Ever been "jack-lighted"?

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crashresidue

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Cheers,

Kinda funny now! I'm trying to quit smoking - well, both wife and I are.

Tonight - wife is already in bed, I'm playing - guess where - yea, here on THR. Only light on in the house is my computer, I step out to the car port and fire one up.

It's kinda chilly here on Maui tonight, so - I'm behind the freezer, out of the winds - and out of sight. I hear a car in the AO, but think nothing of it - my neighbors work some really strange hours.

Suddenly, my carport lights up like a nova. Lasts 10-15 seconds, then the next house's carport lights up. I look out, car in our driveway, no lights - except some kind of spotlight. They back out of the drive, I follow and they cruise the next street doing the same thing.

I call the "non-911" number and inform dispatch there is probably going to be a robbery in my area soon. Dispatcher is concerned if a crime has been already commited. I say "Not yet" and she says there isn't anything the police can do until I report a crime.

Sorry, I did bad - I told her that if the car returns and the occupants exit onto my property - there's probably going to be a shooting. Silence on the phone.

I come back in the house - I mean H*ll, this deserves at LEAST another cigarette - grab my 870, cycle it once, put in an inert round (home-made "snap-cap), grab the next smoke and ease back out into the car port.

Sure enough, about 15 minutes later - they're back!!!

Again - they light up my car port -I notice - no brake lights on the car. This time, as I hear car doors opening, I step out from behing the freezer, smoke dangeling from my mouth, cycle the 870 to insert the dud in the chamber and walk to toward the front.

Amazing, the healing qualities of that old 870 - suddenly, this vehicle has brake lights, back up lights, doors that SLAM closed, and she burns rubber exploding out of the driveway - does one of those "tv high speed reversing turns" and almost RUNS over - guess who? Brother John Law, just turning onto my street.

One squad, two squads, three squads - H*ll, we've now got a circus at the corner!!!

Both neighbors are out - both "semi dressed" - one didn't know I had firearms, my landloard did. He's a little distressed. - more at the "almost" than my weapon.

Squad #1 pulls into the drive - I pointedly shed the 870 - by the barrel and step back. Asked if it's "loaded" - duh - is this not the stupidest question you could be asked? "Yea, live rounds in the magazine, inert one in the chamber."

They've got the spotlight on us, so we can only see them as shadows - his voice is familiar. "You shoot at the range?" "Yea, and I know you!"

Kids!!!! Driver states "We were only gonna take some stuff - and HE pointed a GUN at us!!!"

They'll get their wrist slapped, somebody will loose the vehicle, and HOPEFULLY those kids get/got a lesson in "reality" - but probably NOT.

AND it's ONLY Friday night!!

Gentle winds,
cr
 
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I come back in the house - I mean H*ll, this deserves at LEAST another cigarette - grab my 870, cycle it once, put in an inert round (home-made "snap-cap), grab the next smoke and ease back out into the car port.

Why didn't you load your shotgun with real ammo? What if your threat of force was met with force?

Jeff
 
I hope the adrenaline has faded by now....

A couple of hints from my armchair keyboard:

1. Warning the operator that there will "probably be a shooting" could have been used against you in court if you actually *had* to shoot. It might have been safer to just state that you're armed and concerned for your safety and that of the neighbors.

2. I'm flabergasted at the use of the inert round -- you may have only had time to pull the trigger once to save your own life, and there would have been a dud round in the chamber.

Nice work otherwise. You stood up to danger when a coward would have run away.
 
Your family was safe, nothing was taken, nobody got hurt, and the perps got caught. Can't ask for a much better result than that.

That said, I too am curious about the inert round. I fully support the idea that if someone's going to own a firearm, they must keep it in a state of readiness that they're comfortable with - so it's a question rather than a criticism. What are the benefits to keeping a neutered round in the shotgun?
 
Sorry man, but I think that your use of a inert round was dumb. You could have lost your life and maybe your wife's because you took a non-functioning weapon to confront a car full of unknown people. They had you in the lights, you are at the disadvantage.

I would have used real rounds and wouldn't have stepped outside. I would have flipped the lights, yell at them that I was armed and that I have already called the police. Then I would have remained silent. The rest would be up to them.
 
As with others here, I do not understand the "logic" of loading an "inert" round. (????)

If something happens which justifies shooting, you should be ready to fire IMMEDIATELY.

Just my take on it.

L.W.
 
Under those circumstances, I'd take it as a very serious threat. The blinding light has the side effect of making it impossible for you to see what they're doing. Depending on circumstances you might have to assume they're trying to kill you. Best to be ready.

I agree that the inert round was pointless. If you might need to use deadly force, you don't want to be fussing with a dud.

"We were only gonna take some stuff - and HE pointed a GUN at us!!!"

That's sig worthy.
 
Yea, in "hind-sight" - the dud round wasn't too smart.

"But", and there's always a "but" - my car port is haunted - things move around there in the dark. Stuff I KNOW I put on a shelf is suddenly on the floor ready to trip me and in my mind's eye - I could just see me stepping out with a live round in the chamber and some "foot monster" grabbing me, falling, and BOOM. Windshield glass, paint chips, concrete chips, ceiling material, rattle cans - all flying!

I know the "no finger on the trigger" routine - but in the dark, tripping, I'm not going to guarantee where my fingers are gonna clench and where they're not.

So, if there is a next time, I'll have a live round in the chamber, remain conceled, and advise them that the "lights and music are on their way". And see if they want to stay for the rest of the party.:evil:

Thanks,
cr
 
I could just see me stepping out with a live round in the chamber and some "foot monster" grabbing me, falling, and BOOM.

Then it would be prudent to proceed hammer down on an empty chamber or with a live round chambered and the safety on.

IMHO, there are more things to go wrong with a dud in the chamber than with either of the other two options.

I'm with the others that think your statement to the operator was a bit imprudent. Could have been used to make you out as someone who was spoiling for a fight. Better to keep it simple: I'm worried and I'm armed or something to that effect.

On the other hand, I'm guessing you might have gotten 3 squads because they thought you were about to go nuts on your trespassers.
 
Hey, Crashresidue... that there Remington-built model 870 CLUB is REALLY piss poor as a club... one good swing and it'll likely bust at the "wrist"... If you really want a club, I'd recommend the "Louisville Slugger" or the "Maglite D-cell" lines of products...

IF, however, you are interested in carrying a SHOTGUN, then I would reccomend trading your 870 model "club" in on the MUCH more efficient (as a shotgun) Remington-built model 870 SHOTGUN! and guess what! When you load real, live shotgun shells into it, it does WONDERFUL things...
 
yeah

The remington 870 is pretty awesome. Nice work protecting your family. Don't blame you for the dud round so much. It's different then when your actually in that situation, then when you're at you're computer.
 
Hemicuda, the point's been made, no need to rub it in any further. However it should be noted regarding what you said:

If you really want a club, I'd recommend the "Louisville Slugger" or the "Maglite D-cell" lines of products...

The user's guide to the maglite states that using the product as an impact weapon voids the warranty.
 
The user's guide to the maglite states that using the product as an impact weapon voids the warranty.

Aw, shucks. :uhoh:

Guess I'd have to go to Wally World and get another one then.
 
I could just see me stepping out with a live round in the chamber and some "foot monster" grabbing me, falling, and BOOM.

I'm fairly certain the 870 comes with a safety......

Training training training.

This is exactly why I always recommend against shotguns for home/self defense.

Everyone assumes since they have hunted dove at one time or another they are good with a shotgun. It's not the same.

Good thing is you had a great learning experience before you REALLY needed to go into action. Hopefully you'll have a better plan next time.

In the end, happy ending and some dirty underwear for the goofballs :evil:
 
Always have a bayonet on your HD weapons... if you're going after 'em with an empty chamber, anyways. Silver-tipped, for anti-vampire/foot monster reactions.
"We were only gonna take some stuff - and HE pointed a GUN at us!"
Hillarious.
 
Actually, the inert round wasn't all that bad idea.... The idea is to end the conflict, and MOST BS burglars will run. And wasn't that the idea?

Rack the sucker, from an area of concealment/cover, see if they take off. If you gotta rack it again, well, that's time for the alternating buck and ball...
 
to the coniseur

there is a different sound from racking the action "empty" and the lil thunk of a round slamming home. and its quite remarkable how those who've heard that sound "in anger" can be quite sensitive to it. i had a bs'ing dimwit call me up once blustering and ranting and as part of his charade he racked the slide next to phone to impress me. no thunk no 911 call spoiled all his drama
 
Good outcome. Questionable tactics. Telling a police dispatcher ahead of time that there could be a shooting is not the best thing to say. A more appropriate phrase may be " I possess the means to defend myself and if forced to will do so". If you are gonna show up to a gunfight with an dud in the chamber don't go. If you are justified in taking the shotgun you are justified in having it loaded with live ammo. Otherwise leave it behind. No
one should ever get shot for not having live rounds in the chamber. Otherwise good call on realizing that these miscreants were casing the neighborhood.

Oh, and as for Maui "being a little chilly".....funny. It's all a matter of perspective.
 
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