading crappy rounds with some alternative motive conspiracy. I still feel bitter enough that I wanted the pictures still available for people to see not archived in some thread never to be seen again. Wether or not you agree with that approach or not is a matter of opinion. Winchester thought I wasn't worth the price of a full refund. I took that personally.

 

[Apachedriver]

Comments removed. OP addressed in previous post.

 

[stompah]

I am not going to comment on the OP or what has become of this thread.

I personally have had 2 experiences with bad Winchester ammo.

1. Some JHP 9mm that was more tarnished than what is in the OP's pictures. I returned it to Winchester and they sent me a coupon for more Winchester ammo.

2. I had a wwb 9mm that made a pfft noise. Bullet left the barrel but my gun and magazine was full of powder. I didn't bother sending that back to Winchester.

Winchester has become garbage. Even before any ammo crisis.

 

[Davek1977]

A LAIR? Nope, wont call you that, but, re-posting something from five years ago, and not noting that the situation is far from a current one, is shows less than a high level of integrity. Misleading would be a kind description...

 

[larryh1108]

Sorry,,,,,,
If it looks like a duck,
walks like a duck and
quacks like a duck....
you know the rest.

You seem to have an agenda from something that happened 5 years ago.
You deliberately misled us.
Why?

 

[TarDevil]

First....FIVE years ago? For Pete's sake, let it go, man. You got enough money to cover the defective rounds.

And this repost... pretty low standards for this forum, IMO. And pretty bold to accuse the rest of low standards.

 

[danez71]

(Snip)

No I am not lying, no those are not reloads, and that is pretty darn funny whoever claimed my food recipe was a handload recipe.

Here ya go again... changing the story.

I never "claimed" that it was reload notes. I ASKED if it was because I couldn't read it well enough.

If you didnt want to mislead anyone, the simplest way for you to have made things ALOT more clear would have also been the simplest way to (re)post the info.

All you needed to do was copy the old post and paste it into a new post proceeded by one word; "REPOST"

That would have been much easier than retyping the story with different details.


The brass is dirty beyond being tarnished from your hands unless you were carrying the rounds in your hand for a few days.

I have Winchester brass that's much brighter and it's been handled on and off for a coupless yrs now.


What's with the case heads? Is that shadowing or damage?

 

[Reloadron]

Elano, here is your thread in this forum from 2011. The images were just fine so I have no clue why you couldn't see them. Additionally, the images were just fine in another forum where a different screen name was used with the same images about 5 years ago.

Point here is there was no reason, that I can see, to repost any of this. Maybe Winchester has changed over the past 5 years and maybe not but tossing out 5 year old news and failing to tell the whole story leaves much to be desired. The initial post in this thread would lead anyone to believe the information is new and current which was far from the case, rather than less than honest I would say the initial post was a lie the way it was presented. Maybe you would prefer "half truth" as it sounds better? How much more misleading can it get? This looked like a brand new thread.

Finally still being hot at Winchester after 5 years? You have no clue what their customer service is today and we have no clue how much of the original post was truth? I can only take your word as to what Winchester supposedly said and right now you are not running high on a credibility list. I suggest it all just get dropped.

Ron

 

[elano]

I'm not going to lower myself to the level some or you seem to be so eager to stoop to. I stand by my right to freely express displeasure with a company's product and service even if it was several years ago. It's not about the $, it's about the principal. A quick google search turns up dozens of other people with similar experiences including damaged guns. My decision to post my experience on other forums I frequent is also my business. My intent is to tarnish wichester's reputation solely for their poor product quality and lack of care for long time customers. They don't even make their guns in this country anymore people. I give it 5 years and winchester will be a 100% foreign company. Btw I would have edited my original post but there is no option to edit it.