Friend or foe?

[Warren]

I would like to point out that I am not suggesting people go a hero'in or jump into fights that ain't theirs.

By decide to engage I really meant "had no choice" and that another CCW saw it the same way.

 

[Jeff White]

Ken,
I think the NTI scenario is similar to the one in this thread, but not identical. Here the question is what do you do if you've already decided to engage and see a second armed subject. I think the NTI scenario you described deals with the decision to engage.

Roadwild,
It is nearly impossible to train for the situation as originally described, where you've already decided to engage. It's a no win situation. If you don't shoot subject number 1 then he most likely will cause you great bodily harm or kill you, and if you do shoot subject number one and subject number two is a CCW holder attempting to intervene, then he's probably going to shoot you as soon as you shoot subject number one. In the situation as described, where a second armed subject shows up just as you're pressing the trigger on subject number one the only solution that gives you much of chance is to engage both of them. Because there is no way you could know what the second subject is up to in that split second.

Jeff

 

[meef]

Roadwild17:

Sure, I agree with Jeff butt

Hey! Don't call him Jeff butt!

 

[wheelgunslinger]

I have to say, this thread is really thought provoking. I've found a serious hole in my own training just pondering how to handle this sort of thing.

 

[jeepmor]

tough one

I read something like this from an ex-detective who offered excellent advice, much as Jeff did. Don't play hero, don't get involved, mind your own business.

He even stated a case where he watched a raid go down and saw some guy escape the raid. He pursued the guy and "combed" his hair with his colt during pursuit. He drug the guy back to the scene and was informed by the officers this cat was "let go" because he was the informant. Having the guise of escape allowed the informant to still be a useful asset without blowing his cover as an actual snitch.

 

[sacp81170a]

This type of scenario is another reason why it's unwise to pursue a BG once he decides to disengage. One scenario we offer to CCW students to think about is this:

You see a man chasing another down the street with a gun. What do you do if you are carrying? Correct answer: Take cover, report to the police on your cell phone, and observe.

The situation is a homeowner chasing a burglar who just stole his wife's wedding ring. We use this scenario to illustrate (1)why it's a bad idea to pursue a BG who's trying to disengage (property ain't worth you getting shot by another good guy or the police, aside from the legal ramifications) and (2)getting involved as a CCW holder in someone else's altercation is never a good idea unless innocents are obviously in danger.