Glock 31 fired out of battery--Kaboom - twice

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I don't know if his numbers are right but DENALI has the right idea. From what I read (on the internet so who knows) most of the KB's occur with 40S&W. How many rounds of 40S&W do you think gets put through Glocks in this country everyday? My guess is quite a bit. If you use reloads, make sure they are made correctly. A reload is no different than factory if they are loaded correctly. Don't shoot a bunch of lead through it without taking the proper precautions (I don't do this but some do, they clean lead out of the barrel before it becomes an issue). As far as firing out of battery, the question is why didn't it go completely into battery? Weak recoil spring, dirty gun, cases not sized right, who knows but there is a reason.

By the way I'm not a Glock above all others type. Shoot what you want, *** do I care whether your gun is "inherently" unsafe or unreliable. I just find it a little ridiculous for folks to spout of all these reasons why Glocks are unsafe when they aren't problems caused by the gun.
 
Denali, If you want to go back and forth on this for days....

You mean this HK kBoom!?

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/hk-expert.html

Since you are asking me to read, how about you read all of it, then read about the Holy Glock experience. Any difference?

I know you are new here, but this is the High Road.
 
A gun being capable of firing out of battery most certainly is an safety problem caused by the gun. Think of it from a risk management perspective. Catastrophic events have to be managed and avoided. Firing out of battery often results in a catastrophic event. Usually if something is truly dangerous, the machine should have safety measures built in to avoid (ie, it won't fire out of battery). But unfortunately Glocks don't, which means the responsibility rests on your shoulders. Are you going to check after every shot to see if the gun has returned to battery? Probably not. So basically, you're relying on fate. The important issues is not why handguns do not return to battery, it's the fact that from time to time they don't. Even if it's dirty, what are you gonna say? "Oh, it's okay my Glock exploded. I let it get dirty, so it didn't fully return to battery."
 
Boy, I'd hate to have to constantly worry about what kind of ammo I was using for fear of a Kb.

Good lord, man, even my featherweight Kel-Tec's can take handloads without becoming fragmentation grenades.
 
After the first kaboom, I detail stripped the complete pistol to look for cracks etc, the pistol was reassymbled. I checked the remaining ammo for OAL and pulled bullets to comfirm powder weight, everything was correct. The powder weight was midway between the starting load and the max load listed in a new Lyman reloading manual. Then, believing everything was safe, I gave it another try. I know of other Glocks that kaboomed over the ramp, that was reassymbled after a careful inspection, and ran without further problems.
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Are you a factory certified Glock armorer? Were you shooting factory ammo? If the answers to those questions are NO, then I seriously doubt Glock can or will be held responsible for an unauthorized/trained person totally disassembling the pistol, and firing handloaded ammo in it.
 
Hm, Hm, how to respond. Let's follw the bouncing ball if we can, ok? Let us start with the assumption that there are only 1,000,000 Glock .40 cal pistols in the US, a number that we all can agree is conservative. Now let's assume that those million Glocks are only fired 100-200 times a year, a number once again we all know to be false. Now we have arrived conservatively; at the number 100-200,000,000 firing events a year. How does 10 kabooms a year sound as a starting point, let us say 10 kabooms a year circa 2003 a higher number than the man I'm cribbing from knew of in all the world in that time frame. Now assuming 200,000,000 firing events and 10 kabooms, or in other words a low number and a high number, what are the odds that our evil black plastic Glocks are gonna ballisticlly disasemble themslves.....:If you can produce a number on your calculator after crunching all those numbers I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong... And please feel free to refer to Patrick Sweeney's excellent Book of the Glock............:evil:
 
We can all sit around and make up statistics if we want to. Of course it won't really mean we've proved anything;)
 
I wouldn't blame the gun, I'd blame the reloaded ammo. .357 Sig is one of the more difficult cartridges to reload, and it is not very forgiving of mistakes.
Some guns can handle out-of-spec ammo better than others.

.357 Sig is a very high pressure round (compared to other pistol rounds). You have to worry about shoulder shape and location. There is a small neck compared to .40S&W or 9x19, so neck tension is an issue. Insufficient neck tension can lead to bullet setback. Bullet setback can cause pressures to rise dramatically. Then there's the general loading "oops" problems of OAL, brass length, proper primer, proper powder, proper charge weight, etc.

A close friend has been reloading for a very long time and he bought an aftermarket barrel for his G23 because of suspicious case bulges. He said it wasn't worth risking a kaboom. He was using mild charge weight but was still getting bulges. No problems now that he switched barrels. He was fully aware that he might have to switch barrels if he bought a Glock .40.

Why buy a gun you can't shoot "everything" out of? Whether they deserve it or not, Glocks have a reputation for durability, quality, reliability, and accuracy. They have a tremendous amount of aftermarket support for sights and holsters, and, believe it or not, some people find them comfortable. They are reasonably priced on the new market and there are tons on the used market from police trade-ins.

I'm very happy with my 9x19 Glock.
 
I completely agree, to think that 70% or so of LEA are wrong or getting a second rate firearm is foolishness. And by the way I'm not attacking H&K or any other weapon I'm just refering to one of the older precepts of commerce, you know the one about volume and lack of volume...
 
Funny thing, Haycreek didn't mention his .357 Sig Kaboom.

So, this would be a total of 3 KABOOMS by Haycreek. Between 2 kabooms on one gun just shots apart, complete with a rebuild from the first kaboom where there were parts that flew off, but none broken, and the .357 Sig, either Haycreek is a genuine threat to the safety of shooters or this is all BS.

See
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=319195&highlight=kaboom
 
What third kB are you talking about? And what second gun? The thread you linked to was the first kB in the Glock 31. This thread is the second kB in the same gun. I believe you've jumped to some conclusions.
 
OMG....

1. Lead in Glock barrels is bad because the bore becomes larger the closer to the muzzel it gets. The poly rifling can loose it's grip on the bullet towards the end and it allows the lead bullet to spin sometimes leaving a lead buildup....

2. I have seen so many handguns go kaboom its not even funny. I have yet to see a kaboom that was the manufacturers fault....

3. The 40 S&W out of a Glock is as safe as any other gun even with reloads with GOOD brass and not overpowered. I agree there 40 chambers are loose and could use a little more support, but they are far from unsafe. THIS IS A MYTH!

4. The original poster never mentioned if he modified the gun or the specifics of his reloads. Without that info, this thread is meaningless.

5. Shooting a gun after it has just exploded is Darwin Award material, and nothing anyone says about this issue to this individual will help him save himself.
 
Ruger’s are “chunky” because there is added steel to the critical areas of the slide plus ALL Rugers have a fully supported chamber unlike Glock. Glock looks like a shoebox with a handgrip and they go KBOOM. We don’t hear too much about SW, Sig, or Ruger going KBOOM.
 
Was any work done to the gun prior to the problem, like polishing the feed ramp or anything at all? I broke the ejection spring on my 23 and it still fired untill I took it apart, they are very resilient weapons.
 
The whole thing about the gun blowing up, slapping it back together, and then firing it again before allowing a qualified examiner to inspect it just boggles my mind. If EVER there were a case to suspect USER ERROR, this case just screams for it.

Anyhow, for those who give a flying funk, heres the chamber comparison pic from Dean Speir's site.

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Glock warranty work

How and where do you send a Glock back in for work? I had a kaboom in my Glock and need to figure out where/how to send it in.
 
Is it the newer glocks that have the problem more so than the older ones, mine are both ten or more years old, my 30 I got as soon as it came out at a gun show, gotta be 9 or 10 years and my 23 is more like 12 yrs old, maybe I should fire them more often than I do, as it's been a couple yrs since I fired my 23, any insight on this.
 
It's pretty apparent that the original poster is full of it, and like most Glock kabooms it just dident happen! Did someone mention Ruger? I'll repeat my request, name just ONE MAJOR LEA that issues or allows there LEO's to carry a Ruger P-series pistol...........
 
What third kB are you talking about? And what second gun? The thread you linked to was the first kB in the Glock 31. This thread is the second kB in the same gun. I believe you've jumped to some conclusions.
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Okay, my bad. Same gun both times and not separate incidents.
 
Per "Ruger and his guns"

I have pictures of this test if you want them. There is huge cut in the slide. A Glock would never survive that kind of punishment.


P-85
The P-85 barrel’s was plugged with a Steel rod and fired with military high-pressure M882 ammunition and the only damage was bent extractor that separated from the slide as the case was removed from the chamber. One P-85 had its entire right side of the ejection port removed and 2,000 rounds of M882 ammunition were fired with no signs of stress. The pistol was then subjected to 3,000 rounds of M882 ammunition. During both sessions the pistol was not disassembled or cleaned and was not allowed to cool during firing. At 1,000 round intervals the pistol was examined for slide fractures. After 5,000 rounds no damage was observed.

The state Police of Wisconsin adopted the P-85 in 1987. The Israeli Air forces has ordered substantial numbers of the P-85. In addition many foreign governments have adopted the P-85 in Central America, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East as well as numerous domestic law enforcement organizations.
 
Chicago PD had P-89M (which is an All blue P-93 with DAO with Hogue grips) There are more agencies, but Ruger’s main issue is that they do not offer lifetime warranties or LEO discounts unlike Glock.
 
Ta TA TA BLUE BRICK, Wisconsin State Troopers briefly adopted the P-85 MKII and then the P-89 which they dumped in favour of the ballisticlly unstable Glock-22 and 23. Further the DOD picked up 5,000 P-95's and 5,000 Stigmas to give away to the afghan army and I believe the iraqis. The P-89m or q or whatever is not nor has it ever been a P-93 compact. As to the IDF and other army's that may or may not be. Can you substantiate Chicago PD?
 
In the 70’s most police agencies drove Dodge’s rather than Ford or Chevy. Why, because Dodge was cheaper. Lower bids win contracts; I don’t put much faith in what law enforcement uses. One man makes the final decision on what each department uses and most of the time money or personal preference has something to do with it. Less $ per officer means more officers.
 
I am not going to explain the P-89M story to you (Long story), but it is an All blue P-93 with DAO with Hogue grips. Yes I said Chicago PD. Maybe you should do your research –would like pictures??
 
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