First Accidental Discharge, feeling pretty bad

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Well, here's a twist for you, recently a guy I handed my gun to had one with it. The trigger pull is only 2 lbs so when he cocked it pointing at the ground and then put his finger on the trigger to raise and take aim, off it went. Popped one right into the ground. Neither of us even batted an eye because he had maintained safe muzzle direction so it was really a non issue as far as I was concerned BUT I learned to always tell people about the trigger before I hand any gun to them. I vote for the take the wife to dinner idea. :D
 
The trigger pull is only 2 lbs so when he cocked it pointing at the ground and then put his finger on the trigger to raise and take aim, off it went.
He violated Rule #3, but Rule #2 saved his butt. Works for me.
 
As long as rule No. 2 was observed, I see no biggie either. You remembered to have the gun pointed in a safe direction...you did right.

Its when a gun is not pointed in a safe direction, one should be hung by his nads. :D

Go in peace, and sin no more. Your penance is five hail S&W.

Jim
 
Hankdatank --- I feel your pain!

A few months ago I was out with my fiancee. We got home, I went to The Safe, and took out my XD-9. I try not to store anything with a spring under compression, sooooo --- seeing that the striker indicator was out, I went to "clear" it. Ahem.

My normal routine with things going IN to the safe and OUT of the safe is the same: check for no mag, point in safe direction, cycle action, visually verify no round present, lower hammer/release striker/de-cock. I've been doing this for a long time. Everything gets checked going in and coming out.

Except for that time.

Put a niner through the floor. (Private home, full cement basement. JHP must have gone vertically down into a stud --- it vanished into the carpet.)

WHERE was my brain that night? Well, since I KNEW that the thing wasn't chambered, the rest of the process leaked out of my head. Oh, yeah --- Rule Number One.

BELIEVE ME --- no matter what you know or what anyone tells you, even if you've just disassembled the thing down to the pins --- it is ALWAYS loaded. Thank the heavens for the rest of the Rules. No one hurt, nothing visibly damaged.

Thirty years of safe handling. And, in a zillionth of a second, that "perfect" record --- pfffft!

On the plus side --- I think I'm sharper now than ever. But it took weeks before I could watch myself shaving again.

Unbelievably, my Incredibly Wonderful Lady came in, asked what happened --- and then crawled around on the floor until she found the case! We talked about the whole thing for days. She said I looked like I'd been convicted of something. And I had. I can think of things that could have made me feel worse --- like slipping up on those Other Rules. Her trust in me hasn't changed. Incredible.

I keep that case on my dresser. I am never going to forget it --- but I've stopped obsessing over it. It just pops into my head every time I handle a firearm --- which is a good thing, I trhink.

I talked with the guys at the range about it. After some yakking, turns out it's fairly hard to find anyone who hasn't done something --- let's call it "vacuum-headed" --- at some time. One guy shot his car once, someone else holed the roof. (That's form two ex-cops, BTW.) And this post might get a lot of "Me? Never's," and that's a good thing.

Deb's OK, your wife's OK, you're OK, I'm OK.

I'd like to think that we're safer now than a lot of folks who've never had the "joy" of getting a warning instead of a ticket ...

PS
Read a story online about a guy who was an instructor, was showing his girlfriend safety procedure, could have SWORN he'd loaded Snap Caps --- then put one through the back wall and into the woods. If you look, you can find the story. It was an individual web upload, not a post. It was a confession. He has a profound appreciation for the "Safe Direction" part, too.
 
"So my intention was just to pull the trigger enough to make the hammer move a little and see if there was any trigger creep or anyhting.

Whats next, looking down the barrel so you can see if the cylinder lines up just before the hammer drops? Seriously, that is something "The Three Stooges" would do, this shouldn't be glossed over with a "no ones hurt so no harm no foul" attitude, the other members not the thread starter. Any of you guys want a neighbor that has accidents with a loaded gun?? I sure as hell don't, no excuses, no margin for error, these are weapons, not popguns.
 
It all boils down to this:
You screwed up big. Not HUGE, but big.
You know you screwed up big.
Everyone here knows you screwed up big.
You were very lucky. Appreciate that.
Learn from your mistake and don't make it again.
Nuff said.

Note to self... if you ever meet hankdatank1362 and he invites you outside for a smoke, politely decline. :D
 
As noted ..

Was it loud?

Another item that results in the same Bang is grabbing a mag to operations-check a gun you just cleaned/reassembled/whatever, but using a loaded mag by mistake.

I keep loaded mags far, far away from any gun I'm cleaning.
 
it can happen to any of us

That statement is just a way of excusing bad choices when handling firearms.

People who make a conscience effort to ignore the safety rules when handling firearms, will have an AD at some time.

Those of us who don't, will never have one unless it relates to a mechanical failure of the firearm its self.

Please don't include me in your reasoning.
 
I really appreciate anyone who is willing to share their stories about accidental/negligent discharges.
I know it takes a big person to admit when they have messed up and then to pass it along in order to remind others to not make the same mistakes.
Thus far, I have never had anything like that happen to me. When I read about how easily and quickly it can happen to others I know that I am far from exempt.:D
Thanks again for sharing. Hopefully these type stories will make all of us more contentious.:)
 
Brain fart.... Been there, done that.

Back in the early 1970's I had been shooting my SNS Galesi in the back yard and "thought" it was empty.

I walked away with the pistol pointing down by my side and pulled the trigger, "just because" and bored a nice little 25cal. hole in the ground very close to my left little toe...

You just know that would have been painful... Both to my pinkie toe AND my pride..

I try and be smarter now.

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IMO if the Good Lord lets'ya get away with one such act of stupidity you should endeavour not to repeat it. :D


Best Wishes from one who's done it too....

J. Pomeroy
 
Big difference to me is, if you have a discharge through a handling misshap its bad but a true accident. You cannot compare that to pulling a trigger on a loaded gun to see how the trigger feels, thats irresponsible and no slack should be given. I am 100% with "feedthehogs" please don't include me in the group of "when not if." If you play around with firearms of any kind then its a "when" situation, treat them as the deadly weapons they are and it doesn't happen save for mechanical failures. That includes doing trigger work to lighten a trigger, or speed drawing with a loaded weapon, no accident then, you've removed the safety factor.
 
Eye of the Beholder

Hey Folks, cut the guy some slack.

"To Err is Human" and all that stuff..

The leo idiot "thought" he was just as "professional" as apparently a couple of you posters do and still he managed to shoot himself in the thigh with his 40cal. Glock in front of a classroom of impressionable children.

People do stupid things sometimes.. With firearms, axes, hammers, pizza's.. You name it, someone has hurt themselves, or others with it..

That's why the word ACCIDENT was invented...

I'll betcha that particular mistake won't be repeated, so it was an accident, hopefully a lesson learned, and let it go at that.

If you THINK you are too "professional", or "train too well" to have an accident or make a mistake you either never heard of "Murphy's Law", or have never driven a motorcycle.

I'm not trying to start a war here, but as long as we are humans, poop happens...

If the originator of the thread comes back next week and says "It happened AGAIN" that's different.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy
 
Well then, would you say there is a difference between an accident and a "stupid, needless, careless, no-need-to -have-happened accident?" As in this case. :banghead:
 
My wife is actually real understanding about all this. I thought this would buy me a one way ticket to no-gunsville, and I even felt like I deserved it. But she's being real supportive. Which is very nice.
She's glad you're alive.
 
pythonguy:

What I would say is that you and I have a difference of opinion on this issue. I'm way too old to play the pissing contest with you, so I'm sure you'll excuse me if I don't play any more.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy
 
The most important thing to remember if you handle guns, handguns...always have it pointed in a safe direction. Never sweep anyones area, or carelessly point it at a living being unless you plan to shoot.

There is no excuse to carelessly point a firearm in someone's direction, be it a person or a dewelling...or, inside your own home. The walls are too thin.

Its also a good idea to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

How much trouble is it to open the cylinder, or rack the slide to see if the firearm is empty of loaded rounds. Pulling the trigger to see if its loaded is pretty lame excuse.

Be safe, be sure.

Jim
 
hankdatank1362,

Please DO NOT answer the following question on the forum, just answer it to yourself:

Was alcohol involved?

The reason for the question, and the reasoning behind not answering publicly should be obvious.:)
 
Hey Folks, cut the guy some slack.

Not in a million years.

What he did was a stupid, idiotic thing to do. Why should I cut him slack? After the billions and billions of times firearms safety is posted here, and someone does something this silly, why do you feel they deserve slack?

It's not an accident. Your 4 year old daughter spilling her milk at the dinner table is an accident, being lacksidasical with a lethal weapon, is not.

Nobody will ever get slack from me because they became careless, lazy, and irresponcible with a weapon. They don't deserve it.
 
The Value Of Mistakes

Redemption. Without it mankind fails.

The human is a learning being. He learns from his own mistakes and those of others.

I've had car accidents. Even caused a couple. I learned from them. I didn't kill or cripple anyone, although one of those accidents surely could have done so. I've attended a fatal auto accident, though it's not clear whether the survivor actually learned from it. The driver certainly didn't. But I did.

I've had knife accidents. Never lost any fingers or toes, although one was close.

I've burned myself on stoves and other appliances and an engine or two. No permanent scarring. Lots of respect for hot metal, though.

I've done some stupid stuff that should have cost me an eye. I've still got both of them.

I've done some things that have killed others. Like rock climbing after dark in an unfamiliar canyon. Either God loves me, or I'm one of the luckier S.O.B.s alive.

I've watched others make spectacular mistakes. I've learned from those, and occasionally so have they.

I have learned that it is foolish to declare that it's just not possible that one will ever make such-and-such a mistake.

Most of my mistakes have been fairly low-cost: no injuries (or minor ones), and occasional property damage.

What I've learned from this rather checkered history of mistakes -- both mine and others -- has literally kept me alive due to Condition Yellow responsiveness.

My wife, on the other hand, has never had an traffic accident or a ticket. She insists I do the driving on long trips and in any iffy situations. Why? I asked her. She says I'm more alert to danger and impending accidents than she is, and I keep my cool under stress. I got that way by living through more mistakes.

I have my rituals regarding cars and trucks, and these rituals have kept me from needing to change tires in the rain, have tow trucks retrieve me from strange places, or paying outrageous repair fees in remote towns. They've also kept me from being stranded in hostile/uninhabited terrain. And driving over the neighbor's kids. And so on.

So far, all my firearms mistakes have been supervised and attended by further instruction. No loud bangs. No damage. Just learning experiences. I've adopted a ritual similar to those used by many of you. Once I learned the Four Commandments, I modified my rituals accordingly.

I've had more than my share of redemption.

Guilt doesn't make you more competent. Neither does chronic worry. Guilt and worry can, however, distract you enough to make MORE mistakes.

Learn the lesson offered by the event. Park the guilt and worry.

Help others learn, so that the benefit is shared.

Know that you can do it right in the future.

You'll find your redemption.
 
The human is a learning being

Your right.
A human should learn ahead of time how to do things the correct way and realize that when you choose to ignore what you know to be true, you will have consequences.

Stumbling thru life only learning from mistakes is a miserable way to live and wearing your accidents as a badge of honor gets you first place in the Darwin awards.

I employee 12 people.
A so called accident only happens when those twelve choose to ignore the rules or common sense such as:

1. Running into the building with a forklift cause you chose to operate it without a spotter.
2. Ripped your hand to shreds cause you chose to drill something in the press while holding it in your hand instead of a vise.
3. Set your clothes on fire cause you spilled acetone then chose to lite a cigarette.
4. Dropped a $425,000.00 boat from 5 stories up cause you chose to operate the forklift you were not checked out on because you wanted to help.

I could go on for hours but the point is that everytime someone chose to ignore the rules, thats when the "accident" excuse was used.

Handling firearms is serious business. If you can't follow the rules, give your guns away before someone gets killed.
 
I had one once. 5 years ago maybe. At the range.

I had been firing my varmint AR, had a 10 round magazine in the rifle. Something messed up, I forget what, so I stopped shooting, did not clear the rifle, and started fiddling around with whatever it was. My finger on my left hand found the trigger while I was holding onto the rifle and fiddling with it with my right hand.

The rifle was always facing down range on the bipod, but I felt extraordinarily stupid for quite a while after that.
 
If you can't follow the rules . . .

Lest my position be misinterpreted . . .

I do not advocate carelessness.
I do not advocate clumsiness.
I do not advocate irresponsibility.

I have good, if not excellent, reflexes; have better than average powers of observation; have a well-developed sense of self preservation; have a decent IQ; have better than average reasoning powers; have lived long enough to grip life's realities reasonably well.

And I am STILL NOT IMMUNE from mistakes or accidents.

I understand that some people equate ACCIDENT = IRRESPONSIBLE.
I understand that some people equate MISTAKE = STUPID.

I work with some people like that. When you catch them in a mistake (these are engineers) they snap into denial -- sometimes belligerently. They cannot deal with "fault" gracefully. And they certainly can't just allow someone to learn from a mistake: they gotta turn it into a grudge, constantly inflicting it on the guy.

In my line of work, a mistake can cost the company a six-figure or seven-figure sum. They still happen. Firing first offenders has been tried. It's more expensive than ensuring that the transgressor LEARNS from it and banks the wisdom. We've got guys who have made million-dollar errors. Keeping them has allowed them to make million-dollar advances in our technolgies. On balance, the older, wiser, battle-scarred veterans have more value, and are able to gently guide the noobs through the shoals. I've been the noob. Now I'm one of the old guys. My boss led me gently through two years of sand bars and corral reefs. My errors have been less costly because I've been allowed to learn from some of his blunders.

We have procedures that confine most of the mistakes to a sort of isolated "sandbox" -- kind of like doing surgery on cadavers rather than live patients -- so that, like surgeons, by the time it really counts, all the uncertainty and doubt has been removed.

For some specialized things, we even do extensive, repetitious dummy runs. And we do it until we can do it right repeatedly. This "drill until flawless" routine has rescued our butts more than once.

"Stuff" still happens. "Stuff" happens to surgeons, too.

Guilt NEVER helps. Neither do worry & anxiety.

If you CAN'T learn from it, you're done. If you CAN'T move on, taking the wisdom with you, you're done.

We expect you to learn. We expect you to bank the wisdom.

And we expect that, in the future, you'll do it right.
 
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