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Gen2 solvent trap + oilfilter and a form 1

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by Sentryau2, Feb 8, 2014.

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  1. Sentryau2

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    I dont plan on doing this I am just curious. Would it be possible to take this https://cadizgunworks.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=67 and file out a form 1 (using a living legal trust) and then get oil filters and use it as a suppressor (would I have to have a single oil filter? Or could I just engrave a serial # on the adapter and use the filter untill it needed replaced and then just screw on a new one?
    This seems like it would be more wallet friendly because from what ive seen the oil filters work just as well as an actual suppressor.
     
  2. dogtown tom

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    ATF takes the view that components or parts of a suppressor are considered NFA firearms on their own.

    If you decide to replace the oil filter with a new one..........you fill out another Form 1 w $200 tax. REAL suppressors that have replaceable wipes, baffles, etc can be sent back to the manufacturer for replacement WITHOUT need for another form or tax stamp.
    EDITED to add: if you look on that website, Cadiz offers a "Econocan" oil filter suppressor for $85...........you can send that back for replacement for the low, low price of $25..........I doubt that those oil filters will last more than a few hundred rounds vs a real suppressor and multiple thousands of rounds.

    Frankly I can't understand why anyone would waste a nickel on these "solvent traps". The ;);) that the manufacturers of the solvent trap manufacturers give you should be enough to dissuade even the most gullible or ignorant gun owner. Unfortunately, there are plenty of gullible, ignorant gun owners who think these are a great idea. If you want a "field expedient" suppressor......stick a cantaloupe over the barrel.....you'll look just as stupid for less than $2.
     
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  3. AK103K

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    Stupid, yes, for thinking that would work.

    The oil filter "suppressors" are actually quite effective, even on full auto guns. If you doubt it, have a look around Youtube.
     
  4. Midwest

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    Maybe the Mods should put this in the NFA Section
     
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    Moved to NFA.
     
  6. hentown

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    Per previous Cadiz threads, you don't have to pay the transfer tax every time you change the filter, but you do have to return the unit to the manufacturer for a replacement @ $25.
     
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    How would anyone ever know if the "filter" was replaced? It's the adapter that has the serial number, right?
     
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    Thats what I thought. But, I've been wrong before.
     
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    And, you're wrong again! :evil:
     
  10. Mike1234567

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    How so?
     
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    There is an older fellow on you tube shooting with a filter. He's the one that I 'thought' said the adapter has to be registered because it has the serial number.
     
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    Thinking it would work? No sir.....I KNOW it works.;) So does taping a 2liter plastic bottle to the muzzle.

    Both are cheaper than buying the jail bait adapters from Cadiz.





    And this is the reason Cadiz should be ashamed of themselves......selling their wink wink nudge nudge "solvent traps" to those who are ignorant of Federal law.
    No one except the most gullible would ever think that a "solvent trap" in the form of a $40-90 thread adapter and an oil filter is a good way to clean your gun.

    While you can get a thread adapter "serialized" .............it is the ENTIRE device that is considered a suppressor by ATF......all the parts in the filter, the thread adaptor and the oil filter cover.

    Want to replace any single part yourself? $200 and an approved Form 1.
    Of course you can send it back to the manufacturer for repair or replacement of the oil filter.
     
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    Again... HOW would anyone know if the FILTER was replaced??
     
  14. AK103K

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    The "cantaloupe" would be quite messy, and also quite ineffective. Potatoes dont work either.

    The 2 liter bottle might work for a couple of rounds with a .22, but anything larger, you better be wearing your ear plugs, even for the first round. The only advantage over the mellon is, its just not as messy.

    Wait now, your not using them full of pop are you? If so, never mind about the last messy part. :)

    I too KNOW the above to be fact. ;)


    They are all jail bait when hung on a gun without a tax stamp, regardless of cost or quality.
     
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    Do you put the garbage on the curb?
     
  16. Sentryau2

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    Its not "jail bait" just like suppressor mounts are not jail bait, its a flash hider cut with external threads. Screwing a oil filter on it to recycle solvents is perfectly fine. Its the intended use. So aslong as I "intend" to recycle solvents its no problem.
     
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    Why would ANYONE use an oil filter to trap solvents when a 20 ounce soft drink bottle can be had for free? Why specifically did someone think, "Gosh, I really wish I had an oil filter hung on the muzzle to catch all these solvents (and patches) going down the bore"? And furthermore, why did they only want it to work on rifles with threaded muzzles?

    Short answer is that nobody thought that. What they thought is, "How can I paint some thin veneer of legality onto my illegal silencer"?

    As has been said before: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
     
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    Just to further muddy the waters I've not looked into it into TOO much depth but supposedly there are 1/2-28 threaded oil filters out there.
     
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    It would be interesting to see some data using oil filters as suppressors including weight, dB reduction, accuracy, precision, poi shift and usable life.
     
  20. Anmut

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    If a guy was a prepper he might order a few of these and have a bunch of unused oil filters laying around. Not for use now because of legalities, but if SHTF - well as the the old Farside cartoon said...
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  21. Mike1234567

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    No. :)
     
  22. Sentryau2

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    Just because you dont like something, dosent make it stupid. The ATF thought it was reasonable enough to allow it to continue.
     
  23. AK103K

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    Im always skeptical about the ATF being "reasonable". They generally arent, and when they appear to be, the little hairs on the back of my neck usually start to stand up.

    Just because its OK with them today, doesnt mean it will be tomorrow, as they have demonstrated on a number of occasions in the past.

    I often think that their apparent reasonableness, is nothing more than the start of a self incriminating set up. They bide their time, pay attention to whats going on, all the while feeding out the rope.

    Im still amazed that they are letting this "adapter" go, when they already put them into the NFA back in the late 80, early 90's with a similar item meant to allow a 2 liter pop bottle to be attached to the threaded barrel of a MAC. Its even more amazing since the oil filters "actually work" as a suppressor.
     
  24. Gordon

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    I remember in the late 80s when the ATF seized the records of auto sear companies and spent a few years tracking them all down, word to the wise.
     
  25. Anmut

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    I would think a guy could go to a hardware store and make an adapter that threads on to an oil filter. Or just ream and thread your own... this isn't rocket science.
     
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