Detroit woman killed when "hug" discharges firearm

[tydephan]

I would concur that the above scenario is plausible, but it seems to me that if that WERE the case, the story would have been framed by his department and/or the media as "shot while falling down" or something along those lines.

All of this is just conjecture. I hope the more cynical of you are proven wrong and we eventually find out what truly transpired.

I carry this same gun every day in a CTAC IWB holster.

 

[Skribs]

Tyde, is that a Comp Tac? I have one for my XD, seems pretty good. You're not going to hit the trigger while it's in the holster. Plus, they include a pack of Smarties in the box whenever I get a holster from them!

 

[Texan Scott]

Scenario: Alcohol, strip poker, Twister mat, lime jello (either as shots, or more likely in the blow-up kiddie pool in the kitchen)... and somebody is STILL not tellling the whole story.

 

[tydephan]

Tyde, is that a Comp Tac?

Yes sir. It's the most comfortable IWB holster I've found, and it keeps my gun darn secure. Of course I don't do the stank leg with it on, or any other type of "freak dancing".

Comptac is a good company. They get the majority of my business when I need kydex gear. And the smarties don't hurt.

 

[Eb1]

What if she hugged him from the side, and picked him up. Then bounced him around? You know how you pick someone up and kinda toss them. You know.. A Bear Hug.

With the bouncing him up in her arms she jiggled the gun loose, and the trigger was pulled. Either by the shirt, her button of her shirt, jewelry, etc...

 

[the_skunk]

Adaisha Miller was on her knees while dancing behind an off-duty Detroit police officer early Sunday when his holstered gun fired, striking her in the chest, a police official said told the Free Press today.

The official said that explains how Miller was shot in the chest while dancing behind Officer Isaac Parrish during a fish fry early Sunday at his home on Archdale.

The official said the angle of the gunshot is possible because Miller was not standing and described it as some type of "exotic dance" where Miller, 24, was tugging at Parrish’s waist.

Miller’s family members strongly disputed that account today.

“That’s just not plausible,” said Yolanda McNair, Miller’s mother.

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This is the 12th version of this cop's story.


http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/...it-mom-questions-how-daughter-shot-during-hug

 

[Skribs]

Source, skunk?

 

[BullfrogKen]

Adaisha Miller was on her knees while dancing behind an off-duty Detroit police officer early Sunday when his holstered gun fired, striking her in the chest, a police official said told the Free Press today

Police: Party-goer was on her knees dancing when officer's holstered gun went off

Here, it seems.


Same story also says this -

McNair said she was told by witnesses at the hospital that her daughter and Parrish were side by side and she got a birthday hug from Parrish when the gun went off.

Some weird stuff was going on there, and the stories are not adding up.

 

[Teachu2]

Yeah...yeah, that's it! She was dancing! And his pants were on, well - saggin' ....

Tragic, no matter how it happened. For all we know, she grabbed him to pull herself off the floor.

S&W will probably get sued.

 

[Skribs]

Probably the girl's friend didn't want to tell the mom she was doing an exotic dance with a guy she didn't know. The mom sounds like she is just trying blame the officer at this point, with things like: "If she were on her knees, she would have been shot in the head, not the heart", as well as apparently not knowing the types of dance moves used.

It's a tragedy, but based on this report it sounds like a freak accident that I still believe could have been prevented with a proper holster. I don't understand how manufacturers get away with making cheap holsters that literally do nothing to protect the trigger.

 

[the_skunk]

 

[BullfrogKen]

Blame the holster, Skribs? Blame the company who made the holster?


Really?


How about some personal responsibility here.


The Officer chose that holster. No one made him buy it.

He chose to engage in activity that appeared more physical than anyone really wants to talk publicly about. He chose to do it while he was armed with that substandard holster.


Personal responsibility my friend.


The sad thing is reports are coming out that there was some really spicy dancing on, the kind of dancing you don't like to talk about when the buzz wears off and your head hurts the next morning. Everyone involved now seems ashamed of their behavior, and find it difficult to disclose.

 

[essayons21]

BullfrogKen,

Keep in mind that many departments issue holsters for off-duty carry, and if carrying in a different holster is allowed, it usually comes from an approved list and can be a PITA to meet the department standards to be allowed to use that holster.

For example, my employer issues a POS uncle mikes OWB pancake style nylon holster with the cheapo plastic retention strap, and we must use it until we have an opportunity to run through the full qualification course using our own personal holster, which must be from a list of approved manufacturers. It can take 6 months or more to get to the range to get a holster approved due to budget constraints and scheduling.

If it was a department issued holster or a department mandated holster, I forsee a settlement. If it was a personal holster choice, and it was within department policy, there will be a quick policy change re: off-duty holsters, and probably still a settlement.

So there may be some legitimate blame residing with the department with regards to the holster. As far as the dirty dancing while armed, that certainly shows poor judgement and an overall lack of responsibility on the part of this officer.

 

[BullfrogKen]

The media have repeatedly reported the police spokesperson saying there is no policy on off-duty holsters.

 

[Skribs]

Bullfrog, you're correct, he was wearing the holster, so it is partly his fault. However, I don't see a purpose for a holster that doesn't protect the trigger, so yes - I blame the manufacturer on this as well.

 

[FM12]

During a "lap dance" for the win!

 

[BullfrogKen]

Personal responsibility, dude.


The holster manufacturer never claimed it would protect the gun while doing the jiggy-freak dance and your partner fondels your gun.

And it our responsibility not to choose a holster when doing the jiggy-freak dance, because we know it's not secure.

 

[Agsalaska]

A couple of thoughts.

1. I will not try to make any sense out of, try to understand, or in any way consider the comments made by the mother. She is experiencing a worst nightmare and has my deepest sympathy. I feel terrible for her.

2. If I were questioning the Cop, question number 1 would be 'why did you have a gun on a dance floor after midnight in a soft holster.' That is ill advised at least and quite possibly negligent.

3. From what I can tell, the girl did absolutely nothing wrong.

4. I get the feeling, referring back to comments 2 and 3, that the vast majority of you have never seen what an inner city after midnight sales floor in many years. Good for you.

 

[mgkdrgn]

"Detroit Police Chief Ralph Godbee said Monday the gun was in a waist holster made of soft material that would have allowed the trigger to be pulled."

Horse poop

 

[Eb1]

3. From what I can tell, the girl did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well you could speculate that the girl was using the gun out of the holster doing some pretty "jiggy-freak" moves with a certain body part beginning with "C" that runs vertical on a females chest.
Pulling the trigger not even expecting the gun to go BANG!!! In which case she did "Rule #1" wrong. Then more wrong from there.

Please, I tried to stay as High Road as possible.

 

[Skribs]

How she was dancing isn't relevant to the legality or safety of the problem, merely to explain the trajectory. It doesn't seem like she violated rule #1 intentionally. It sounds like she grabbed at his belt line (probably related to either the dance moves or to pull herself up) and her finger inadvertently manipulated the trigger through pants and holster.

I'd also say this is probably a good reason to look a the lever-style safety on a Glock trigger over the hinged safety on a M&P. The Glock safety requires you to pull the trigger from the middle in order to pull the trigger all the way rear.

 

[tydephan]

I'd also say this is probably a good reason to look a the lever-style safety on a Glock trigger over the hinged safety on a M&P. The Glock safety requires you to pull the trigger from the middle in order to pull the trigger all the way rear.

Or, perhaps make the decision to carry in a decent holster.

ANY gun I carry that doesn't have some type of manual safety gets carried in a kydex holster that has some level of retention and COMPLETELY covers the trigger guard.

In my opinion, the blame here can be placed squarely on the officer's decision to engage in THIS activity whilst carrying a gun in what has seemingly been described as a substandard holster.

Hopefully we'll know more in the near future.

 

[BCCL]

I can't for the life of me imagine a scenario here, where the officer is not responsible, if for no other reason that engaging in this conduct while armed...........

End of the day, it's HIS responsibility to conduct himself properly and safely.

 

[Skribs]

Or, perhaps make the decision to carry in a decent holster.

I had already been advocating this point. I fail to see how the hinge safety works, except to prevent something at the top of the trigger guard from pulling. The lever safety prevents a glancing snag from pulling the trigger.

if for no other reason that engaging in this conduct while armed...........

Him being armed wasn't the issue. Choice in holster was.

 

[X-Rap]

It's hard for me not to look at the guy carrying the gun and not hold them at fault. You have a guy that is carrying a gun in what appears to be a substandard holster engaging in what we never may know at a party in the wee hours. We don't even know if he or the woman were intoxicated.
It took a bunch of circumstances to come together for this tragedy and there were forks in the road along the way in which it could have been avoided as usual. You can call this armchair quarter backing or what ever but he as the carrier of the gun made some bad decisions.