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Newbomb said:
Since, you said you do not like the grip safety of the XD and lack of a manual safety on a Glock and you would also consider the M&P, then the logic answer would be the S&W M&P-45 with thumb safety.
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Since, you said you do not like the grip safety of the XD and lack of a manual safety on a Glock and you would also consider the M&P, then the logic answer would be the S&W M&P-45 with thumb safety.
Ghost Walker
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I've been carrying one gun or another around with me for more than 50 years. During this time I've seen lots and lots of mistakes made with firearms. I carry my own personal Glock in C-3 (empty chamber) which is the same method-of-carry I would recommend to anyone who is, either, new to Glock or careful about his own personal safety and that of his family.
Yes, it's an American tradition to carry all pistols around in C-1 (chambered with the hammer/striker back and under tension) and ready for that once in a lifetime, 'instant ambush' event. Tradition, extraordinary preparedness, and, 'Kool-Aid' aside, I do not think this is, generally, a smart thing to do; and, there's plenty of videos on both TV and the internet to illustrate the point.
Go, 'hot' when you have to go hot; the rest of the time use your God-given, 'spidey senses' to know when and when not to be ready to use your weapon. In fact, C-3 carry is often an advantage because by realizing you might have to, 'go to the gun' you should be a little more anticipatory and a little quicker than you, otherwise, might be.
It's, also, been my experience that under a majority of hostile circumstances, anticipation is actually more useful than speed. (You can trust me on this. It ain't; 'theory' and I'm sure about what I'm saying.)
Dude, thanks Ghost Walker. That makes sense and helps a lot. Very good advice, and in thinking over what you said I'm now, at least conceptually, more comfortable with the Glock setup.
That said, what is your preference in Glock pistols?
That said, what is your preference in Glock pistols?
I fail to understand the benefit of the Glock if you feel you need to carry it with an empty chamber.
I thought the whole point of the Glock design is to take the delay out of using the gun when necessary.
I'm an XD fan. The grip safety has a couple functions that go beyond preventing an accidental discharge, and I don't think I'd ever feel as comfortable as I'd like, carrying a Glock. That's one reason I don't own a Glock. If I can't feel 100% fine, carrying it LOADED and READY TO FIRE, then I'll carry something else.
Others may differ, and that's fine, too. If you believe you can trust the Glock, your carry method, your draw, etc., to prevent an accidental discharge with no safety other than the trigger, then I won't argue.
But...
If you think that, in an immediate, life-threatening, self-defense situation as a civilian, you can draw from concealment, then chamber a round, in a heavy-sprung gun like a .45, with 100% reliability, before taking a knife or a bullet, I think you're really kidding yourself.
I don't want to start a debate with fans of pistols with only the trigger as a safety. If you feel comfortable carrying the thing concealed with a round chambered, then more power to you. And yeah, certain holsters certainly make it safer to carry a gun with no manual or grip safety (not just Glocks at this time).
However, if I felt the need to carry the gun with no round chambered, I'd sell it.
I thought the whole point of the Glock design is to take the delay out of using the gun when necessary.
I'm an XD fan. The grip safety has a couple functions that go beyond preventing an accidental discharge, and I don't think I'd ever feel as comfortable as I'd like, carrying a Glock. That's one reason I don't own a Glock. If I can't feel 100% fine, carrying it LOADED and READY TO FIRE, then I'll carry something else.
Others may differ, and that's fine, too. If you believe you can trust the Glock, your carry method, your draw, etc., to prevent an accidental discharge with no safety other than the trigger, then I won't argue.
But...
If you think that, in an immediate, life-threatening, self-defense situation as a civilian, you can draw from concealment, then chamber a round, in a heavy-sprung gun like a .45, with 100% reliability, before taking a knife or a bullet, I think you're really kidding yourself.
I don't want to start a debate with fans of pistols with only the trigger as a safety. If you feel comfortable carrying the thing concealed with a round chambered, then more power to you. And yeah, certain holsters certainly make it safer to carry a gun with no manual or grip safety (not just Glocks at this time).
However, if I felt the need to carry the gun with no round chambered, I'd sell it.
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Ghost Walker
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In my six years of experience with Glock pistols I have found that certain Glock models are actually (nearly) perfect. The Glocks you can’t go wrong with are the models: G-17, G-19, G-34, and G-21. The G-30 used to be flawless; but, right now, Glock is busy ironing out certain flaws in several of their, ‘SF’ designs; and, for the time being, the G-30 is one of them.
Caveats? On the G-21, stay away from Glock’s troublesome ambidextrous magazine release. Use only the standard (right thumb) magazine release. The Picatinny rail is, ‘nutz’. I live right next door to Picatinny Arsenal. (I’ve partied there many times.) If anybody should have a Picatinny rail on his pistol it would be me; but, I just can’t figure out what to use one for? As far as I can tell Glock’s Picatinny rail is some sort of mechanical detritus left over from the factory's last (failed) military bid.
Stay away from the G-36. Some work very well; and, others are never going to work at all. Personally, I consider the G-36 to be the biggest, ‘dog’ in the Glock lineup; however, G-36 owners (and former owners) are, about, equally divided in their divergent opinions of the G-36.
I would encourage anyone who’s thinking about buying a used Glock to be careful about getting anything that’s less than a 3rd generation model. There’s been a lot of quiet ongoing development in the evolution of polymer pistols – especially with Glocks! With 1st and 2nd generation Glock models, you just never know what you might be getting. It could be a, ‘pipperoo’, or it could be a, ‘stinkeroo’.
Many of the professional pistol users I know consider Glock’s Models G-22 and G-23 to be, ‘problematic’. Some problems are solvable with a new magazine follower or an extra length magazine spring. Others which are more closely related to, ‘polymer frame harmonics’ (Glock’s terminology, not mine) have more elusive solutions. I know of, at least, 3 police departments who have solved their 40 caliber Glock and tac light problems by turning their 40 caliber Glocks into 9mm Glocks.
As far as your question about which Glock I carry goes? It’s a G-21; and, I’m quite satisfied with it.
Oooooo Kaaaaay, …… To quote the immortal words of Priscilla Mullins to John Alden when he presented a marriage proposal to her on behalf of his friend Miles Standish; ‘Speak for yourself, John!’
copaup
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I must respectfully disagree with Ghost Walker. I'm a cop. A simple street cop. I'm not some kind of high speed, low drag "operator" type, I'm just a cop in a rough city. I carry every day, on and off duty and see the results of violent encounters daily. Any violent armed encounter will be sudden and most likely unexpected. Most do involve that "once in a lifetime sudden ambush" and a remarkable number of them happen in "low crime" areas.
I assure you, and on this I do speak from some experience, in the unlikely event you need that gun, you will need it RIGHT NOW. You will be under stress, your hands will be unsteady, your mind will not be working as quickly as you are used to, and you will be reduced to your lowest level of efficiency. You will be hard pressed to draw, index on target, and fire effective rounds on target. Why complicate this by adding the requirement to chamber a round into the weapon on the draw?
This assumes that you have both hands free and functional at the time of the assault. There are numerous situations that are likely to occur in the unlikely event of a violent attack that could result in 1 hand being either occupied of unusable. For example, a strong armed robbery where an assailant grabs you and attempts to pummel you to the ground and overpower you. You fight back and while wrestling with you the subject draws a knife, which you have to ward off with one hand.
I have never had to shoot another person, and hopefully never will. I have, however, been in many situations where I would have been justified in using lethal force. Oddly, few of these situations occurred with sufficient warning to enable me to "go hot" immediately prior to needing my weapon. Indeed, if I were a private citizen and had a warning that a armed encounter may ensue, I would happily leave the area rather than chambering a round into my sidearm.
I suggest an experiment. Obtain 2 deactivated and non functional firearms and 5 other people. One of these people will be armed with one of the pistols which we will assume to be in a ready to fire condition. You will be armed with the other in a "chamber empty" condition in a holster. You will not know who the other armed party is. At some point during a 3 hour period (to provide uncertainty as to the time of the assault) the "armed robber" will demand your money and it is clear he doesn't want to leave you as a witness. You now have to draw, chamber, id the target, find a shot that doesn't hit "bystanders", and engage the target before he drops the hammer on a weapon that he already has out and aimed at you. I suggest placing money on it in order to ensure maximum effort. Get used to hearing his gun click first.
Action always beats reaction. Even the best trained person has a reactionary gap during which the brain has to process what is happening and how to react. In an armed encounter you are already behind the curve because of this biological fact. Why further handicap yourself by adding steps you must perform?
It 11 years of carrying a handgun daily I have yet to find a trigger that would pull itself inside the holster. I have yet to find one that "just went off" on the draw that didn't involve someone sticking their finger in the trigger guard and pulling the trigger. Train yourself to keep your finger on the frame until your sights are on target. Practice shooting up close, strong hand, weak hand, from awkward positions, from the ground, etc. Practice drills that will help you develop the ability to quickly and accurately id the target and engage it without hitting "bystanders." These are things that will benifit you in the highly unlikely and unfortunate event you have to use your weapon. If you are concerned about the glock discharging itself i sugget you place one in a holster with an empty chamber and carry it around the house for a few days. Roll around on the floor. Jump up and down. Fall on the holster. Drop the empty gun on the floor a few times. I assure you, the striker won't fall until you deliberately pull that trigger.
If you carry, you owe it to yourself to train with your weapon until you are proficient enough to deploy it as designed before carrying it in public.
I assure you, and on this I do speak from some experience, in the unlikely event you need that gun, you will need it RIGHT NOW. You will be under stress, your hands will be unsteady, your mind will not be working as quickly as you are used to, and you will be reduced to your lowest level of efficiency. You will be hard pressed to draw, index on target, and fire effective rounds on target. Why complicate this by adding the requirement to chamber a round into the weapon on the draw?
This assumes that you have both hands free and functional at the time of the assault. There are numerous situations that are likely to occur in the unlikely event of a violent attack that could result in 1 hand being either occupied of unusable. For example, a strong armed robbery where an assailant grabs you and attempts to pummel you to the ground and overpower you. You fight back and while wrestling with you the subject draws a knife, which you have to ward off with one hand.
I have never had to shoot another person, and hopefully never will. I have, however, been in many situations where I would have been justified in using lethal force. Oddly, few of these situations occurred with sufficient warning to enable me to "go hot" immediately prior to needing my weapon. Indeed, if I were a private citizen and had a warning that a armed encounter may ensue, I would happily leave the area rather than chambering a round into my sidearm.
I suggest an experiment. Obtain 2 deactivated and non functional firearms and 5 other people. One of these people will be armed with one of the pistols which we will assume to be in a ready to fire condition. You will be armed with the other in a "chamber empty" condition in a holster. You will not know who the other armed party is. At some point during a 3 hour period (to provide uncertainty as to the time of the assault) the "armed robber" will demand your money and it is clear he doesn't want to leave you as a witness. You now have to draw, chamber, id the target, find a shot that doesn't hit "bystanders", and engage the target before he drops the hammer on a weapon that he already has out and aimed at you. I suggest placing money on it in order to ensure maximum effort. Get used to hearing his gun click first.
Action always beats reaction. Even the best trained person has a reactionary gap during which the brain has to process what is happening and how to react. In an armed encounter you are already behind the curve because of this biological fact. Why further handicap yourself by adding steps you must perform?
It 11 years of carrying a handgun daily I have yet to find a trigger that would pull itself inside the holster. I have yet to find one that "just went off" on the draw that didn't involve someone sticking their finger in the trigger guard and pulling the trigger. Train yourself to keep your finger on the frame until your sights are on target. Practice shooting up close, strong hand, weak hand, from awkward positions, from the ground, etc. Practice drills that will help you develop the ability to quickly and accurately id the target and engage it without hitting "bystanders." These are things that will benifit you in the highly unlikely and unfortunate event you have to use your weapon. If you are concerned about the glock discharging itself i sugget you place one in a holster with an empty chamber and carry it around the house for a few days. Roll around on the floor. Jump up and down. Fall on the holster. Drop the empty gun on the floor a few times. I assure you, the striker won't fall until you deliberately pull that trigger.
If you carry, you owe it to yourself to train with your weapon until you are proficient enough to deploy it as designed before carrying it in public.
Interesting. Thanks so much Ghost Walker, copaup, and ArmedBear. Much appreciated.
I suppose my question now is what makes an XD.45 safer to carry with one in the chamber than a Glock 21SF?....just the grip safety as an added measure to keep the round going off? Wouldn't then a manual safety make such a gun that much safer, or would that add too many "things" to take care of before firing?
And I don't intend to carry whatever pistol I end up with...it will be a home-defense (my shotgun is a bit much for my wife, I wager), just-for-the-sake-of-owning-one-pistol pistol. I figure if we need to use it we'll (hopefully) have a bit of advance notice that someone is in the house, which would allow time for one to keep, say, a Glock 21SF loaded, even without a round chambered, and still be able to have it "ready" for defense. Don't know if that changes things much for the sake of the discourse here...
I suppose my question now is what makes an XD.45 safer to carry with one in the chamber than a Glock 21SF?....just the grip safety as an added measure to keep the round going off? Wouldn't then a manual safety make such a gun that much safer, or would that add too many "things" to take care of before firing?
And I don't intend to carry whatever pistol I end up with...it will be a home-defense (my shotgun is a bit much for my wife, I wager), just-for-the-sake-of-owning-one-pistol pistol. I figure if we need to use it we'll (hopefully) have a bit of advance notice that someone is in the house, which would allow time for one to keep, say, a Glock 21SF loaded, even without a round chambered, and still be able to have it "ready" for defense. Don't know if that changes things much for the sake of the discourse here...
I've got the 5" XD Tactical. What a great gun. Best polymer .45 on the market. I did have the Service model but upgraded to the tactical and there is a difference in accuracy. That extra inch gives the .45ACP a little longer to burn as well as improve accuracy.
Yes, and yes.
Personally, I like the grip safety because it makes it possible (if not wise) to carry the gun around by the trigger without setting it off. If something snags the trigger, it won't fire the gun by itself, either.
The grip safety does more, though. It locks the slide, with just enough play to do a "press check" without any risk of ejecting a round or getting the gun out of battery. A manual safety might lock the slide, but doesn't generally offer the second feature.
But it doesn't require any extra effort to take the gun off safe. Grab it, and it's off-safe. Let go of it, and it's on-safe. That's another feature I like about the grip safety: a manual safety doesn't put the gun back on safe when you put it down or holster it.
The specific design features of the XD appeal to me. IMO it's a very well-thought-out defensive gun, a good balance between simplicity and safety features.
That's me. Lots of people carry Glocks, including a lot of cops, and not just in the US.
Of course, either way it's still a gun, not a water pistol. Nothing is any safer than the guy holding it.
If you're not going to chamber a round, though, you might as well get any gun you want. No need for a safety, and a single action is as good as any. The whole POINT of modern defensive firearms design, really, is safe, loaded carry.
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Ghost Walker
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copaup,
Thank you for respectfully disagreeing with me. That was a very courteous reply, too. It might surprise you to know that I really don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. I’ll only remind that everything needs to be kept within its proper context.
As a police officer you are indeed confronted by daily events which for most of us would be, ‘once in a lifetime occurrences.’ This is not, however, the same situation as having thousands and thousands of, ‘weekend marksmen’ walking around the neighborhood: strapped, cocked, and locked all of the time – And all of this in anticipation of an event that is less likely to occur than an automobile accident.
I spend a lot of time on public firing lines. Believe me there are days when I wish I didn’t! You name the firearm mistake; and, at one time or another, I’ve either seen it, ducked it, or (rather sadly) felt it. Even heavily experience gunmen occasionally make a mistake with a gun – It happens!
Up until, about, 3 years ago I would have sworn – I would have sworn – that a safety violation with a firearm couldn’t ever happen to me. (Or, so I thought!) Believe me, in the everyday civilian world through which I move: Me, my family, my neighbors, and my pets are a lot better off if I don’t carry in, ‘C-0’ – The proper designation for every pretensioned striker-fired firearm!
Anyone in your line of work has to carry chambered. The vast majority of civilians do not; it’s just that their egos drive them to it. I further agree with you that the principal disadvantage to C-3 carry is the necessity to have to use two hands on the draw. I’m going to guess that you’re already far enough along in this game to know that there is no perceptible time disadvantage – OK. (Or, at least, I personally have never been hampered by one.)
‘Action always beats reaction’ That’s very well said! As I think I’ve already pointed out: ‘Anticipation beats speed every time!’ For obvious reasons we don’t often talk about topics like this on internet firearms forums; but, after thinking about it for awhile, I think you might agree.
‘If you carry, you owe it to yourself to train with your weapon until you are proficient enough to deploy it as designed before carrying it in public.’ Again, another good one! Let’s be perfectly honest, though. How many gun toters do you know who are genuinely practiced to this extent? (Certainly not the guy who put a 45 caliber bullet hole into the floor in front of the cash register of the largest sports shop in our county! Naturally, he was, ‘clearing’ the weapon when it went off.)
ArmedBear, Please, feel free! After all C-0/C-1 carry is perfectly legal. Go ahead and do whatever makes you happy. As long as you don’t live nearby, or have any contact with me or mine, I truly don’t care. We don’t need to discuss this topic any further.
dehughes, Whatever you decide, I genuinely wish you well. I carried a 1911 government model with a grip safety on the frame for more than 30 years. It was, and (maybe) still is one of my favorite pistols. My only objections to the XD line of pistols are that the bore axis is too high to be as soft shooting as a Glock; I, also, don’t like the plastic frame rails; and, I really don’t want to be forced to deal with the factory whenever I need to make a simple change, or something has to be fixed.
XD triggers are, also, a lot stiffer than what a Glock’s trigger mechanism can be easily and cheaply tuned to. In fact, you can do most of the work on a Glock at your own workbench. As far as which pistol is safer? You need to remember that:
1. The gun is always loaded.
2. Never allow the muzzle to, so much as, cross ANYTHING you are unwilling to see destroyed.
3. Never put your finger inside the triggerguard until AFTER you have made a conscious decision to fire.
4. Be very sure of your target and whatever is behind it.
In my experience, the above four safety rules are worth a whole lot more than any grip safety, or other, ‘bells and whistles’. It's been fun, fellas. I'm, now, out of here.
Thank you for respectfully disagreeing with me. That was a very courteous reply, too. It might surprise you to know that I really don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. I’ll only remind that everything needs to be kept within its proper context.
As a police officer you are indeed confronted by daily events which for most of us would be, ‘once in a lifetime occurrences.’ This is not, however, the same situation as having thousands and thousands of, ‘weekend marksmen’ walking around the neighborhood: strapped, cocked, and locked all of the time – And all of this in anticipation of an event that is less likely to occur than an automobile accident.
I spend a lot of time on public firing lines. Believe me there are days when I wish I didn’t! You name the firearm mistake; and, at one time or another, I’ve either seen it, ducked it, or (rather sadly) felt it. Even heavily experience gunmen occasionally make a mistake with a gun – It happens!
Up until, about, 3 years ago I would have sworn – I would have sworn – that a safety violation with a firearm couldn’t ever happen to me. (Or, so I thought!) Believe me, in the everyday civilian world through which I move: Me, my family, my neighbors, and my pets are a lot better off if I don’t carry in, ‘C-0’ – The proper designation for every pretensioned striker-fired firearm!
Anyone in your line of work has to carry chambered. The vast majority of civilians do not; it’s just that their egos drive them to it. I further agree with you that the principal disadvantage to C-3 carry is the necessity to have to use two hands on the draw. I’m going to guess that you’re already far enough along in this game to know that there is no perceptible time disadvantage – OK. (Or, at least, I personally have never been hampered by one.)
‘Action always beats reaction’ That’s very well said! As I think I’ve already pointed out: ‘Anticipation beats speed every time!’ For obvious reasons we don’t often talk about topics like this on internet firearms forums; but, after thinking about it for awhile, I think you might agree.
‘If you carry, you owe it to yourself to train with your weapon until you are proficient enough to deploy it as designed before carrying it in public.’ Again, another good one! Let’s be perfectly honest, though. How many gun toters do you know who are genuinely practiced to this extent? (Certainly not the guy who put a 45 caliber bullet hole into the floor in front of the cash register of the largest sports shop in our county! Naturally, he was, ‘clearing’ the weapon when it went off.)
ArmedBear, Please, feel free! After all C-0/C-1 carry is perfectly legal. Go ahead and do whatever makes you happy. As long as you don’t live nearby, or have any contact with me or mine, I truly don’t care. We don’t need to discuss this topic any further.
dehughes, Whatever you decide, I genuinely wish you well. I carried a 1911 government model with a grip safety on the frame for more than 30 years. It was, and (maybe) still is one of my favorite pistols. My only objections to the XD line of pistols are that the bore axis is too high to be as soft shooting as a Glock; I, also, don’t like the plastic frame rails; and, I really don’t want to be forced to deal with the factory whenever I need to make a simple change, or something has to be fixed.
XD triggers are, also, a lot stiffer than what a Glock’s trigger mechanism can be easily and cheaply tuned to. In fact, you can do most of the work on a Glock at your own workbench. As far as which pistol is safer? You need to remember that:
1. The gun is always loaded.
2. Never allow the muzzle to, so much as, cross ANYTHING you are unwilling to see destroyed.
3. Never put your finger inside the triggerguard until AFTER you have made a conscious decision to fire.
4. Be very sure of your target and whatever is behind it.
In my experience, the above four safety rules are worth a whole lot more than any grip safety, or other, ‘bells and whistles’. It's been fun, fellas. I'm, now, out of here.
Ala Dan
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My vote has too go to Springfield Armory's XD-45; as it just fits me better
than a G-21~!
than a G-21~!
ohioshooter
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I have both the 1st gen Glock 21 and the .45 XD and as a carry I like the XD because it doesn't fit bulky in my carry shirt as the G-21 does. Just my opinion though. Plus my XD is a tactical and my g-21 isn't.
schmeky
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Where are the XD pics?
copaup
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In response to the original question, I prefer the Glock 21sf to the XD. No real reason other than personal preference. I dislike the feel of the XDs grip safety and the 21sf feels better in my hand. I'm currently running my SF with the factory trigger spring and a 3.5 connector, but have run it with the NY1 spring and 3.5 connector which gives a heavier trigger with constant resistance and a better reset. If the loaded chamber on a Glock still makes you nervous, try the NY1 trigger spring. With the factory connector it will put you at about an 8lb pull, which should be proof against any but deliberate trigger pulls while still being fairly shootable. Bear in mind my duty weapons (Smith 5946, Smith 4043, and Sig 229r) have all been DAO with 12lb triggers, so my definition of fairly shootable trigger may be different than yours. As an aside, the trigger on my 21sf breaks at around 4lbs and I feel perfectly safe carrying it loaded. The Glock will never have a 1911 match trigger, but with some simple polishing and swapping around springs and connectors they can be made suprisingly nice for striker fired pistols.
Ghost Walker,
Your courtesy is appreciated as well. It is rare on the internet to be able to disagree yet still discuss it in a reasonable manner. Certainly, I support your right to carry your weapon in whatever manner your prefer. Its your posterior, not mine, and therefore none of my business.
In my personal opinion, for what ever that may be worth, a novice who is either unwilling or unable to become comfortable or proficient in carrying a Glock, or other auto, with a loaded chamber would be better served with a medium framed revolver than by handicapping themselves with an empty chamber. After all, are we to suppose that this person who is not trained sufficiently to safely operate a chambered auto will paradoxicly be well trained enough to chamber the round on the draw under pressure?
In fact, I firmly recomend a 3-4 inch medium frame .38 special revolver such as the model 10 to what I consider novice shooters who simply want a gun for protection but aren't "shooters." Further, I often suggest a DAO gun for the simple fact that I have answered more than one call to uncock a DA revolver for someone who found their deceased spouses weapon in a drawer and realized they didn't know what to do with it after pulling the hammer back. For this class of shooter the simplicity of the revolver outweighs the limited capacity, and in my experience they tend to shoot them better due to the limited capacity and the need to make the on board rounds count.
But again, that is merely my opinion and I'm no tactical genius.
Ghost Walker,
Your courtesy is appreciated as well. It is rare on the internet to be able to disagree yet still discuss it in a reasonable manner. Certainly, I support your right to carry your weapon in whatever manner your prefer. Its your posterior, not mine, and therefore none of my business.
In my personal opinion, for what ever that may be worth, a novice who is either unwilling or unable to become comfortable or proficient in carrying a Glock, or other auto, with a loaded chamber would be better served with a medium framed revolver than by handicapping themselves with an empty chamber. After all, are we to suppose that this person who is not trained sufficiently to safely operate a chambered auto will paradoxicly be well trained enough to chamber the round on the draw under pressure?
In fact, I firmly recomend a 3-4 inch medium frame .38 special revolver such as the model 10 to what I consider novice shooters who simply want a gun for protection but aren't "shooters." Further, I often suggest a DAO gun for the simple fact that I have answered more than one call to uncock a DA revolver for someone who found their deceased spouses weapon in a drawer and realized they didn't know what to do with it after pulling the hammer back. For this class of shooter the simplicity of the revolver outweighs the limited capacity, and in my experience they tend to shoot them better due to the limited capacity and the need to make the on board rounds count.
But again, that is merely my opinion and I'm no tactical genius.
boomstik45
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I like the G21 better than the 4" XD. However, I like the 5" XD better than the G21.
The M&P is fine.
I'd go Springfield XD 5" first, with the G21 a close second. The 4" XD is okay. I really like the first one I had. The second one for some reason just wasn't as good. Same with the third. The 5" was awesome though.
The M&P is fine.
I'd go Springfield XD 5" first, with the G21 a close second. The 4" XD is okay. I really like the first one I had. The second one for some reason just wasn't as good. Same with the third. The 5" was awesome though.
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