TTv2
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I was watching something about 7.62x54r recently and in the video the guy mentioned that while Mosin rifles are unspectacular in regards to accuracy, the 7.62x54r case is very well designed and that it is a shame that gun manufacturers in the US have never bothered to make more modern rifles for the chambering.
That got me to thinking that there's a sort of test gun companies have to determine if making a gun in a certain chambering is worth it if the ammo is "rare" and the test is: Does Federal make ammo for it?
Federal doesn't make any 7.62x54r, .32 ACP, etc. so US gun companies by in large avoid making guns in those calibers, even though they are quite popular.
I mean, nothing else explains why Ruger would pull the 5.7 rabbit out of its hat considering it has been around 30 years and the AWB expired in 2004 other than they saw that Federal makes ammo for it. Forget that .22 TCM is superior in shorter barrels than 5.7 is, forget that 7.62x25 is a bigger bullet that is still relatively fast and ammo costs less than 5.7 does, Federal makes 5.7 ammo and they helped Ruger sell a bunch of .327 revolvers, so both backs are getting scratched.
Yeah, sure, foreign ammo companies like PPU, Magtech, Tula, Wolf, etc. might make lots of cheap ammo for certain calibers that Federal doesn't, but to gun manufactures those ammo companies don't exist and neither does internet ammo sales. What you see on the shelf at Walmart (or use to) or your LGS is what's available, so they focus on guns to shoot ammo you can buy.
Conversely, ammo companies won't make ammo for guns that aren't popular or common, yet all the AK's and SKS' and Mosins out there you would think that Federal and Remington would start making ammo for those guns or in 7.62x39's case making steel case ammo that's better than the Eastern Europe stuff for maybe 10 cents more a round. Currently if a US ammo company makes a 7.62x39 ammo, it's a brass case premium hunting round that costs $1/round. People buy the cheap steel stuff because it's cheap, but if you give them a better option that's a bit more, but not terribly more, they will buy it.
Idk, I just get the sense that there's a lot of potential for US gun companies to make guns for certain calibers, but they're not gonna make those guns unless certain ammo companies make ammo for them.
That got me to thinking that there's a sort of test gun companies have to determine if making a gun in a certain chambering is worth it if the ammo is "rare" and the test is: Does Federal make ammo for it?
Federal doesn't make any 7.62x54r, .32 ACP, etc. so US gun companies by in large avoid making guns in those calibers, even though they are quite popular.
I mean, nothing else explains why Ruger would pull the 5.7 rabbit out of its hat considering it has been around 30 years and the AWB expired in 2004 other than they saw that Federal makes ammo for it. Forget that .22 TCM is superior in shorter barrels than 5.7 is, forget that 7.62x25 is a bigger bullet that is still relatively fast and ammo costs less than 5.7 does, Federal makes 5.7 ammo and they helped Ruger sell a bunch of .327 revolvers, so both backs are getting scratched.
Yeah, sure, foreign ammo companies like PPU, Magtech, Tula, Wolf, etc. might make lots of cheap ammo for certain calibers that Federal doesn't, but to gun manufactures those ammo companies don't exist and neither does internet ammo sales. What you see on the shelf at Walmart (or use to) or your LGS is what's available, so they focus on guns to shoot ammo you can buy.
Conversely, ammo companies won't make ammo for guns that aren't popular or common, yet all the AK's and SKS' and Mosins out there you would think that Federal and Remington would start making ammo for those guns or in 7.62x39's case making steel case ammo that's better than the Eastern Europe stuff for maybe 10 cents more a round. Currently if a US ammo company makes a 7.62x39 ammo, it's a brass case premium hunting round that costs $1/round. People buy the cheap steel stuff because it's cheap, but if you give them a better option that's a bit more, but not terribly more, they will buy it.
Idk, I just get the sense that there's a lot of potential for US gun companies to make guns for certain calibers, but they're not gonna make those guns unless certain ammo companies make ammo for them.