Drunks and guns just dont mix.

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I know I have been a big fan on here before about drinking and guns threads before but here is why,
I went shooting with a friend of mine this weekend. Just rifle stuff. I carry a 1911 in the truck all the time I stinc it right between the seats with the grip up makes for a good holster while driving.

We finish up and decide to grab a few at the local bar no big deal. He gets a little slopy and decides its time to head home. Driving down the road to get back home he grabs my 1911 fiddeling with it and some how managed to drop it and knock the safety off all with in about 2 seconds picks it up muzzle pointing right at his chest.:what:

I get it away from him right away and proceed to start yelling at him while I am driving and watching traffic, hit a red light look over dude is passed out:banghead:

things I have learned, Dude had been drinking heavily the night before and before I picked him up to go to his range. I could not even tell at all. No more drinking with this guy, put the guns away before drinking with others
 
... so what about drinking and driving? Any question as to whether you were legal?

Also, how does the commonwealth of VA view that "holster rig" between the seats?
 
I'm waiting for the "drunks have a right to defend themselves, too" crowd to weigh in.

I believe it's true to say that many states penalize weapon handling or possession while intoxicated, or even under the influence. You are lucky neither you nor your friend was hurt.

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put the guns away before drinking with others
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Does that mean the rule doesn't apply to you?

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It seems that no one in that vehicle should have been any where near a fire arm. And probably not driving, either. :eek:
 
Makes sense to me. Your friend must get "happy hands" after he's been drinking.

You had a 1911, a good-looking gun, in my opinion, so it's kind of understandable he'd want to, umm, fondle it.

Next time keep an ugly gun between the seats. Try a Glock, nobody gropes a Glock.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
DFW1911
 
how does the commonwealth of VA view that "holster rig" between the seats
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I'm pretty sure it's okay so long as either he's in the car himself or the car's locked. I don't know that it's even illegal otherwise, although certainly there'd be a ton of potential liability.
 
I don't know if I'd quit drinking with him; it sounds like he's pretty good at that. But I'd DEFINITELY quit shooting with him!
 
My personal opinion is that you just should not mix alcohol and firearms at all. I know that there are many out there who argue a beer or two will not make you unsafe and they are correct-usually-to alter judgment or reflexes you need to go above a .04 and even then you may be OK.

My attitude is based upon image. If someone has an accident or an incident with a firearm and they have had alcohol even if it is insignificant and even if it was not a factor in the incident, all the focus of media and others goes to the stereotypical drunk with a gun. It is not right and it is not fair, but that is the reality that we function under at this time. We need to be concious of the effort that we do not turn someone who is neutral about firearms into an anti-gunner.

Physiologically you will not see effects if you are at or below a blood alcohol level of 0.04. Depending on your size and gender, this would translate into 1 or 2 twelve oz. beers. I have seen some people who were drinking heavily into the early morning hours and who were still up at prohibited levels of blood alcohol concentrations at noon the next day and had no business driving or handling firearms even then.
 
Alcohol + guns = fine... if you're not an idiot like your friend. Alcohol doesn't make people magically stupid, it just provides an excuse for them to act that way. Just because you and your friend can't handle your liquor and firearms at the same time, doesn't mean the rest of us can't. And FWIW, I've had Absinthe while CCWing. So take that tea-totalers. :).
 
As far as my driving ability at the time, no problems 2 beers of normal strength(5%) have no effect after that I prefer not to drive.

Should I be able to have a gun when I drink well I have the 2 beer limit. After that unload and put away. I know My only ad was when I was drunk many years ago. I have never done that since.

Holster in the seat, well it is not illegal I have a ccw and it is covered usualy with a hat ot somthing. I would wear it while driving but I have found the seatbelt blocks it and the seat belt is really uncomfortable as I am a big guy and it gets maxed out when I wear the gun.

No excuses for me and all are correct book answer is any drinking and no driving. Having a loaded gun book answer is the same. But we all know everyone has a diffrent oponion on everything.
 
My attitude is based upon image. If someone has an accident or an incident with a firearm and they have had alcohol even if it is insignificant and even if it was not a factor in the incident, all the focus of media and others goes to the stereotypical drunk with a gun. It is not right and it is not fair, but that is the reality that we function under at this time. We need to be concious of the effort that we do not turn someone who is neutral about firearms into an anti-gunner.
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This is my thought as well. While it is perfectly legal to drink and carry simultaneously in Florida, I don't do it for fear that I may have to defend myself and then I will be breathalyzed and in deeper crap than if I had not had anything to drink. My $30,000 attorney fees just jumped to $50K. All because of a few beers/shots. Not very smart.
 
Alcohol + guns = fine... if you're not an idiot like your friend. Alcohol doesn't make people magically stupid, it just provides an excuse for them to act that way. Just because you and your friend can't handle your liquor and firearms at the same time, doesn't mean the rest of us can't.
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Wrong.

Even drinking the night before a shoot, there is still alchohol in a persons system. Depending on how much the person drank, he would still be drunk.
I know a guy who drinks just beer everyday. He will drink drink 3- 6 a day. He does not appear drunk, but there is so much alcohol in his sytem. He once blacked out and did not know what he did. He side swiped about six vehicles while driving. Did`nt even know until the police came to his house and told him and looked at his truck.
 
Wow, your story had a happier ending than I was expecting. Thank goodness!

I typically save the beer for when I get back home, put up the ammo, and am cleaning everything. :D
 
2 beers? what you weigh? if i drink em fast enough i'll be legally over the limit in va. not guessing. .08 is not a lot
 
I'm waiting for the "drunks have a right to defend themselves, too" crowd to weigh in.
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so there are certain people who foreit their right to self defense? Aside from "drunks" are there others? Who gets to decide who can defend themselves?
 
So I'm to forfeit my right to self-defense because I'd like a beer with my steak?

At least GA (once Sonny signs it) no longer suspends my right to self-defense just because someone else might be enjoying a beer while I'm enjoying a steak.

Seems some just can't see the difference between carry vs. wielding if a little C2H5OH is in the vicinity.
 
True enough, Im283. I guess that people who have to take rx pain meds should not be allowed to carry.

How about folks taking anti-depressants?
It goes on and on, the Quaker like attitude.

Ya gotta wonder...

Biker
 
Drunks should defend themselves (and others) from themselves by not being armed, or not being drunk. Guns and alcohol don't mix--ask William S. Burroughs.
 
I'm not talking about taking anyone's rights away. Being impaired by alcohol lessens judgement, reaction time, and physical coordination. The most important, considering guns, is the judgement aspect. Yes, alcohol does make you stupid. Impaired judgement is a good definition of stupid. If you want to surround yourself with drunks with guns, be my guest. I'll find somewhere else to go.

If you're okay with a loved one being around drunks handling guns, then you'd have to be okay with the loved one being driven around by drunks. Are you against drunk driving laws? Oh, I forgot, driving isn't a constitutional right. LOL. You got me there!

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