FN Five Seven . . . Why did I do it?

[Lakedaemonian]

0 Member Join Date: July 22, 2011 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3 So 13 out of 42 were killed? How many do you think would have died if he was using a 9mm? In combat most people who get shot do not die. Many people survive after being shot with 45s and even .50 bmg sometimes. 30% kill ratio is actually pretty good.

On that 50 BMG part..... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Maybe if they get shot in the finger.

 

[Father_of_10]

I didn't say where they were shot, but people have survived fifty caliber Wounds.

 

[Orion8472]

OMG. . . the same song and dance every freakin time a Five Seven thread comes up. :banghead: If you don't like them, don't buy one. If you like them, as with ANY gun, shot placement is key. You'll have no problems with any threat that comes.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

SS-197 from a FiveseveN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U40ArShS6M
SS-195 from a FiveseveN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpnnh-0YEbk
.22 LR CCI Velocitor from a rifle which basically equals .22 WMR from a pistol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEDo_PbAvJc

 

[J_McLeod]

To say they don't serve a real purpose would be disingenuous. It has it place in the armaments of today, and it's just a deadly as any other weapon. Just ask Maj. Hasan

The soldiers at Ft. Hood are lucky he wasn't smart enough to get a 40 (or similar caliber) and some hollow points.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

on that 50 bmg part..... Are you kidding me?! Maybe if they get shot in the finger.

lol

 

[m2steven]

I bought a 22 magnum ruger with 5.5 inch barrel and shot about 4 boxes of CCI ammo through it. It was pretty stout for a 22. I had my 5.7x28 pistol in my bag and miracle of miracles - i found 50 rounds in a pouch I hadn't opened in 2 years.

Well, I loaded it up and fired all 50 rounds in short order. I was shocked at what I'd been missing. This pistol is a HOSS!!. It shoots so much faster than that 22 magnum revolver it's stunning. It seems to hit about twice as hard. It's incredibly accurate. It could just as well been a rifle. Let me tell you, those of you who have not shot a 5.7 - it's one hell of a firearm. I kind of figured that all the 45 acp and 45 long colt and 357 magnum and 357 sig i'd been shooting would have made the 5.7x28 seem a bit tame. I was so surprised by the performance of the gun that I bought 10 boxes of ammo to shoot (which should arrive this week).

And need I stress how reliable this thing is and what a nice trigger it has?? Great sights. Light. One warning however - if you get excited by the speed, flame, and fury of the round - you'll cut the hell out of your hands loading the magazines. Those bullet points are sharp as tacks, and the magazine itself is sharp enough to have left a 1 inch gash on my thumb.

But never mind the blood. This is a FANTASTIC pistol. It's a high power rifle - only shorter.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

they don't serve any real purpose (aside from an overly expensive range queen) as far as I'm concerned

this sums it up. end of thread.

 

[DmL5]

Because you didn't notice the Kel-Tec PMR-30 holds ten more rounds, costs half as much to shoot, and produces similar ballistics with less muzzle blast?

The Five-seveN also holds 30 rounds with a 1.5-inch magazine extension.

As for the .22 WMR's ammo cost, you get what you pay for; in a pistol-to-pistol comparison, with 40-grain bullets, the 5.7x28mm EA loads achieve a muzzle velocity roughly 700 ft/s faster than the .22 Magnum.

When 30-grain bullets are compared pistol-to-pistol, the 5.7x28mm EA loads achieve a muzzle velocity roughly 1000 ft/s faster than the .22 Magnum.

http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-PMR30-2.htm
http://www.gunblast.com/FN-FiveseveN.htm

He shot 42 and 29 lived. Nearly 70% of the people he shot did not die. Doesn't sound very deadly to me

According to news reports, most of those 29 were shot in non-vital areas, and were receiving medical attention before the shooting even ended.

The soldiers at Ft. Hood are lucky he wasn't smart enough to get a 40 (or similar caliber) and some hollow points.

Wrong.

They are lucky they were shot in non-vital areas and received immediate medical attention. With identical shot placement, a .40 S&W pistol would have produced identical results. Countless real world examples have illustrated that wounds from pistol bullets are almost always survived. See, for example:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-06/...ng-multiple-shell-casings-student?_s=PM:CRIME

Two men opened fire on a crowd (party) near Ohio's Youngstown State University; they used .40 and .45-caliber pistols. Of 12 students shot, 11 survived; in other words, about 8% of the shooting victims died. The only student that died was, of course, shot in the head.

In conclusion, your speculation does not match up with reality.

 

[tahunua001]

The 5.7mm is a specialty round, but if you need holes punched in body armor at intermediate range with little recoil, it's pretty good at it.

the only problem with this is that the only 5.7 ammo that does poke through armor is only available to law enforcement agencies so it's no better to the rest of us than 9mm. in addition it's poor form to cite mass murders as proof of a weapons lethality, but if you really want to go that route one of the guns used at virginia tech was a 22LR pistol and that is still the most deadly mass shootings in history and he had a much higher K2D ratio. I personally prefer stopping power to penetration anyway, I'll take my XDM45 over a FiveSeveN any day of the week. that said there's nothing wrong with buying a fiveseven for a range gun or self defense. you can shoot a burglar with a bb gun and he'd probably forget about stealing your stuff pretty quick and 20+1 can go a long way lol

 

[Fishbed77]

this is why I don't buy new fancy stuff. I'm actually on the fence about an AR for this same reason.

Wow! The AR-15 has been around for 53 years, and that's still too fancy and new for you!

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

you can shoot a burglar with a bb gun and he'd probably forget about stealing your stuff pretty quick

If his intent were to just steal than I would agree, he wouldn't want to get in a full on fist fight. Someone that has the intent to kill you would probably realize that it was BB.

 

[DmL5]

the only problem with this is that the only 5.7 ammo that does poke through armor is only available to law enforcement agencies

Wrong.

FN's SS192/SS195 is capable of penetrating a Level II vest. Furthermore, Elite Ammunition's 5.7x28mm ammo types are capable of penetrating any type of soft armor, and they're offered to civilians.

if you really want to go that route one of the guns used at virginia tech was a 22LR pistol and that is still the most deadly mass shootings in history and he had a much higher K2D ratio.

The .22 LR was only carried in the Virginia Tech shooting. The killer shot the victims with a Glock 19, which was loaded with 9mm hollowpoints. The "much higher K2D ratio" is due to the fact that 31 of the 33 people killed at Virginia Tech were shot in the head.

 

[JShirley]

It's a high power rifle - only shorter.

No. By definition, even the more powerful .223/5.56x45mm is an intermediate (carbine) round, not a "high power rifle". But I appreciate your valid points otherwise.

one of the guns used at virginia tech was a 22LR pistol and that is still the most deadly mass shootings in history

If you meant to say "one of" the most deadly mass shootings, you would be correct. This wacko in Norway killed twice as many with gunfire.

 

[DoomGoober]

Shoot the FN Five Seven really fast and grin like an idiot. Then calculate how much the ammo you just blasted down range cost you and stop grinning.

The FN Five Seven is an awesomely fun weapon to shoot (as is the P90) it's just a little expensive in the fun per round department.

Plus the pointy bullets are kind of tricky to load without spearing yourself. =)

 

[Walkalong]

Why did I do it?

You caught the fever. It happens to all of us sometimes. We get the hots for something and can't live until we get one.

 

[Pete D.]

HP

By definition, even the more powerful .223/5.56x45mm is an intermediate (carbine) round, not a "high power rifle". But I appreciate your valid points otherwise.

Tell that to the fellows shooting NRA High Power matches with the .223.

Rifles to be used in High Power Rifle competition must be equipped with metallic sights..................................... Tournament programs often group competitions into two divisions, Service Rifle and Match Rifle. The rifles currently defined as "Service Rifles" include the M1, M14, M16

calculate how much the ammo you just blasted down range cost you and stop grinning.

Pretty much true of any centerfire cartridge, especially when the shooter blasts away without aiming . Ever been at a range when a fellow is blasting away with SG slugs?

Pete

 

[MachIVshooter]

By definition, even the more powerful .223/5.56x45mm is an intermediate (carbine) round, not a "high power rifle". But I appreciate your valid points otherwise.

Tell that to the fellows shooting NRA High Power matches with the .223.

That doesn't mean that the cartridge is considered high powered. JShirly is correct, the 5.56 NATO, like it's eastern counterpart 7.62x39mm, is an intermediate round, from concept to design and through execution.

Back to the point, though, I can see the attraction to the Five-seveN; It's the same on I had to the PMR-30. Why, then, do I not own a Five-seveN? Because I'm not willing to pay $1,000 for a plinking handgun and $0.30/round for it's ammo. The PMR was $329, and .22 mag is expensive enough at $0.11/shot.

I like my PMR, but as with the Five-seveN, for defensive use, the holes made are just too dang small. The only upside to these guns in a defensive situation is capacity to weight ratio. However, they're both large, and size is an even bigger issue than weight for many of us. I'd rather carry my Witness compact 10mm with 12 rounds pushing 180's at 1,340 FPS than either of these popguns when the chips are down; The bullets start out larger than .22 mag or 5.7x28 expand to, and hit with one helluva lot more authority.

 

[dcarch]

Because nobody told you about the 10mm.
Actually, I wouldn't mind trying a 5.7 some time.
Hope you enjoy your gun!

 

[Orion8472]

Back to the point, though, I can see the attraction to the Five-seveN; It's the same on I had to the PMR-30. Why, then, do I not own a Five-seveN? Because I'm not willing to pay $1,000 for a plinking handgun and $0.30/round for it's ammo. The PMR was $329, and .22 mag is expensive enough at $0.11/shot.

I like my PMR, but as with the Five-seveN, for defensive use, the holes made are just too dang small. The only upside to these guns in a defensive situation is capacity to weight ratio. However, they're both large, and size is an even bigger issue than weight for many of us. I'd rather carry my Witness compact 10mm with 12 rounds pushing 180's at 1,340 FPS than either of these popguns when the chips are down; The bullets start out larger than .22 mag or 5.7x28 expand to, and hit with one helluva lot more authority.

Then don't buy a Five Seven if you're just wanting a "plinker". That isn't the role of this gun, nor the ammo. If you don't want to carry a large frame gun, choose something smaller.

I don't mean to offend you, but it is ridiculous to say that "you'd rather carry 12 rounds of 10mm rather than the 5.7X28 because the 10mm has more power". That is completely beside the point. Of COURSE it doesn't have the power of a 10mm. Few handgun rounds do. So what!

For the general thread, . . . if no one ever died from being hit with a 5.7X28 then there would be a case against the round. People have [unfortunately]. That is the only issue at hand. Shot placement!! My issue is that these threads always turn into a Five Seven bash and I get tired of all the mis-information. Choose your gun. Let others choose there's. If you don't do your part, even powerful handguns will be ineffective and dangerous to those who may be behind the target.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I see that no one watched the videos I posted. If you compare it to 9mm, you'll see the wounding is about the same with the 5.7 x 28.

9mm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexyDDA3TBU

 

[Get R Done Guns]

Oh lord, you got DML5 started again!! You guys are in trouble!! He is the 5.7 biggest fan!!

People that don't like the 5.7 merely don't want to pay to shoot it typically. That's fine but does by no means put the PMR 30 even close from a pistol.

 

[TG13]

i like the idea of the 5.7.. i'd have one, but the costs involved are just too high, IMO..

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Ammo costs about the same as .45 ACP, why are you guys constantly bringing up ammo costs? It ain't no .22LR.

 

[TG13]

the fact is, it is expensive.. the pistol is expensive.. the mags are expensive.. and the rounds are expensive.. for me.. for others, it might not be as expensive.. it's all relative.. ramens vs steak..