Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

My Buckmark goes Kaboom!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Dudemeister, Dec 31, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. hentown

    hentown Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2012
    Messages:
    1,742
    Hardehardeharharhar! That's rich! Glock doesn't make peashooters; however, I'm pretty sure that they hold together pretty well, during a REAL KB. ;)
     
  2. Mr.Revolverguy

    Mr.Revolverguy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2007
    Messages:
    1,253
    Possible dirty chamber?

    An over 30 year highmaster just told me he had this happened to him on a 22 ar15 due to dirty chamber. The round was so tight in the chamber due to carbon build up that when the bolt went to slam home after firing a round that it fired out of battery.
     
  3. Magoo

    Magoo Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2009
    Messages:
    712
    Location:
    TN
    Except he's got the entire casing (minus the rim). And it was recoverd from fully seated in the barrel. That doesn't sound like an out of battery ingition. Look at the pic again.

    Stinks about your pistol :( - glad you're alright :). I hope Blazer makes things right for you.
     
  4. Dudemeister

    Dudemeister Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    476
    Location:
    San Francisco
    More pics added

    I went ahead and disassembled the pistol. While at it, I took a whole bunch pictures, and posted some of the better ones with comments to my personal PhotoStation album.

    Here is the link:
    http://digistealth.com/photostation/album.php?foldername=/Kaboom

    Please be patient while the album loads. I'm hosting my own server and my DSL connection really sucks (only 320kbps up).

    Let me know if there are any problems seeing the pictures.
     
  5. wally

    wally Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,560
    Location:
    Houston, Tx
    From what I see and what he says about no ring or bulge in the barrel, I'd replace the parts and not worry about it. Although definitely worth trying to shame CCI into paying for repairs!

    The aluminum top rail doesn't take a lot of force to bend, although I bet it held up a lot better than the plastic ones Browning has been using on the Camper models would have. The extractor seems to have blown off with the rim.

    I quit buying Remington Golden bullet after getting way too many blown rims, although they only let loose over about 1/3 to 1/4 the circumference and caused no damage to my Ruger MK II or S&W M22A, but none of the blowouts ever aligned with the extractor. If they did I'd expect to need a new extractor.
     
  6. GLOOB

    GLOOB Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2007
    Messages:
    5,941
    I've had some bad lots of 22LR that bulged at the base in my autoloaders. I'm going to guess ammo problem.
     
  7. Dudemeister

    Dudemeister Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    476
    Location:
    San Francisco
    What do you mean by that?
     
  8. 3twelves

    3twelves member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2012
    Messages:
    215
    I had a extractor and the other parts fly out of mine from wear. That probably somehow caused it to fire out of battery.
     
  9. rondog

    rondog Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    6,801
    Location:
    Commurado
    See that slot on the right side of the slide? That's where the case extractor should be. T'ain't there.
     
  10. Mr.Revolverguy

    Mr.Revolverguy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2007
    Messages:
    1,253
    Do you have a normally fired 22lr empty case? It would be neat to see the problem case next to a normal case. Looking at the pictures again it looks like that case is extremely large, which may indicate a over loaded cartridge.
     
  11. Dudemeister

    Dudemeister Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    476
    Location:
    San Francisco
    I don't have a fired case, but here is an unfired round from the same lot. Looks the same to me.

    [​IMG]

    @RONDOG. I know I'm missing the extractor, the spring and the plunger. But that was not what I was questioning.

    Wally had said "The extractor seems to have blown off with the rim." I didn't understand what he meant by the rim, but I got it now, he meant when the case rim blew off, it took the extractor with it.

    Here is a picture of the same area of the gun, taken 3 months ago.

    [​IMG]
     
  12. wally

    wally Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,560
    Location:
    Houston, Tx
    A fairly common cause of over pressure KaBooms! with normally loaded ammo is bullet setback -- particularly in .40S&W, but with .22lr the part of the bullet that is seated in the case is "rebated" or smaller in diameter that what is in front of the case making bullet setback nearly impossible.

    Either CCI messed up with too much powder or too much priming compound (my bet because of the clean removal of the entire rim), or it was just a one in a gazillion defective case catastrophic failure.

    If this is "fresh" production ammo, I wouldn't be surprised by a recall on this lot and its associated production runs.

    Based on the photos of what remains of the case I'd bet a lot of money that it was fully into battery when fired.
     
  13. ChooChoo

    ChooChoo Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    29
    Location:
    Red State
    You should visit this site to see some pictures of some pretty catastrophic Glock kaBOOMS. You'll see model 19s, 21s, 30s, 36s, etc.

    A starting place: http://thegunzone.com/glock/greatest_hits.html

    The link is in the “Glock Talk” section of the “Gun Zone”. Glock Talk has numerous kaBOOMS caused by numerous reasons (factory ammo, reloads, setbacks, etc.) to keep you busy for a while..
     
  14. exavid

    exavid Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2010
    Messages:
    645
    Location:
    Medford, Oregon
    At my gun club we have a weekly Bullseye practice and most of us are using Buckmarks. One of the members had a similar though not quite so dramatic event with his Buckmark. The extractor and it's spring blew off the pistol when a cartridge head ruptured. He replaced the parts and continued using the pistol which by now at 100 rounds a week and a little over a year means 5000 more rounds has passed through the gun with no problem. I doubt there's enough power in a .22LR even with a bullet stuck in the barrel and another being fired into it to due much to the thick barrel of a Buckmark .22. I'd suspect there might have been a crack in the head of the .22 shell due to poor annealing before the case was formed or some such manufacturing error. If the barrel looks good, you can cycle .22 rounds manually through the gun and there's no slop in when you stick a .22 round in the chamber and try to wiggle it I wouldn't worry about it.
    Glock kabooms are usually a function of a pentagonal barrel and using lead bullets. That type barrel tends to lead up. If you fire a bunch of lead bullets through it and then fire a jacketed bullet the chamber pressure can rise quite high due to lead fouling and a jacketed bullet being hard to push out of the barrel. Also some earlier Glocks had a pretty big cut out area just above the loading ramp that left part of the cartridge base unsupported. Lead and an unsupported cartridge base ain't good for holding things together.
     
  15. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2006
    Messages:
    47,569
    Location:
    Alabama
    Here is a case that fired out of battery. Story here. Yours looks more like over pressure.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Big20

    Big20 Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    118
    Location:
    Sherrodsville, Ohio
    I have a well maintained Nomad that has, on several occasions, fired with about one eighth inch of case not seated into the chamber. I believe the Buckmark & Nomad are essentially the same mechanism so I guess it's an ongoing problem. I usually "only" get pinged with blowback and no gun damage.
     
  17. snakeman

    snakeman Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,079
    Location:
    texas
    crazy! but at least it held up well
     
  18. Jim K

    Jim K Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    17,706
    That is a case failure, probably the result of brittle brass being worked as the case head and rim were shaped. The head broke off before the case even had a chance to move back or to push the slide back. The escaping gas went up and only the wide open top kept the magazine from being blown out or the lips spread.

    The pressure of a .22 LR is nothng to ignore; the SAAMI spec is 24,000 psi, more than many CF calibers.

    (The above is in reference to the OP's report, not the case pictured in #40.)

    Jim
     
  19. exavid

    exavid Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2010
    Messages:
    645
    Location:
    Medford, Oregon
    The saving grace with a .22 even though the pressure is pretty high is that there's proportionally a lot more metal around a .22 cartridge in most guns than there is in most centerfires pistols.
     
  20. Dudemeister

    Dudemeister Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    476
    Location:
    San Francisco
    Well, this past week everything came to a head.

    2 weeks ago, I had sent all the remaining bullets from that batch (2 1/2 bricks), back to CCI at their request. A couple of days after receiving it, I received a call telling me they test fired about 250 rounds, and none of them had any issues. However they did agree the incident was due to a case failure, so they asked me what it cost me to get the gun back in working condition.

    The cost of the parts was about $110, primarily due to the cost of the TacSol rail which I ordered, but is currently back-ordered.

    Last Wednesday I received a box from CCI containing 8 bricks of Blazer ammo. Since 2 1/2 of these bricks are a replacement for the ones I sent in, the other 5 1/2 are the compensation for my repair costs. While it doesn't exactly make up for my expenses, it's still better than nothing.

    Yesterday I also received the replacement parts from Browning. I installed all the new parts in the gun, and re-installed the original base so I can use the gun until the TacSol rail get here.

    So this is it, my first kaboom experience comes to a close. I haven't yet fired the gun, but I don't foresee any problems. Nevertheless, I plan to take it to the range next week. I'll report here if any problems arise.
     
  21. Skylerbone

    Skylerbone Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2010
    Messages:
    3,383
    Can you fathom how much you could make off those 8 bricks at a gun show right now? I literally just walked out of Gander Mountain where the total amount of .22lr was 150 rounds of bird shot. Been that way going on 3 weeks.
     
  22. sota

    sota Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2012
    Messages:
    447
    $110 estimated repair costs
    5.5 bricks as compensation
    valuation by CCI of $20/brick

    how much does a brick go for today? :D
    (not a .22LR firearm owner yet so honestly I don't know.)
     
  23. Apple a Day

    Apple a Day Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    2,055
    Location:
    Virginia
  24. sigma 40ve

    sigma 40ve Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    426
    Location:
    sw ohio
    After 10's of thousands of 22 fired I have had 2 issues.

    First was back in the mid 1980's. Using Remington Vipers in an older Remington 552. Had one fire out of battery. Nice little 22 caliber bottleneck case. Blew powder all over my face. I shoot left handed. Remington wanted old ammo back and I got shipped a new brick of same as replacement.


    Second was with Remington bulk pack about 2 months ago. Misfires, jams bullets at an angle. I was using my Ruger MkII 10 inch stainless. One round fired out of battery. It was just a faint pop noise. I ejected the mag and smoke came out of my mag well and pistol for about 10 seconds. Barrel wasn't obstructed. Wife was standing right behind me and witnessed the whole thing. Who knows what happened. I contacted Remington with the info and never got a response. Guess they don't care about quality or customers anymore.
     
  25. Bayou Redd

    Bayou Redd Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    40
    Location:
    Gulf Coast
    Hey If You...

    Hey If You fired 15,000+ rounds in that Buckmark, I think she has proven herself to be worth a Browning once over. An intergrity check from the manufacturer is the only way that you will be totaly comfortable with her after that and 15k rounds makes her a worthwhile keeper. Don't cheat yourself out of a Browning Inspection, It'll be worth it.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page