Do You Carry Concealed into your Church?

[orionengnr]

It's not the odds...it's the stakes. Put another way:

"One in a million" means nothing to the million.

Means everything to the one...especially if you are the one.

 

[old lady new shooter]

If the father knew that Roof was under indictment for a felony drug charge, and if that crime has a possible sentence in excess of one year, the father broke this federal firearms law. Depends greatly upon the date of each incident (birthday gift vs. felony indictment).

I just heard the indictment was in February, and I think I read his birthday was in March.

 

[jamesinalaska]

9 dead is bad, but not as bad as . . .

9 Million.

It is a tragedy to hear of events like these. But let me tell you something, I have been fortunate enough to have traveled all over the world, and I can certify from first hand experience that the nations where firearms are kept from citizens, the murder rate from mass killings goes from a few dozen into the millions. And the murderers are no longer a crazy few, but the governments themselves.

Look at the examples of Cambodia, Vietnam, Burma, China, Russia, Australia (and their genocide activities against the Aboriginal people), America (and her genocides against native americans peoples), Turkey, Albania, the Slavs, and every nation inside of Africa. To become disarmed is to invite death into your home.

 

[Shovelhead]

Morning news reports he used money, given to him by his parents for his birthday, to purchase the firearm.

 

[Jack.I]

That's essentially what the guest ex-judge on Fox said this AM -- that the shooter reportedly reloaded a number of times while apparently none of the victims and potential victims were armed to fight back.

Given that he reloaded 5 times, I'm pretty sure that even the most feeble of us would have been able to get at least one shot off. The incident should be a rally cry for the elimination of gun-free victim zones.

 

[packpike]

You can carry concealed in SC in church as long as you have permission from 'church leadership' so it's not a gun-free zone here. I carry concealed while in my church building and my pastor is aware.

 

[X-Rap]

If you have to ask it sure isn't a gun friendly zone.

 

[dbp]

If you have to ask it sure isn't a gun friendly zone.

Depends on how you define "gun friendly". Most of the gun stores in my area prohibit carrying while in the store. Would you consider these gun stores to not be gun friendly?

 

[Cee Zee]

I have to wonder why it is that gun control never gets brought up when black people kill black people. But when white people kill black people politicians can't get to the camera fast enough to start calling for gun confiscation. Sometimes I wonder if they really want to disarm white people.

I really hate putting it this way. I'm not a racist. My daughter in law is black and I think the world of her. She has never felt anything but welcome in my house. But racial politics are real. Baltimore has had a tremendous run of murder since those cops were arrested in some crazy court proceedings that were like - what's faster than a kangaroo? But I don't hear calls for gun control over that. Dear leader seems bent on taking guns away from us whenever there's a problem caused by white folks but blacks apparently can kill each other at will. I don't know if they just want to disarm white people or if they just don't care how many black people get killed as long as other blacks do it.

This is a terrible way to have to look at things but there's truth here. What that jerk did was horrible beyond belief. He didn't help his cause (good) and he didn't help ours either.

 

[X-Rap]

Depends on how you define "gun friendly". Most of the gun stores in my area prohibit carrying while in the store. Would you consider these gun stores to not be gun friendly?

Yep
I don't see gun stores listed as places that the state specifies as having special requirements or prohibitions in SC.
If the private GS owner wants to turn business away and risk loosing his livelihood fine.
So should it be with churches, medical offices and other areas that the states has regulated.
We almost always expect the state to be overreaching and looking at many ofthe various states laws prove that.

 

[Red Wind]

I have to wonder why it is that gun control never gets brought up when black people kill black people. But when white people kill black people politicians can't get to the camera fast enough to start calling for gun confiscation. Sometimes I wonder if they really want to disarm white people.

You are absolutely correct, Cee Zee. On a May weekend last month, 28 black citizens were murdered in Chicago, all killed by black perpetrators.

There was not a peep out of President Obama, Hillary Clinton or any other "Progressive" politician that I know about.

But yesterday, with the 9 Charleston victims not even buried yet, Obama and Hillary Clinton were all over the news, politicizing the issue, calling for gun control and criticizing the evil gun lobby for allowing these atrocities to occur.

Obama even boldly lied and said these mass shootings do not occur in other "industrial advanced" countries. He seems to have forgotten about the U.K., France, Germany, Norway and many others where where mass murder by firearms have occurred in recent years. We can read about that here.

It should be noted that not that long ago advanced nations in Europe were busy throwing people into ovens or starving millions on purpose. The idea that violence is uniquely American is best left to fringe leftists on college campuses. Moreover, as The Associate Press reported in 2012, many experts contend that mass shootings are not growing in frequency at all. One has data that shows that mass shootings reached their peak in 1929 and have declined steadily since. Overall, gun violence has also been declining since 1993.

 

[ldlfh7]

I do not see how any legislation could make a difference when a crazy ***** decides to commit a heinous act.

 

[Red Wind]

I do not see how any legislation could make a difference when a crazy ***** decides to commit a heinous act.

There isn't any. And leftist politicians know it also. But, like Stalin,Hitler,Pol Pot, Castro, ad nauseum, they just want to take the guns away from the citizenry and have absolute control.

As Lord Acton famously said 150 years ago, "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

 

[mgmorden]

Depends on how you define "gun friendly". Most of the gun stores in my area prohibit carrying while in the store. Would you consider these gun stores to not be gun friendly?

Absolutely. I haven't seen any shops around here that don't allow carry. If I saw a sign indicating that carry was prohibited I wouldn't patronize the store. Sometimes I'm flexible if its a restaurant or something, but a gun store should know better.

 

[Cee Zee]

I do not see how any legislation could make a difference when a crazy ***** decides to commit a heinous act.

Apparently they have never heard of those things we call "bombs". Plus a person can build their own gun if they want to do mayhem bad enough. These losers never seem to have jobs so they have plenty of time on their hands to build all sorts of stuff. Then there's that other thing - what's it called - oh yeah - knives. They have been known to kill people. Don't fret. France has banned all knives with sharp points. I don't know about you but I bet watermelons feel safer in France now.

 

[mgmorden]

I have to wonder why it is that gun control never gets brought up when black people kill black people. But when white people kill black people politicians can't get to the camera fast enough to start calling for gun confiscation. Sometimes I wonder if they really want to disarm white people.

Not so much a race thing as it is "mass shootings". Its all related to how much spin they can put on it. To the media 9 people getting killed in one spot is infinitely worse than 9 getting killed 5 minutes apart all around town.

They want to legislate based on emotion, which is precisely the way things are NOT supposed to work. Why are family members of the victims kept from sitting on a jury? Why is Lady Justice portrayed as wearing a blindfold? Because when dealing with the law (either drafting it or prosecuting it) emotion is not supposed to come into play.

Somewhere along the way our country has forgotten this.

 

[Cee Zee]

Not so much a race thing as it is "mass shootings".

Ever hear of Christopher Dorner? Black man - killed 4 people including 3 LEO's - the year was 2013. Did Dear Leader run for the nearest camera? Did the MSM even cover this?

How about Omar S. Thorton? In 2010 he killed 8 people at his job because they were going to discipline him for stealing inventory. Does anyone know his name? I bet everyone here knows the name Dylan Klebold. One was 5 years ago. The other more than 15 years ago. Did you hear a call for gun control after Thorton went on his killing spree?

 

[Red Wind]

Whatever ,gun control will not be seriously on the table until after the 2016 elections. And even then only if Clinton wins.

 

[Cee Zee]

Whatever ,gun control will not be seriously on the table until after the 2016 elections. And even then only if Clinton wins.

You're probably right but Dear Leader can try a few more end runs around congress and the law. He's done it a lot and lately the so call opposition has been helping him do it.

I don't think can succeed with a straight up law on a national level but that doesn't stop them from trying and they are motivated to try by rotten politics. It just makes me sick to be honest. Trying to make political points using the deaths of fine Americans just is a rotten thing to do. I hear the families of the victims on TV today saying they forgive the shooter. That's the power of God's love right there. It's real. But Dear Leader can't use the tragedy fast enough to help push his agenda. He could learn a lot from those family members. But he won't. I have total admiration for what they have done and total contempt for what Dear Leader has done.

 

[Red Wind]

I totally agree. But all the stats are against Dear Leader.Gun homicides at ther lowest levels since the early 1960's .Gun related injuries the lowest in the same time period.

Even with the MSM in his pocket, the numbers don't lie. And all this with twice as many guns in Americans hands since 1993. The libs have lost this battle..

 

[Drail]

But Comrade, we must never allow facts to get in the way. We have an AGENDA to shove.

 

[Cee Zee]

But Comrade, we must never allow facts to get in the way. We have an AGENDA to shove.

And don't forget Comrade, never let a tragedy go to waste. There's always some way to use it.

BTW I assume the killer had a pistol or I believe we would have heard if he had one of those EBR's.

 

[berettaprofessor]

News reports are that he had a 45. Likely a 1911.

 

[kimberkid]

News reports are that he had a 45. Likely a 1911.

Earlier today I heard it was a Glock

 

[Swing]

Earlier today I heard it was a Glock

Indeed. According to CNN, it was a Glock 41.