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AND IT'S SPREADING ALL OVER THE U.S.......FASTER THEN YOU THINK!

1. A recent story in the Los Angeles times (June, 2002) stated that 40% of all workers in L.A. County are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

3. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

4. Over 100,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles county are living in garages.

5. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

6. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Polls show that most Americans want something done about illegal immigration, but are afraid to speak out because they don't want to be labeled as racist, or anti-immigrant. That's the weapon open border advocates use. It is very effective, and they know it, so they use it at every opportunity.

Meanwhile the social and economic costs keep growing.

"The net cost of immigration is $70 billion a year." - George Borjas, Harvard professor. 2002 "Immigration is estimated to cost Californians $1,300 per household annually in additional taxes." -- Costly immigration, Paul Craig Roberts

"Immigration costs U.S. born workers $133 billion a year in job losses." - Economics professor George Borjas

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE $55,200, [Center for Immigration Studies, 2001].

Overall, migrants from around the world send $30 billion to relatives back home. $23 billion last year to Latin America and the Caribbean. $10 billion was sent home to Mexico alone. Filipino workers send $6 billion a year and 10,000 cash transfers are sent to China each month, averaging $2,000 to $3,000 each.

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

Our politicians MUST be PUSHED or this will continue and only get worse.

Start by participating with organizations like Numbersusa which is working to curtail illegal immigration. Numbersusa will provide you with many easy actions to choose from to CURB ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and reduce immigration numbers to healthy levels. Registering with the network costs you nothing and obligates you to nothing. There's nothing to join and your name will not be shared with any other entity. All information you provide here is confidential. No information will be shared with anybody. http://www.numbersusa.org This is a great organization!

Join organizations like F.A.I.R., who work to reduce immigration levels. http://www.fairus.org

And e-mailing or writing your representaives has much more impact then voting. http://www.congress.org/

The future of our country rests with it's people. It starts with YOU.
 
Economic warfare is being waged against the United States and the shock troops of the enemy are illegal immigrants.

The latest reports on income tax filings in California indicate that personal income tax payments are below expectations. No one in Sacramento seems to know what to do.

In another article in the Orange County Register, workman's compensation premiums for employers are four times what they would be in Arizona.

I hope to get out of this mad house PDRK before the legislature finally decides their only solution is to raise taxes even higher.
 
And this is related to firearms and/or civil rights how exactly?

1. Lost American civil rights.

2. Additional spurious votes for Democratic (sic) party candidates.

3. Tax increases that can't be spent as discretionary income.

4. Soaring crime rates.

Cheap labor never is!
 
Welcome to The High Road! Say, your call for social activism on your first post notwithstanding, what do you like to shoot? geegee
 
Get_Involved,

Welcome to THR.
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Since this post isn't related to firearms, I am moving it to Legal & Political which is the proper place for it.

Again, welcome.

pax
 
No biggie, easily fixed. :)

Now, about your post.

1. A recent story in the Los Angeles times (June, 2002) stated that 40% of all workers in L.A. County are working for cash and not paying taxes.
What percentage of the money they earn belongs to you -- and why?

pax

Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. -- Schopenhauer
 
If they place a burden on tax paying people, then the illegals are in the wrong.

I have seen articles where it is shown that the illegals can't pay their hospital bills, that places a burden on the ones who do pay their bills.

I have seen articles where a car load of illegals hits an insured motorist, and it is the illegals fault. But the illegals often don't have insurance or a legal job where money can be pulled by the courts before the person is paid, so the cost of repairing the vehicle falls to someone who should not have to carry the burden.

Some services like garbage and what not get overburdened when garages and other things are used as dwellings because the people who pay for the service have this leech in the garage helping to raise their costs.
 
1. A recent story in the Los Angeles times (June, 2002) stated that 40% of all workers in L.A. County are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

Not paying taxes? The horror!!

Since "predominantly" could be 51% out of that 40%, could we have a clearer guesstimate? In other words, how many of these non-tax-paying super-criminals are US citizens?


2. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

Seems to me the best and most Constitutional way to fix this particular point is to end welfare.

3. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

Just off-paw, I'd say that set of unlawful immigration problems is being taken care of.

4. Over 100,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles county are living in garages.

And how much rent are they paying to the garage owners? Rent money, I'd like to point out, that is going back into the economy.

5. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

"Most likely"? Right. *psst* Just between you, me, and the Carnivore program, I wouldn't trust the FBI if they told me that the sky is blue, water's wet and the sun is going to come up in the east tomorrow morning.

6. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

And how do we know this? Is there an blank on the HUD form marked "Illegal Alien: Yes/No"?

LawDog
 
Zander,

It most certainly was a serious question.

One of the reasons everyone is mad about illegals because the illegals aren't paying their fair share. Apparently the rest of us own some percentage of what these people earn. I want to know exactly what that percentage is -- and why.

pax

We do not know a truth without knowing its cause. -- Aristotle
 
Serious question,serious answer. If the illegals are collecting any benefits that are tax funded then by their not paying taxes they are keeping funds from those who do. With the convoluted laws it would probably take forever and a far better firm that Arthur Andersen to unravel it.
 
If the illegals are collecting any benefits that are tax funded then by their not paying taxes they are keeping funds from those who do.

Their are plenty of American citizens who don't pay taxes, 99.44% of the inhabitants of my jail come to mind. Not to mention most of those American citizens who receive welfare.

Is this one of those times where it's okay if an American citizen does it, but how dare anyone else try to do the same thing?

LawDog
 
Serious question,serious answer. If the illegals are collecting any benefits that are tax funded then by their not paying taxes they are keeping funds from those who do. With the convoluted laws it would probably take forever and a far better firm that Arthur Andersen to unravel it.
Ah, I see.

They owe you, because you paid them.

A nice bit of tail-chasing, isn't it?

pax

I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. -- Will Rogers
 
Pax

"I want to know exactly what that percentage is-- and why"?

I want to know the meaning of life, but....


Why do want to know? Isn't it bad enough that millions aren't paying income taxes but are bankrupting our county hospitals and overcrowding our schools? Isn't bad enough that there are 10 to 15 million illegal aliens in our country? What is your point?
 
What percentage of the money they earn belongs to you -- and why?

Easy, the same amount of taxes we pay, proportional to the money WE make. I assume you meant "we" (IRS/DOR) vs "you."

Fair. They pay fair share of taxes or GTF out. Also, they should have to repay any and all monies spent by ME, US, WE in setting them up, essentially, with medical insurance, housing, etc.

Get the pic?

Company's caught employing illegals should pay a heavy price for their inequities.

Let's equalize the playing field again for the minority - The True American Worker.
 
Get_Involved,

My point is that we can't fix it if we don't know what is causing it.

So I ask again: do you own a percentage of these people's labor?

Bruce says you do, because they have taken a portion of yours.

But if the taxes you pay are just your fair share of what you owe society, by what right do you complain about how society chooses to spend it? If that money belongs to the government, and not to you, what right do you have to complain if the government gives it away to illegals or burns it in the street?

You complain about the illegals, but only because they aren't getting robbed at the same rate you are yourself. You think if only they could be robbed in the same way you are being robbed, all would be well.

Frankly, I think the root cause of all the ills you listed isn't the presence of illegals. It's the presence of a government that acts as though we are its indentured servants -- and of willing slaves who are only interested in snatching the bread out of other slaves' mouths.

pax

Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. -- Oscar Wilde
 
The High Road had an interesting poll concerning cheating on income tax just last week. The poll, results and comments are here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18803

As far as bankrupting the local hospitals and schools, the number of legal leeches probably meets or exceeds the number of illegal leeches.

The only solution to this problem is to reform the welfare system.

Is it a Bad Thing that 10 to 15 million illegal aliens in this country? Why don't we ask an American Indian that question -- after all we've only got 10-15 million illegal aliens in our country, whereas the Indian tribes have upwards of 200 million illegals in their country.

LawDog
 
Pax


"what is causing it"?


Those in favor of foreign labor are corporations who are addicted to cheap labor. They are the ones who are benefiting. But their benefit comes at the American tax payer's expense when you consider that the American tax payer is virtually subsidizing the labor costs of the greedy corporations by supplying the illegal foreign workers and their families with welfare, free education, free medical, WICs, housing assistance, etc. -- something the corporations won't do.

Americans won't allow themselves to be exploited like illegals do, but they WILL do the work that illegals do for fair compensation and benefits. If Americans did the work that illegals do at higher pay, would that benefit the consumer? You bet it would in the long run. But many Americans who do not care about America's future are consumers who favor the idea of exploiting illegal workers because it keeps commodity and service prices down in the short term.

By the way...WE are the government.
 
LawDog

You are living in the past. This is 2003. And what about the people who were here before the Indians. With your logic, the Indians must be illegal aliens then. Stupid argument.
 
Those in favor of foreign labor are corporations who are addicted to cheap labor. They are the ones who are benefiting. But their benefit comes at the American tax payer's expense when you consider that the American tax payer is virtually subsidizing the labor costs of the greedy corporations by supplying the illegal foreign workers and their families with welfare, free education, free medical, WICs, housing assistance, etc. -- something the corporations won't do.

Americans won't allow themselves to be exploited like illegals do, but they WILL do the work that illegals do for fair compensation and benefits. If Americans did the work that illegals do at higher pay, would that benefit the consumer? You bet it would in the long run. But many Americans who do not care about America's future are consumers who favor the idea of exploiting illegal workers because it keeps commodity and service prices down in the short term.

By the way...WE are the government.
What is a corporation? Why does it exist? Where does its money come from and how does it get it?

Who is paying for those things, right now? (Hint: ask yourself how this is being paid for, right now, and where that money comes from.)

Americans won't allow themselves to be exploited like illegals do -- really? The illegal is working at wages he has agreed to accept, at work he went to great lengths to voluntarily seek out, and he does not bother with the indentured servitude of taxes. Who is willing to be exploited, here? I'll give you a hint: it ain't the illegal.

You are the government. OK. What percentage of what I earn belongs to you? And why?

pax

All the fiery rhetoric of the Founders was directed at a "tyrant" who taxed his subjects at a rate of about three percent. Today, we in "the land of the free" are taxed at about 50 percent when you add federal, state, and local taxes. – Doug Newman
 
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