Expansion Industries Primer Plant

To be a explosives manufacturer you MUST be registered and that's way different than ammo manufacturing or distribution .

Funny Can't seem to find anything after March 2022 about their operation or intentions . An Educated guess tells ME ,that they seem to be Property Brokers and enticing like minded businesses into the Industrial park . See what Yall think ?.

https://www.expansionsolutionsmagaz...r-announces-company-expanding-on-east-campus/


LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE


TITLE 7. REGULATION OF LAND USE, STRUCTURES, BUSINESSES, AND RELATED ACTIVITIES


SUBTITLE B. COUNTY REGULATORY AUTHORITY


CHAPTER 235. COUNTY REGULATION OF MATTERS RELATING TO EXPLOSIVES AND WEAPONS



SUBCHAPTER A. EXPLOSIVES

Sec. 235.001.
Sec. 235.002. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:

(1) "Blaster" means a person who:

(A) detonates or otherwise effects the explosion of an explosive and is employed by a user; or

(B) personally supervises another engaged in that activity.

(2) "Blasting agent" means a material or mixture consisting of fuel and oxidizer, intended for blasting that, as mixed for use or shipment, cannot be detonated by means of a number 8 test blasting cap when unconfined.

(3) "Dealer" means a person who:

(A) buys or sells explosives, black powder, or smokeless powder; or

(B) is licensed as a dealer of destructive devices, as that term is defined by the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. Sec. 5801 et seq.).

(4) "Explosive" means a chemical compound mixture or a device, the primary purpose of which is to function by explosion and includes dynamite, high explosives, more than 50 pounds of black powder or smokeless powder, or any amount of pellet powder, initiating explosives, detonators, safety fuses, blasting agents, squibs, detonating cord, igniter cord, and igniters.

(5) "Magazine" means any approved storage facility, classified under 18 U.S.C. Sec. 841 et seq., certified as adequate by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms of the United States Department of Treasury, and passed with a current inspection certificate.

(6) "Manufacturer-distributor" means a person who manufactures, compounds, combines, produces, or distributes an explosive.

(7) "Transfer" means to transfer an explosive actually or constructively from one person to another.

(8) "User" means a person who, as the final consumer, uses an explosive.
 
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tightgroup tiger said:
Are they repackaging another brand and selling it as their own brand that is made in Texas? It's funny their not listed on the companies web site.
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IF they are in deed manufacturing primers ,it's the best kept secret since Obama's Scholastic records . Have NO Idea as what that company is up too ?. I do know some folks in TX. and Oklahoma ,I'll see how far away they are and what the JOB hiring has been like . That usually tells just about everything . Supposedly #400 by December 2022 ,we'll wait and see IF I can't get an actual eyewitness accounting before then .
 
Charlie98 said:
Building out a new facility, bringing in the machinery to manufacture something like primers, and hiring and training people to work... it ain't gonna be next year, and that's without the suspicion of something fishy going on. I would estimate 3 years at the earliest.
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They bought an existing facility. The machines were there. All that was "reportedly" needed was employees to operate the machines.

The "plan" was to hire and train, be in production by April and 100% capacity by June 1.


Something definitely went sideways. I know not what.
 
A little over a year ago, Sig Sauer announced and expansion of their Arkansas ammo plant, which according to reports at the time, also included the ability to make their own primers. Guess they got tired of waiting on Vista too. Reports then said it would be up and running by end of year (end of 2021). Can't find any news on that either.

If you go to youtube, you can find dozens of videos on how to reload used primers. So you need the cup, the ignition material and and an anvil. The guys doing this source the last two and reuse the spent primer cups. So to duplicate that process, a guy would need a press to form the cups, mixer to make the compounds and some equipment to assemble and package the final product. As manufacturing equipment goes, it just doesn't look that complicated or expensive to setup. Certainly nothing that would run 100 Million. The parking lot alone at Midway's new distribution facility probably cost more than a small primer plant would.......and there are literally thousands and thousands of empty light industrial buildings sitting around that could be used to house the equipment.

Something seems out of whack.
 
When the news broke a few months ago, I did a bit of research. It seems that plant was designated 'surplus' and abandoned by the government. That tells me the equipment is worn out. It's also sat idle for quite a while, so anything that worked has been removed, such as forklifts or other equipment that isn't specifically related to making ammunition. Frankly, if I was starting a new business, buying another company's worn out equipment is not the first thing I would do.

I have wondered about the $100 million figure, and I still think that is what the US Government invested originally.
 
I did more research on it when it was first announced than I’m willing to do again, but as I recall, the owner later said he was “misquoted” about having already invested $100 million, but instead that’s what they were planning to invest. I don’t recall him saying whose $100 million he was going to spend.
 
higgite said:
I did more research on it when it was first announced than I’m willing to do again, but as I recall, the owner later said he was “misquoted” about having already invested $100 million, but instead that’s what they were planning to invest. I don’t recall him saying whose $100 million he was going to spend.
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That’s the way I feel too (won’t spend even more time re-researching—how in the heck did I even find the VA fraud investigation?) and then…there I go again:)
 
One thing WE ALL must be aware of ; Good intentions go awry when BIGGER Monies controls material and market distribution ,Now the question is WHO is really behind Vista's Outdoor capital ?.

I have contacts in Texarkana ,which are looking into the plant as well as the corporate offices in ; 2410 LUNA RD STE 130
CARROLLTON, Texas, 75006
United States

This ISN'T good so take it for what it is :
Federal Firearms License Search Results :
  • License Expiration Date
  • 05/01/2020

You Entered FFL Number: 5-75-XXX-XX-XX-13145

If you are certain you entered the correct license number, there is a strong possibility that the FFL you are attempting to verify is invalid and/or this may be an attempt at a fraudulent transaction.

You should not complete the transaction without first contacting ATF at 1-877-560-2435 for assistance.

If you only have general questions concerning this web site, or the information displayed above, please contact ATF using the Problem Report link provided at the end of this page.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Yes. But that doesn’t mean they will be any less expensive. Buy what you need when you need it and if you can afford it. If you can’t afford shooting, take up a cheaper hobby - like golf or boating.
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boating is a crazy expensive hobby!

my sister hit a sandbar in her 27’ Key West. $5,000 bucks
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
The good news: new primer plants are being built!
The bad news: they’re being built in China.
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The Glockodile said:
Posted from my iPad marked "Made in China." :rofl:
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Ah but we import everything EXCEPT guns, ammunition/primers from them.

The following items are prohibited from entering China: arms, ammunition, and explosives of all kinds;…
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https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/china-prohibited-and-restricted-imports

Items made with slave labor is fine, as long as it’s something the .gov wants to outsource vs get rid of altogether.

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jmorris said:
Ah but we import everything EXCEPT guns, ammunition/primers from them.
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I do miss the days of cheap Norincos.

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This image is AWESOME! :rofl:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-factory-churns-british-flags-081443282.html

Along the same vein of what happened up there...
 
jmorris said:
Ah but we import everything EXCEPT guns, ammunition/primers from them.



https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/china-prohibited-and-restricted-imports

Items made with slave labor is fine, as long as it’s something the .gov wants to outsource vs get rid of altogether.

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Much of what is labeled made in Canada isn’t, it’s China. Including food products. (Only 51% of product must be Canadian)
MoscowMike said:
Glad to hear that. Without that sort of research this is just speculation fueled by frustration.
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jmorris said:
Ah but we import everything EXCEPT guns, ammunition/primers from them.



https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/china-prohibited-and-restricted-imports

Items made with slave labor is fine, as long as it’s something the .gov wants to outsource vs get rid of altogether.

View attachment 1103973
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That’s funny, but being skeptical by nature I think it’s also a hoax.

When anything too strongly supports well established biases (Jusse Smollet, etc) I just don’t believe them.
 
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BushMaster-15 said:
One thing WE ALL must be aware of ; Good intentions go awry when BIGGER Monies controls material and market distribution ,Now the question is WHO is really behind Vista's Outdoor capital ?.

I have contacts in Texarkana ,which are looking into the plant as well as the corporate offices in ; 2410 LUNA RD STE 130
CARROLLTON, Texas, 75006
United States

This ISN'T good so take it for what it is :
Federal Firearms License Search Results :
  • License Expiration Date
  • 05/01/2020
You Entered FFL Number: 5-75-XXX-XX-XX-13145

If you are certain you entered the correct license number, there is a strong possibility that the FFL you are attempting to verify is invalid and/or this may be an attempt at a fraudulent transaction.

You should not complete the transaction without first contacting ATF at 1-877-560-2435 for assistance.

If you only have general questions concerning this web site, or the information displayed above, please contact ATF using the Problem Report link provided at the end of this page.
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You’re saying vista is involved here? I don’t believe that either, sorry.

I have no contacts anywhere so I look forward to a readout on your’s findings.
 
Seedy Character said:
They bought an existing facility. The machines were there. All that was "reportedly" needed was employees to operate the machines.

The "plan" was to hire and train, be in production by April and 100% capacity by June 1.


Something definitely went sideways. I know not what.
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Who owned the existing facility and when did they make primers?
 
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