Edward429451
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I took the Massad Ayoob approach once (exit & lock vehicle leaving weapon inside in plain view, skirting the terry search of grabbable area and maintaining officer safety and citizen safety). It worked but did not go over very well. She drew down on me and told me to get back in the vehicle, which I did not do. I slowly approached her with both hands visible asking what she wanted. She said she wanted me to get back in the vehicle. I said you must want to talk to me about something because you pulled me over so here I am.
She wanted to search the vehicle (denied), she wanted to retreive my "papers" from the glovebox (denied), she wouldn't let me retrieve the papers myself and got snotty and said she was going to write me up for no insurance, registration and emissions. I told her that all she had to do is run the plate and see that it would come back to my wife's name, and that the emissions sticker is on the windshield. Then she found a FTA for a traffic ticket on me so I suggested that perhaps this is a good time to declare my weapon to her. She said it's ok where its at and to leave it there. I suggested that since it was in plain view on the seat that it was not a good idea to leave it there cause it was very visible and prone to theft. Then she wanted to take the weapon into custody and I could go through the courts to get it back? I suggested she call my wife to come take the vehicle and secure the weapon to which she got very snotty and said something to the effect of "I'm not a public telephone service" to which I suggestethat since my wife was at home just a few blocks away that if she left the car & weapon there that I would consider that to be bad judgement on her part and unreasonable since it was a simple phone call and she did have a cell phone. If she wouldn't do that and the weapon was stolen that it would largely be her fault for being unreasonable on her part. She snatched the phone up.
At no time was I snotty or non polite. Very matter of fact and I believe I handled it very well and she was offended at my failure to roll over like a sheep, unquestioningly. I do not have a CCW permit and thought it was sound advice from Ayoob to be seperate from the weapon at the moment it was declared. Dunno how I could've handled it better and still retain some semblance of rights. But it still caused her to become PO'd. Emotionalism from a cop is very non professional.
She wanted to search the vehicle (denied), she wanted to retreive my "papers" from the glovebox (denied), she wouldn't let me retrieve the papers myself and got snotty and said she was going to write me up for no insurance, registration and emissions. I told her that all she had to do is run the plate and see that it would come back to my wife's name, and that the emissions sticker is on the windshield. Then she found a FTA for a traffic ticket on me so I suggested that perhaps this is a good time to declare my weapon to her. She said it's ok where its at and to leave it there. I suggested that since it was in plain view on the seat that it was not a good idea to leave it there cause it was very visible and prone to theft. Then she wanted to take the weapon into custody and I could go through the courts to get it back? I suggested she call my wife to come take the vehicle and secure the weapon to which she got very snotty and said something to the effect of "I'm not a public telephone service" to which I suggestethat since my wife was at home just a few blocks away that if she left the car & weapon there that I would consider that to be bad judgement on her part and unreasonable since it was a simple phone call and she did have a cell phone. If she wouldn't do that and the weapon was stolen that it would largely be her fault for being unreasonable on her part. She snatched the phone up.
At no time was I snotty or non polite. Very matter of fact and I believe I handled it very well and she was offended at my failure to roll over like a sheep, unquestioningly. I do not have a CCW permit and thought it was sound advice from Ayoob to be seperate from the weapon at the moment it was declared. Dunno how I could've handled it better and still retain some semblance of rights. But it still caused her to become PO'd. Emotionalism from a cop is very non professional.
