Do you ever show your CCW when asked for photo ID?

[JohnKSa]

I doubt that, in the course of casing my home, a putative burglar would have any reason to ask me for two state-issued photo ID.

This is being intentionally obtuse. At least I hope it is.

The point is that the more you show your permit around, the more people who know you have guns. The more people who know you have guns, the more likely it is that someone with nefarious intent will learn it.

Better than when we are here.

Missing the point.

The point is that it's better that it happen not at all. As I stated above, why intentionally increase your risk of being a target of burglary if there's no reason to do so.

But no, it wouldn't be quite that easy.

Hopefully it wouldn't be that on your home either.

If your only home security is you with a gun, you're doing it wrong.

And this is missing the point again. Regardless of what security you have, it's best that you not be burglarized in the first place. Sure, it's great if your burglar alarm/big dog/claymore mines/etc. chase the bad guy away before he can take your stuff, but it's better yet if he kicks in someone else's door instead of yours.

 

[Shroomie]

I've used my CWL as an ID about eight or ten times. Some on accident, and some because I lost my driver's license for a few days.

Hooter's wouldn't serve me a beer with it, but my bank had no problem cashing a $2,000 check. I thought that was a little funny.

 

[joeoim]

Absolutely not.
The whole purpose of concealed carry is to keep it private.

Joe

 

[Warp]

Missing the point.

The point is that it's better that it happen not at all. As I stated above, why intentionally increase your risk of being a target of burglary if there's no reason to do so.And this is missing the point again. Regardless of what security you have, it's best that you not be burglarized in the first place. Sure, it's great if your burglar alarm/big dog/claymore mines/etc. chase the bad guy away before he can take your stuff, but it's better yet if he kicks in someone else's door instead of yours.

I'm not missing the point at all.

If you want to play those games...why do you choose to intentionally increase the risk of you or your family being targeted for violent personal attack?

Or I suppose I should word it as 'not decrease the chance of' you or your family being targeted for violent personal attack.

Again, I would rather choose the option that reduces the chances of myself or my family being attacked, even if it *might* come at the cost of an increase in the chances of my unoccupied home being targeted.

You are free to choose differently.

 

[kjwagner]

The Alabama one is not laminated, has no photo and is just a little piece of paper. So no.

For a little more money, you can get a plastic CCW, with your picture on it. (in Alabama)

 

[JohnKSa]

If you want to play those games...why do you choose to intentionally increase the risk of you or your family being targeted for violent personal attack?

I wouldn't, and I don't. I take any number of steps to insure that my home is not targeted for criminal activity. One of those steps is minimizing the number of people who know I own firearms.

Again, I would rather choose the option that reduces the chances of myself or my family being attacked, even if it *might* come at the cost of an increase in the chances of my unoccupied home being targeted.

The point is that you don't have to increase the chance of your home (occupied or otherwise) being targeted AT ALL.

One other very important issue that needs to be raised.

You seem to equate the idea of letting lots of people know you have firearms with a certainty that no one will ever target your occupied home. There are a number of problems with that kind of reasoning.

1. We know that some criminals are motivated enough by desirable materials to run the risk of armed defenders. We see the occasional gun store robbery, once in awhile an open carrier is attacked for his gun, and police officers firearms are stolen from time to time. The criminals simply prepare a bit more carefully than they would otherwise--if they're rational. Or, if they're not, they just go for it. So knowing that they might encounter armed defenders is not a sure deterrent, although it does serve as a deterrent for some criminals.

2. Unless you have a sign on your door letting people know when the house is occupied and when it's not, there's the chance that the criminals may make a mistake about when someone is home and when they're not. So you could think you're only making your unoccupied home a target and run into a criminal who isn't careful enough to insure that the house is unoccupied before he and his accomplices break in.

3. Even if they manage to insure that there's no one home, a family member could arrive home while the home intrusion is in progress and surprise an intruder who was very careful to insure that the home was empty before entering.

So criminals might ignore the deterrence factor, or they might try to circumvent it by trying to enter your unoccupied home and make a mistake.

In other words, the deterrence factor you're counting on isn't a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination. It's only a sure thing if the criminals are rational, and/or aren't that determined, and/or are infallible when it comes to determining if the house is empty, and/or are infallible when it comes to knowing when someone will return home.

The point is that you don't want anyone targeting your home AT ALL. You don't want any criminal to think that your home has contents that might be more attractive than other houses in your area, AND, at the same time, you want to take steps to make your house look like a harder target than those in the area. Not MASSIVELY harder, or they're wonder what you're defending--just enough harder that there are obviously easier options available.

 

[saturdaynightpolitics]

I work for a security company and we do use CCW licenses when there are no other options and I will admit that I use it in a pinch at the gun shop because my DL doesn't have my current address! I haven't ever had a problem its all govt issued.

 

[Bluelight]

Virginia has no picture on the permit and you are not actually required to have it with you. I would not use that as ID anyway just so I would not raise any shock value. But some restaurants give a discount if you are carrying open or show a permit.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Virginia has no picture on the permit and you are not actually required to have it with you. I would not use that as ID anyway just so I would not raise any shock value. But some restaurants give a discount if you are carrying open or show a permit.

Can you point me to someplace where I can find such restaurants?

I probably wouldn't show a permit/open carry there anyway, even for a discount. As a retired squid, most places happily give me a discount for showing them my retired military ID card. Heck, just last week Denny's gave me a 15% discount. I typically see 10%.

 

[gym]

It's perfectly fine to use your license at a bank that requires 2 picture ID''s to cash a check. That's about the only time I can remember using it. It was either that or go make something up with my picture on it, being that I have no other Picture ID. So it's a personal decision. If you choose not to use it, that's your business. After over 4 decades , 20 in NYC, believe me, no one cares, "in the bank", you wouldn't use it in any other places I could think of, unless you were asked by police, or buying a gun or shooting at the range in NYC.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Used the CHL this evening when using a Visa card.

A couple stores in town asks for ID when you use a Credit Card.

My CHL is first up in my wallet under the clear window.
So, as I usually do, I just flip open the wallet and show the CHL for ID.

The Texas CHL has your Driver's License number just under your CHL number.

Maybe it's just Texas but the clerks just go about their business.

I would not use that as ID anyway just so I would not raise any shock value

Far from "shock value'" I've introduces a number of new and inexperienced shooters to shooting and getting their CHL because when they see my CHL they start asking questions about shooting and how they can get their carry license.
We shooters have got to stop hiding and acting like we are doing something wrong and start trying to "spread the word" when we can. The way I look at it is every person I get into shooting is another vote against the anti-gun liberals.



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[JohnKSa]

I've introduces a number of new and inexperienced shooters to shooting and getting their CHL because when they see my CHL they start asking questions about shooting and how they can get their carry license.

Yes, "evangelism" is a valid reason to use a CHL as an ID. It can open up a conversation that may result in a "conversion" if it is handled well and the target doesn't already have their mind made up.

It's important to understand that while it is a valid reason to use a CHL as an ID when it's not absolutely necessary, the fact that it's a valid reason doesn't change or affect any of the arguments about the potential risks of doing so that I mentioned in my earlier post.

It's exactly the same as religious evangelism. People don't do religious evangelism (or any evangelism) because it's practical or makes good sense from the standpoint of personal risk evaluation, but rather in spite of the fact that it's often impractical and tends to increase personal risk. They do so because they are driven by an overarching motivation that they perceive as important enough to justify the practical disadvantages of their course of action.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Yes, "evangelism" is a valid reason to use a CHL as an ID. It can open up a conversation that may result in a "conversion" if it is handled well and the target doesn't already have their mind made up.

Similarly, open carry is a form of "evangelism." And both using the CHL and open carry results in de-sensitization. People see and know others around them are armed, and it's no big deal.

 

[Intrepid Dad]

Useful as backup ID

I used my CCW once when I was flying and left my Driver's License at home. I was flying from Colorado Springs to Oklahoma City and the TSA agents on both ends didn't blink. I was glad to have it as backup ID. Now I carry my passport for that purpose.

 

[Bluelight]

For RetiredUSNChief, the "All Around Pizza" is one that gives the discount.

 

[Ringer]

I only show mine to avoid the background check phone call when purchasing a gun. If I'm in a gun store buying a gun, pretty sure everyone there already knows I own guns.

What are these situations that keep being brought up that require two PHOTO ID's. I can't think of a time that has ever happened. I have shown a credit card as a second form of ID but never a second photo ID.