WARNING! Defective Winchester Ammo!

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  1. TheCracker

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    It's funny that this thread is still going. A buddy and I were shooting 9mm, today and I saw my 1st ever WWB defect. adb848e2-9545-d2e5.jpg

    He gave it to me since I can pull it and reuse the bullet. Since I only shoot my reloads now

    This is the 1st bad round of WWB I've seen out of the 1500 or so my buddies and myself have shoot in the last 7 years that I know of.
     
  2. JTHunter

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    In looking at those photos in the OP, the brass appears to be so tarnished it makes me wonder if they were using "fired" brass.
    Have you ever seen new rounds with brass as "splotchy" as those?
     
  3. elano

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    Wow that one looks pretty rough TheCracker. I just went out and invested in some reloading equipment as well. I figure i can make a round at least the quality of winchester white box for nearly half the price.
     
  4. elano

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    JThunter, they may have gotten tarnished from me handling them since I took those pics a few days after I found them. But no I have never seen new brass that looked that way.
     
  5. AZ Hawkeye

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    Winchester has been having QC issues for a VERY long time.

    This site http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm which contains a lot of Dr. Roberts' data, shows a defective lot of Winchester Ranger-T, which is supposed to be a premium SD ammo. (The defective lot is just below the .45 ACP data). I'm not sure when that lot was actually tested, but it's been at minimum two years...

    [Note: I no longer buy ANY Winchester ammunition due in part to the above. If they have QC issues with their so-called "premium" ammunition, well, you get my drift... I'm not saying that other companies never have any issues, but I've lost all confidence in Winchester.]

    P.S. I've never seen any ammunition come from the factory in that bad of shape, ever!
     
  6. Mikhail Weiss

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    I'll chime in to add that, yes, I've encountered similar damaged ammunition from the last two boxes of WWB I've bought. Seems there was only one per box, though.

    I used to shoot bunches of CCI Blazer and only once encountered a bad round. After contacting customer service, providing pictures and a lot number, I was told the primer had probably been seated sideways (when fired, it had gone “pop” instead of “bang”). They sent a replacement box of 50 rounds even though I had not asked for it, and the CR rep was very friendly and straightforward. Hooray Blazer, not so much hooray Winchester.
     
  7. gun sane

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    I just received some .380 PDX-1 from an online seller. While the cases and bullets look clean, some of the primers and caseheads have what looks like slight pitting. It honestly looks like something that has been reloaded. I've compared it to some .38 special PDX1 that I bought about a year ago, and the difference is very obvious.

    I've also had some recent problems with 9mm white box at Walmart and suspect that Winchester may be selling off their less-than-standard stuff at discount prices. It won't matter so much for training ammo, but PDX1 is intended for more serious purposes.
     
  8. vellocet

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    Must be time to start shooting Russian.
     
  9. Tcruse

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    "The truth is a company will more than likely get negative press even if they try to make it right. They are unintimidated by these threats because of this."

    Not necessarily, I know one computer company that made the decision to not burn in machines prior to shipment and then give really good service if the customer had a problem. The customers were generally so happy for the post sale service that they did not even notice the higher failure rate.
     
  10. miliescu

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    PDX1 Defender or not

    Thank you so much for sending the word out about what cheap Winchester ammo is. I used PDX1 .410 for my new Governor, and it mis-fired 1 out of 4 or 5. I used other ammo with my (new) revolver (ACP, 45 colt, 410 by Federal) and I did not have one mis-fire. The PDX!"Defender" is not a defender afterall. I called S&W and I found the reason of this (also confirmed by the gun dealer) the Winchester company uses heavy (read chep) primer. Winchester should not call PDX1 a defensive round because my family would actually be very unsafe if this ammo is in my revolver. Please spread the word on this really bad ammo. I called the company and left a message. No follow up call from Winchester. Shame...:mad:
     
  11. robb01

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    This is why I always check every round I load

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  12. blarby

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    Elano :

    Whats that recipe for under your WWB of fail ?

    Totally unrelated, I know....but I'm a curious one !
     
  13. GRUMPA

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    It's ironic in a way about the WWB stuff, here I reload my own and sell some to the locals. It kinda makes me laugh inside when people comment on how reloaded stuff "Blows Up A Gun" when there are manufactures that make this stuff that have more defects in an average week than I've seen (reloaded) in a lifetime.
     
  14. HOWARD J

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    Last month I purchased 2-100ct bags of Winchester ( WIN) 9 MM brass
    Approx. 8% of each bag was unusable.
    This is the first time in about 40 years I had so many bad in one shipment.
     
  15. browningguy

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    So if they had offered you more money you wouldn't have said anything?
     
  16. SN13

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    I bought some WWB 9mm 100rd boxes. I shot the gun, the primer blew and i saw a visible flash out of the breech face/end of chamber area. The red-dot mount has a Charred mark from it. It failed to cycle. When I went to clear the chamber, the round fell into the range and was lost....

    My first issue with WWB, BUT until this outing I'd only bought .40... never 9mm.

    I may be sticking with Federal.

    ~SN
     
  17. GLOOB

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    ^ backwards primer!
     
  18. billdeserthills

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    I talked with a guy at the gun show, his Kahr PM-9 blew up in his had (chainfire) he blamed the WWB ammo, he had the pictures and was trying to get winchester to talk with him(pay him money) I don't know what became of him, but I have heard several similar tales concerning WWB ammo
     
  19. ChCx2744

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    Holy...I must be one of the fortunate ones that have not encountered any of these defects. All the WWB I've loaded and fired over the years have fed and shot reliably...But the only Winchester ammo I shoot is the WWB 115gr FMJs, 127gr +P+ T-Series and the 124gr +P T-Series. Never had a problem.
     
  20. guyfromohio

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    I found similar rounds in a case of Remington UMC Green box. My Blazer Aluminum is cheaper and has never failed me. Shoots clean too
     
  21. qcsmitty

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    WWB is scary.
     
  22. GCMkc

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    Went through 200rds of WWB at the range yesterday. Only had one hiccup due to a magazine issue. All rounds functioned fine, but I thought that there may have been 1 or 2 that were underpowered. I think I am just paranoid.

    Ammo purchased at Wal-Bobs
     
  23. Judge500

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    Colt 45 misboxed ammo

    To go along with all of the defective round reports is my latest.
    I purchased a 50 round box of Winchester 45 Colt Cowboy loads which turned out to be 44 cal. Smith and Wesson Spl. rounds. The whole box. When returned to the place of purchase we found every box in stock was also WRONG! Look at your ammo closely. Looks like the wheels are falling off at Winchester Q.C.
     
  24. searcher451

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    I've got a couple of dozen boxes of WWB in 9mm and will be sure to check all of it before running it through any of my pistols. But I must say that in more years of shooting that I care to admit to, I've never once ran into anything even remotely resembling anything like what's seen in the photos in the OP's initial offerings here. I've always had excellent luck with Winchester. It's sure worth checking round to round, though, after seeing this.
     
  25. Double Naught Spy

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    That is what he said. He would be made happy and keep his mouth shut if Winchester paid him off with 14.28 times the number of rounds he found defective. If they would not meet his demands for compensation well above the damages, he would share their naughty little secret.
     
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