Friends accusing me of using ammo without permission

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I'd pay back whatever the guy asked, unless it was in the $100 range, and keep things peaceful. Above $100 I'd maybe get together with him eyeball to eyeball to go over the situation and see if a compromise can be worked out.

A 500 acre tract good for shooting is a valuable thing to have access to, at least hereabouts, and I'd definitely try to keep the whole thing on a friendly basis. The "drunk" guy may have a couple of impediments --I know a guy who constantly sounds drunk because of a speech impediment, but is sober as a judge. (I also know drunks whose speech is crisp and clear until they fall down.)

Maybe mentioning the "boogerhook on the bang switch" to the other guys will result in peer pressure for him to watch that little habit --and I'd watch myself around him.

The older I get the more I value friends, and I recently lost one due to a (non-gun) misunderstanding --and he won't even talk to me about it, so I let it go, but I'm not happy about it.

Keep your sense of humor about it, whatever you do.
 
I could be wrong here but AP ammo is Illegal to own and or sell to civilians so the chance that you fired any would be practically none !

I have had morons constantly tell me that their steel core Mil Surplus 7.62x39 are AP rounds They are NOT !

I would ask the person who says you owe him all this ammo to make you a detailed list so you can go out and buy replacements if he is dumb enough to write you a list that includes AP ammo call the local ATF and dbl check as to its legality if I am correct and it is illegal to own , then call the **** up and ask him if he still has any of it at all he could show to you so you buy the right stuff . If he says he still has some and it is indeed illegal to own inform him of this and ask him if he wants you to report him to the ATF for having it or would he rather just settle for a box of some nice Milsurp you ordered off of the INTERNET + what pistol and shotgun ammo you know for a fact you actually owe him .

When it is all said and done tell them to all take a hike as they all sound like imbeciles to me !
 
I could be wrong here but AP ammo is Illegal to own and or sell to civilians so the chance that you fired any would be practically none !

I have had morons constantly tell me that their steel core Mil Surplus 7.62x39 are AP rounds They are NOT !

I would ask the person who says you owe him all this ammo to make you a detailed list so you can go out and buy replacements if he is dumb enough to write you a list that includes AP ammo call the local ATF and dbl check as to its legality if I am correct and it is illegal to own , then call the **** up and ask him if he still has any of it at all he could show to you so you buy the right stuff . If he says he still has some and it is indeed illegal to own inform him of this and ask him if he wants you to report him to the ATF for having it or would he rather just settle for a box of some nice Milsurp you ordered off of the INTERNET + what pistol and shotgun ammo you know for a fact you actually owe him .

When it is all said and done tell them to all take a hike as they all sound like imbeciles to me !
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True about legality, but due to him being military wouldn't it be legal for him to own?
 
I'm just aggravated because 2 of the guys are good friends of mine, the one who owns the guns is a friend of one of my friends and he doesn't really know me. He's met me twice now and that's it.
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If they were good friends this would have never come up.

Pay what you think you owe, say thank you and move on. Life is way to short to put up with this kind of BS from anyone let alone friends.
 
Sounds like you need to find a better class of friends. Ones who aren't a**holes.

My buddies and I go shooting all the time together with a wide variety of guns and calibers. If you got it, shoot it. If you don't got it, borrow it from someone else. Many times I've offered to pay for the more expensive stuff I've shot (S&W 460Mag, .357mag, .357Sig, 30-06, 308) but I've always been turned down. It more or less balances out in the end and if it doesn't, no one cares.
 
I have a feeling they weren't armor peircing rounds at all, the other friend referred to hydrashoks as armor peircing because of the rod. Perhaps they were just hollowpoint 7.62x39 rounds?
 
Pilman,

Then ask for the other guys who shot your guns to give you back some .223 and .45ACP. Seriously, this is infantile :cuss: . Payback what you think you used and not one thing more, then cut the strings.

When I go shooting and invite some folks, they aren't expected to pay for ammo. Usually my friends and I end up splitting the cost on something a few trips down the line, etc. The big thing is, it's not a big deal. Sounds like someone is trying to pawn something off on you. Don't fall for it.
 
According to your original post "guy with guns" was incorrect about the whereabouts of his own magazine THAT DAY! Do you really think he is now capable some 4 months later of providing an accurate accounting of ammo usage among all those guns and all those guys. The whole thing is unreasonable and highly suspect.

Your real dilemma is whether you should blow him off or try to avoid pi$-$ing him off... I do not recommend you cave to his demands. Period. Blowing him off entirely is your choice (but could have some repercussions if you maintain ties to this circle of idiots... I mean friends.) Maybe a smart middle ground approach would be to make the call, thank him for the use of his guns and land, maybe reference all the ammo you brought that day and offer to pay him some for what extra ammo YOU can account for... and then wish him well.

If he is reasonable... that should suffice. If he is unreasonable... you want to cut all ties with him... if he is just plain rude... well... do you really want to have to deal with a rude guy you admit you hardly know?

Situation reminds me of something my wife must repeat many times a day... she's a kindergarten teacher... "Be nice... don't hit." Works for adults too!
 
Four months........ago

They're screwing with you. Next time he calls tell him that ATF and the cops just left your house and warned you not to talk to him until the investigation was over. If he asks you what investigation tell him you have no idea but they had all the names of the shooters with them and wanted to know about the ammunition.

That ought to keep um busy for awhile.

ps. don't go out drinking with these guys. They got a strange way of keeping tabs.
 
True about legality, but due to him being military wouldn't it be legal for him to own?
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Think about that for a sec .

You fired the supposed AP ammo in an SKS right ?

Since when has the American military used 7.62x39 ammo in any weapon Officially that is ?

When the military wants you to have a weapon they issue it too you , if they want you to load it they will issue ammo , when it is all said and done they expect any unused ammo and weapon returned .

If he did get ANY AP ammo from the military he would have to STEAL it , more trouble he could get into .

It is my understanding that even in basic training you are issued a weapon and normally after basic you go on to more training , most of the time the weapon you were issued in basic is then returned right there and then . If at some point they feel you need one for your duties they will once again issue you one but it wont be the same weapon you had in basic . Even MP's that are state side and use a weapon every day are issued and then turn it back in each and every single day , in a war zone this would obviously be different .

Had a friend in the Marines that had several duty stations , at one he was accused of not turning in his M16 at his last station , they were threatening formal charges as well as taking the replacement cost from his pay after a few weeks they found it was all a paperwork error the Armorer logged the wrong serial number when he returned it . If he hadn't been on a float "Stationed on a Navy ship" with a decent CO he would have been in the brig until they straightened the whole mes out .
 
Just kindly explain to them, you will replace the armor piercing stuff as soon as the ban expires,lol.. they aren't allowed to have it anymore than anyone else...

In all honesty, after 4 months, they need to pound sand... They should have told you within a week or so if there was ammo used that needs so be paid for...really, unless you shot up 500 rounds, who cares.. a box or two?? tell em to go jump in a lake...
 
FOUR MONTHS LATER they decide to shake you down?!?! Not the next day, not the next week, but FOUR MONTHS later? :confused:

Do you have the word "SUCKER" in bold letters written on your forehead?

Tell these "friends" of yours that you kept a round count and ended up missing .45 and .223 which you brought along, and you expect to be reimbursed for them.

And find yourself a better class of "friends" as these individuals certainly don't merit the title. (I suggest you think hard and long about the difference between "friends" and "acquaintences.")

I hope you're not so hard up for acceptance that you'll willingly hang out with people who think it's OK to treat you like a doormat . . .
 
Dealers must record the sale of certain AP ammo, but it is not illegal to own.

However, if the air force base where he is stationed is close by, an anonymous tip to the base commander that the guy is stealing ammo might fix him up pretty good.

Jim
 
+100 on getting new friends. Definately sounds like these jack asses need to get a life and buy their own ammo instead of trying to take advantage of a newbie shooter....armour piercing HP's, thats cute.

If youre ever in Indiana, you can shoot my guns for FREE, and I'm not what you'd consider a "friend" either




Rediculous
 
When I go shooting with my friends no one counts ammo. No one charges for ammo. We are there to shoot and as long as you are given permission, every gun is availiable to every person.

In fact I buy a couple of extra boxes of .45 and 12 ga. just to make sure everyone who wants to can shoot those calibers. Strangely, though I cannot recall ever buying a box of .22 I have over 1500 rnds of the stuff. So I take that as well.

So tell these guys to step off. If you know you owe them some rounds pay that much and no more. Perhaps they should have prepared an itemized bill and presented it to you at the time.

Also, if I invite someone to go shooting; unless other arrangements are made beforehand, I'm obligated to comp the ammo, targets, etc. If it means getting someone into the gun culture not only am I obligated, I'm HAPPY to pay for the supplies. Your friends are clueless or worse, liars.
 
my friends that I shoot with

are well aware of how much ammo cost, and we all look out for each other.
If one guy supplies all the ammo, then we buy his dinner, things like that.
I bet you the drunk guy had some old "black talon"
& is blaming you for his lack of impulse control.
Don't even bother talking to these guys again, if they harass you call the police.
 
I still like those HP armor pierce

I still like those "HP armor pierce". :neener:

Next time you get to Michigan, call me. I'll take you shooting...for free.

Doc2005
 
When I go shooting with my friends (my good friends) we bring our own guns and our own ammo, but once we get there it's just kind of a communal arsenal.

I wouldn't give these jerks squat. I'd tell them what my friends would tell me if I said to pay back my ammo four months later. I can't post it, it's not very High Road.

1 They don't know what kind of ammo they even had
2 They are cheap bastards
3 They took your ammo

I wouldn't waste my time meeting with this guy. If I had to meet him, I'd bring a Samoan named Tiny with me.

Let us know how this turns out.
 
Often times in a group of people, when one is made the scapegoat, the others have already conspired and decided his fate.

You could give your friends a 'chance', but I doubt it would do any good. It truly sounds like they decided that they could hit you for the damage (if there was any). As you said that you knew you were responsible for any ammo you shot you should pay what you owe, and nothing more. Lesson learned is that you should have taken care of it 4 months ago when you knew that you owed them for the shotgun ammo.

It is interesting that your inappropriately named "friends" (because they aren't) can remember you shooting a gun that you didn't actually shoot, yet not remember something as significant as you telling them that you didn't shoot the SKS.

Understand that even if your two "friends" aren't in on this (which they probably are); if you want to keep them you will still have to associate with the others. Also, if you want to keep them, you should expect this sort of treatment in the future. If you don't want to deal with this sort of treatment, then dump them. There are too many good folks out there to tolerate users.

You might also point out to your "friends" that you had noticed some of your own ammo missing.

And I agree that you shouldn't go alone.
 
I guess that I'm one of those guys willing to pay my way out of a jam on occasion if it lets me make a graceful exit, especially if there's a friend involved. I (usually) don't want to cause any grief to my friends, so in a situation like this I'll pay what seems a reasonable amount. On the other hand, I will let my friends know that I think I'm being jammed up (once, quietly, and never again) and I will do my level best to never deal with the jamoke that jammed me up ever again.

Look - you may not have shot this dude's ammo, but you may have and not known it. You don't know, and neither does anyone else. Pay the guy a reasonable sum, tell your close friends that you feel that this wasn't handled fairly, and leave it at that. Then stay away from the dude trying to shake you down. Oh, and in the future it'd be a good idea to ask in advance how the financial burden for a group activity is going to be handled - it helps avoid misunderstandings that way, especially if the group is new or you're new to the group.

Life is too short to screw around with jerks, and it's not worth the effort to try to reform every jerk out there - especially if you DID shoot his ChiCom steel-core ammo without knowing it and you wind up being the jerk.

It happens.
 
Why do you call these people your friends? Where I come from they would be called ass holes.
 
I guess that I'm one of those guys willing to pay my way out of a jam on occasion if it lets me make a graceful exit, especially if there's a friend involved. I (usually) don't want to cause any grief to my friends, so in a situation like this I'll pay what seems a reasonable amount. On the other hand, I will let my friends know that I think I'm being jammed up (once, quietly, and never again) and I will do my level best to never deal with the jamoke that jammed me up ever again.

Look - you may not have shot this dude's ammo, but you may have and not known it. You don't know, and neither does anyone else. Pay the guy a reasonable sum, tell your close friends that you feel that this wasn't handled fairly, and leave it at that. Then stay away from the dude trying to shake you down. Oh, and in the future it'd be a good idea to ask in advance how the financial burden for a group activity is going to be handled - it helps avoid misunderstandings that way, especially if the group is new or you're new to the group.

Life is too short to screw around with jerks, and it's not worth the effort to try to reform every jerk out there - especially if you DID shoot his ChiCom steel-core ammo without knowing it and you wind up being the jerk.

It happens.
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He doesn't want the money, I offered him money for the rounds I shot that day and he said he wants the physical ammo.
 
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