Enthusiast/collector or gun nut?

[Sistema1927]

I am a Sheepdog.

There are sheep, there are wolves, and there are sheepdogs. Everyone fits in one of these three categories.

 

[ksnecktieman]

Welcome to the high road playboy. I am a 2nd amendment "absolutist". I do not think there should be ANY restrictions on who can carry, what they can carry, or where they can carry. I think criminals should be locked up or executed as needed, but if they are released from prison their rights should be restored.
It is your choice if you own or carry a weapon. It should be my choice too. I know some people that I do not think should be armed,,,, but,,, if I have to make the decision on who can, and who can not, I will allow everyone. I could not live with myself if I disarmed someone, and they were killed by a criminal because they were unarmed.
Thank you for your military service. I assume you consider yourself adequate in hand to hand combat, so you have no need for a gun to defend yourself,, right? (What about your wife If you have one yet, or when you get one?) What about your mother, or your sister? Or even your father when he gets old and feeble?
IF someone is going to risk a long prison term to commit an armed robbery, or an assault with a firearm? Do you really think an additional six months for illegal use or carry of a weapon will deter him?

An armed society is a polite society, and if you doubt that, go to your local gun range, and look around.

 

[silverlance]

absolutist.

EVERYBODY who is deemed a free man should be allowed to own a gun. yes, including guys who have "done their time". not enough time? well, that's a justice dept problem.

 

[IndianaDean]

I'm with you, Silverlance. Once someone has paid their debt, it should all be erased.
I don't hunt, but only because I never had the oppurtunity growing up, nor the means, money, etc. If I had, it's very likely I'd be hanging out in the woods with Ted Nugent.

I don't spout the NRA bible. I spout the NRA, GOA, SAF, and JPFO bibles.

 

[mmike87]

I am all three. I love guns. I love shooting guns. I love holding guns. I love collecting guns. I find cleaning guns to be a very relaxing, tranquil experience.

Guns make me happy. Nut? Enthusiast? Collector? Yeah, that's me.

 

[Ryder]

I'm a gun nut Also a dog nut, a motorcycle nut, a computer nut, a car nut. I'm also a nuts about kids, especially grandkids, but I like them all.

As for your theory that societies elites can deprive me of anything they decree. I think you'll find you are swimming against the current on that one.

 

[Herself]

Good heavens! PlayboyPenguin, you haven't thought it all the way through. Unless you want to hew to some belief in "noble birth" or another form of aristocracy quite at odds with the underlying principles of this nation, your position doesn't make sense.

I don't think of myself as a person who thumps any organization's "Bible." I am someone who decided to not be a victim, to take responsibility for myself. That lesson was learned the hard way.

All creatures have the "right" to defend themselves to the best of their ability; that is axiomatic. The opossum hissing defiance at you through bared teeth is doing that. People are not as well-equipped with tooth and claw as even the opposum; we have no venom, no tentacles. We're tool makers and too users.

Humans are unique -- as far as we know! -- in that we can recognize that others may have the same rights as our own precious self; and that if all men are indeed equal before the law, then all men must must have an equal right to avail themselves of the means of self-defense to the extent they are able.

That mean ol' Joe "Shmoe," his cousin Joe Sixpack, Jane Doe, and such pinnacles of perfection as you and me do indeed all have the right to "walk around with a loaded gun." If you want that right for yourself, you're obliged to respect the right of others to do so as well. --If you would deny that right to yourself and others, remember that no society has ever managed to completly disarm the lawless among them; disarming the law-abiding is enabling the criminal.

None of us has the right to point a gun at at any other peaceable citizen. To do so is a criminal act.

To defend one's self or one's family against an actual threat is a basic right; to commit an act of aggression against someone minding their own business is a crime. Nobody has the right has a right to initiate force; everyone has the right to defend against an initiation of force.

Decent people don't start fights -- they finish them.

If that makes me a "gun nut," so be it. But I'd believe the same thing if the best means of self-defense available were crossbows or swords, too.

If you still have trouble with the right to self-defense, you might try substituting "books" or "religious belief" in your counter-arguments in place of "guns," and see if you're still as happy with them.

Self-defense is a more basic right than, and a prime support of, freedom of thought: a dead man doesn't do a lot of thinking, reading or believing, at least not in this world.

--Herself

 

[mnrivrat]

Thanks for the welcome and for the nod...but I do not believe every person does have a right to be armed.

Those with felony criminal convictions are stripped of their rights to own firearms in this country.

Who would you strip of their rights ? Why ? and quite frankly - who are you that you would feel qualified to make the decision regarding others ?

 

[depicts]

Gun Lover

I love guns. Their beauty, precision and feel. I love to target shoot, and carry for self protection and delf defense.

I don't want dangerous Bozo's to carry firearms, so I believe that anyone convicted of violent crime, or proven dangerous through the use of violence in any way, should be restricted in their right to own most firearms.

On the other hand, I don't want you or anyone else telling ME what I can own, use, carry, buy or sell. I AM Joe Schmoe....just Mister next door, and I believe I have the right to do the above.

I have no criminal record, I pay my taxes, I am a combat veteran. I carry whenever possible, keep a gun near my bed at night, and God help anyone who tries to harm my wife, family, especially my Grandchildren, or the innocent while I have breath in me to stop them. I've had more than my share of violence in my time, and I don't want any more, but there are bad people in this world, and we have a GOD GIVEN right to protect ourselves

 

[sm]

I am a Sheepdog.

There are sheep, there are wolves, and there are sheepdogs. Everyone fits in one of these three categories.

Agree.

Well maybe a Rebel Sheepdog better suits me.


Correia- don't let him fool you. His daughters want Purple ARs IIRC. That is the real reason he got a gun shop...them kids are gonna want guns and daddy is gonna needed inexpensive employees.

 

[depicts]

PlayboyPenguin has a talent

I just wnet back to all of PlayboyPenguin's post (24) from the past two days since he registered.

I think he is the best speller on this board

Welcome PP

 

[Hypnogator]

As for myself, I am a firearms aficionado.

That's a college educated gun nut.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

I just wnet back to all of PlayboyPenguin's post (24) from the past two days since he registered.

I think he is the best speller on this board

Welcome PP

ugh...I am a horrible speller..and an ever worse typist. I would have used the word aficionado (as hypnogator did) instead of enthusiast but I did not want to try and spell it. All of my posts end up with two or three eidts .

 

[Mad Chemist]

Thanks for the welcome and for the nod...but I do not believe every person does have a right to be armed. I know every supreme court decisions agrees with me also. As far as some people considering it a "god given right" there is no such thing. Any right you enjoy in organized society is granted by your fellow man.It is up to us to maintain certain freedoms and when some people want to abuse them or take them too far we risk losing them. I am always turned off a little when I am in a gun shop and i start hearing yahoos talking their crap about blowing "someone away" or "defending their rights". I know the vast majority of these guys have never had a gun even pulled on them much less had to return fire (regardless what they say in their colorful stories on message boards and in gun shops). Once you actually have to use a weapon you truely realize the consequences.

You've been called out PP.
Some well respected members of this board have examined your argument and found it lacking.
Can you respond? Do you concede? Or are you just another agenda troll?

JH

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

You've been called out PP.
Some well respected members of this board have examined your argument and found it lacking.
Can you respond? Do you concede? Or are you just another agenda troll? JH

I must have missed that part...point it out to me.

 

[cz75bdneos22]

i like guns and i like to use them at the range..i don't hunt, i don't carry and i did not buy them for defense of self or property..i did so cuz i could...if i could not buy them anylonger, i would do fine too. then, i would just spend the money on some other thing like...more cars, motorcycles or travelling.

 

[mnrivrat]

Not sure which posts Mad Chemist is refering to but how about addressing the questions I asked earlier. You see, I talked to Joe Smoe a little while ago and he realy would like to know what he doesn't have that you have . He wants to know why he shouldn't be allowed to have the same rights as you or anyone else.

Who would you strip of their rights ? Why ? and quite frankly - who are you that you would feel qualified to make the decision regarding others ?

He also thinks that in an organized society the only question is what rights are taken away from you for the common good - not what rights your granted.

He also seems to dis-agree with your premise that there are no such thing as god given rights - he's an atheist so he calls them natural rights , but you get the idea. He is having trouble figuring out what makes him somehow something less than you , and who determines that ?

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

i like guns and i like to use them at the range..i don't hunt, i don't carry and i did not buy them for defense of self or property..i did so cuz i could...if i could not buy them anylonger, i would do fine too. then, i would just spend the money on some other thing like...more cars, motorcycles or travelling.

Ohhh...motorcycles...a love I am no longer allowed to enjoy. A couple shattered knees, a pin in my collarbone, and several concussions and broken bones later and I am told they are too dangerous and unless I want to be single again I will stay off them. MOTORCYCLES DO NOT MAIM PEOPLE !!!!PEOPLE MAIM MOTORCYCLES..err...wait....people maim people...whatever...am I making sense???

I do like to travel though...Alaska here I come in May.

 

[Mad Chemist]

I must have missed that part...point it out to me.

Your trite response would be more interesting if it wasn't simply an evasion.
This is YOUR thread. You posted it on a pro-firearms dicussion board. You claimed that CCW is a bad idea and should be more restricted. Your argument was weak, at best, and was summarily reduced to the fallacies of its parts by other members of this board. Ben Ezra and Herself stated it rather clearly and I do not feel it's necessary to summarize their thoughts. You could have supported your stance or honorably conceded the points made. Instead you post simple one-liners and contribute nothing to the forum.

signal:noise
JH

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Your trite response would be more interesting if it wasn't simply an evasion.
This is YOUR thread. You posted it on a pro-firearms dicussion board. You claimed that CCW is a bad idea and should be more restricted. Your argument was weak, at best, and was summarily reduced to the fallacies of its parts by other members of this board. Ben Ezra and Herself stated it rather clearly and I do not feel it's necessary to summarize their thoughts. You could have supported your stance or honorably conceded the points made. Instead you post simple one-liners and contribute nothing to the forum.

signal:noise
JH

Actually...in all seriousness I do not see where I have been rebuked...I see where others have stated their opinions...which they are entitled to have. I do not concede that their opinions are right or wrong... just different. I stand by what I say when I do not feel that every person is qualified to CCW. I also stand by my statement that every challenge to an anti-carry laws that I have ever read the conclusion from states that the 2nd amendment does not guarantee any civilian the right to brandish a firearm in public settings or guaratee the right to carry a concealed weapon. If you can find different let me know. I would love to read it. If it was different certain states would not be able to deny permits, limit purchases, etc...which we all know they do.

 

[Molon Labe]

Any right you enjoy in organized society is granted by your fellow man.

No man has the authority to grant me rights.

 

[ksnecktieman]

Playboy? Are you personally willing to be the judge of who can, and who can not carry in your town?

Could you sleep at night if you denied someone the right to carry concealed, and they were killed in a robbery, or car hijack?

Name the person or government department that you think should be in charge of "permission to carry" in your area?

IF we are going to regulate who can carry we would have to restrict anyone with "self destructive tendencies", right? That would include drug users? Alcoholics? Anyone that had multiple motorcycle accidents?

 

[Molon Labe]

I have guns, and I enjoy shooting them. But I'm not a gun hobbyist or enthusiast. For me, guns are a means, not an end.

 

[justashooter]

1.) Hello, I am new here and...

2.) I do not, however, believe that it is appropriate for any joe smoe to be able to walk around with a loaded and deadly weapon. ...

3.) I have fought for my country (8 yrs in ARMY/MI), I am a gulf war veteran, and have seen combat more than once...

4.) I still believe in some scrutiny when it comes to concealed hand guns

5.) ...leaning more towards the nutty side.

1.) you are welcome here. this is the most politically correct and culturally sensitive gunboard on the net. even to your political bent and social culture.

2.) meet joe. i do it all the time.

3.) this joe has been shooting for 30 years, and would match his skills with yours anyday. i have fired close to a half million rounds in many different types of small arms, and have owned approx 300 guns at one time or another. many of them have been millsurps, most of which i have rebuilt from scrap myself. some people think i know what i am talking about.
i have not killed anybody, yet. i try to obey the first rule of gunfighting (don't get into one). i was too young for vietnam, and too old for gulf 1. i'm still too old.

4.) concealed handgun carry is a right in pennsylvania under the state constitution, unless the applicant is disqualified (for the usual reasons). there are about 250K people in york county. there are about 25K permits here, on a "shall issue" basis. welcome to america.

5.) i agree with you on that, but not on much else.

 

[mbs357]

But alas, the pocket book and the wife (she insists that we buy groceries) prohibit mass and frequent acquisitions. However, I do very much apreciate fine work and I also am passionate about taking responsibility for my safety and that of my family. So I guess I'm an enthusiast and nut, but unfortunately not a collector.

...groceries?
ZOUNDS!
Crazy talk!
You should start whining, it's how I get my way!
^.^