Glocks

[Joe_556]

The reason why Glock is so popular with LE is that it's cheap($$$) and reliable.

Like the stamped grease gun in WWII.

Economics.

 

[jackpinesavages]

Check the IPSC/USPSA competitors. They're still shootin em.

Yeah, there's just a ton of poly pistols out now that are awesome.

 

[ku4hx]

Sooner or later the "new" wears off a birthday bicycle, but you keep riding it. And people keep buying them.

 

[Skribs]

The only reason I'm considering a Glock is because there are a few calibers available, through base model or conversion kits, that aren't really available for anything else in its class. For the other calibers, I'd rather have an XDm or M&P, depending on what I need it for.

 

[jfrey]

Glocks are all right, I'vegot a couple of them but I am really looking at an M&P and doing a serious trade. Glock is the only pistol I have ever seen that you had to "relearn" shooting skills to shoot it accurately. I can pick up any 1911 or Hi-Power and go to town with it immediately. I had to spend $150.00 on a $500.00 Glock so I can shoot it accurately.

 

[ForumSurfer]

Not too long ago all one heard was how great Glocks were, but not things seem to have gone quiet.

Glock has been seeing record sales these last few years.

Guess we're all out shooting them instead of posting about them.

Seriously, I don't know. I mean how many times can you argue the same glock vs m&p vs whatever stuff. It gets old and no one wins. It all boils down to preference.

I've had an m&p pro 5", a standard m&p (better trigger than the "pro" junk from smith IMHO), an xdm and an xd. Honestly, by just picking it up...the glock had the worst ergonomic feel. But each time, I ran the glock better. Granted, I only kept the non-glocks for about 500-1000 rounds each, but enough to get a good feel for them. It sucks, because I used to be a glock basher. The shot timer reminds me what I actually perform better with. I do have to admit, the m&p "felt" better until it came time to run it. Once I'm running it, there's just something about that ugly hunk of block-like glock that works very well for me.

They must be selling like hot-cakes. I searched all over the state for nearly 3 1/2 weeks trying to find a gen4 34. During that process I managed to find only a handful of gen3's. I know there's only 2mm difference in the backstrap, but the gen4's feel "right" for me.

 

[Zerodefect]

Glock can't figure out how to put a drop safety inside thier gun, and not on their triggers. After all these years. It ain't rocket science.

So they're stuck with a crunchy rubbish trigger that bites your finger during recoil. I think the Glocks are starting to fade. There are other options out there. Unless they make REAL improvements, their competitiors are going to catch up and pass them.

I love my G23 for what it is. The pistol version of an AK47 with a trigger worse, far worse, than a Laramie cap gun.

 

[Skribs]

I mean how many times can you argue the same glock vs m&p vs whatever stuff. It gets old and no one wins.

Exactly the point of some others here. It used to be you argue Glock vs...uh...? It was the only plastic gun out there. Now, you argue Glock vs. XD vs. M&P vs. SR, and they all have fanbois.

 

[ForumSurfer]

I have no complaints about the glock trigger. I've owned all the major competitors and I still prefer the glock trigger...except MAYBE an m&p with the apex competition trigger. But it's so light that it can't be used defensively anymore.

Of course none of them will ever match the feel og a 1911 trigger

 

[crestoncowboy]

I wouldn't say they can do anything the Glock can do, I have yet to find a m&p our an xd chambered in 10mm.

 

[Fishbed77]

Is is it my imagination or is Glock firearms sort of fading out of favor. Not too long ago all one heard was how great Glocks were, but not things seem to have gone quiet. Just wondering. Thanks.

Glock just hasn't innovated in over 20 years. It also hasn't helped that the price has jumped so much in the past few years. What was once a raging bargain is now over-priced for what it is.

Nowadays there are any number of polymer, striker-fired pistols that are just as good for less money (S&W M&P, Ruger SR9), or markedly better for about the same money (Walther P99 & PPQ).

 

[FMF Doc]

I think glocks are great weapons for specific purposes. A G22 is a great LEO duty pistol and the G27 a great backup to the G22. But as a "civilian" I don't really need all that fire power to run to WallyWorld and grab some milk. I'll take my Ruger LC9 most days. The uptick in CCW laws has more poeple carrying than before. Glock sales have stayed strong, but they didn't get a whole lot more of the new market share. Many others, like Ruger (LCP, LC9, SR9c) Walther (PPS) Kahr (any of then really) are making guns tailored to CCW. If I was a uniformed LEO, I sure as hell would be carrying something much more substantial than a LCP, but for the average Joe, something is better than nothing, and that something is less often a glock.

All that being said, I still prefer a larger firearm if I can carry one. I frequently carry a G19 or similiar sized gun. But it push comes to shove, and it is shorts and t-shirt weather, I'll go out with my LC9 in my waist before I go with my G19 in the glove box.

 

[armarsh]

Glock can't figure out how to put a drop safety inside thier gun, and not on their triggers. After all these years. It ain't rocket science.

So they're stuck with a crunchy rubbish trigger that bites your finger during recoil. I think the Glocks are starting to fade. There are other options out there. Unless they make REAL improvements, their competitiors are going to catch up and pass them.

I love my G23 for what it is. The pistol version of an AK47 with a trigger worse, far worse, than a Laramie cap gun.

100% incorrect. The Glock drop safety is in the slide.

And Glocks DAO trigger is very good, surpassed by few.

Trigger bite on a glock? Ok, whatever you say. You might be the first person to ever claim that. You realize it only means you don't know how to run a trigger with a short reset?

 

[Ash]

Glock never innovated. Nothing about the Glock pistol was original to the Glock, every feature having been introduced by other companies, from Hk, to Browning/FN, to Colt, to SIG.

That's okay, because my favorite platform, the CZ-75, has nothing original, either. For the CZ it was all the right features coming together in a frame that fits my hands perfectly - and it was a design long loved by the Swiss, Italians, and Israelis - the latter knowing what a combat pistol needs to be able to do.

Nothing about Glocks were original or innovative - but they combined all those features into one pistol that was cheap, relatively safe to handle, reliable, and durable. Had the design come out, say, ten years earlier, it would have probably fallen away with the VP-70, the first polymer pistol. Perhaps not. Either way, it is popular now.

 

[kmbrman]

My answer is that just about anyone, with any mechanical skill , can add upgrades like sights, connectors , different triggers , springs and such with ease. Many other brands have little or no such extras out there to pick from. Also you can find a Glock Armorer just about anywhere to fix what breaks. Try this with some other brands !

 

[beeenbag]

I used to be all about glock. I still think they are great pistols, but both of my glocks got turned into M&Ps. There were two factors that played into this decision.

1. Glock is made in Austria and I felt bad evertime I would look at that on the slide.

2. Lead factor, I came up with a round that didn't lead in the glock barrel and was so so at close range, but after about 7 yards, the bullets hooked like a randy johnson curve ball.

After I switched I am tickled to death with my smittys. Still like a glock, they are just not for me. I like shooting lead because i can afford to pull the trigger alot more times with it.

 

[David Sinko]

Glock is the only semiauto service grade pistol I'll ever buy, even if it's made on the moon. It can't be beaten for reliability or ease of maintenance, at least as far as the older models are concerned.

But it's clear that the company is very dysfunctional and plagued by scandal. Sex, murder for hire, theft of millions of dollars... Or is that normal for every successful company out there? I'd think that sooner or later it's gonna reflect on the bottom line.

All you people who believed that Glock's competitve shooters were leaving for S&W because S&W had a better product... How silly was that?

Dave Sinko

 

[rustedangel]

Seriously, I don't know. I mean how many times can you argue the same glock vs m&p vs whatever stuff. It gets old and no one wins. It all boils down to preference.

This. I bought a Glock 19 for my first pistol. On the advice of several friends more familiar with guns than I, when I was trying to make my selection I held many models of semiauto pistol in a gun store, picked the 5 I liked best, and had a rental day at the range. At the end of the day I felt that I shot best and felt most comfortable with the Glock. The Sig P229 was a close second, and it was also like $400 more and 2 rounds less capacity. I thought about it a bunch and went back a second day to shoot just those two guns, which solidified my decision.

I don't have much emotional attachment to my Glock. I enjoy shooting it and feel comfortable with it, but if another company put out a new model that I felt I shot better with or had some other reason to justify the purchase, I might buy that. I don't think there is a best here - to me fit and feel is the biggest element.

 

[Tinker]

But it's clear that the company is very dysfunctional and plagued by scandal. Sex, murder for hire, theft of millions of dollars... Or is that normal for every successful company out there? I'd think that sooner or later it's gonna reflect on the bottom line.

As to the "dsyfunctional" part.....I hear they are having banner sales. Also that it is the most poplular service caliber pistol sold in the US. That sounds like a great "bottom line".

"murder for hire"....I believe Mr Glock was on the receiving end of that. From what I read he beat the crap out of the guy who tried to whack him. That is an hombre.

Mr. Glock.....I am willing to be adopted by you.

 

[el Godfather]

I think it may be your imagination. Actually, to me Glocks are great first guns, and they remain in your collection as go to guns. People generally move on to more expensive guns once they expand their collection. This may give some impression that they are fading, but not so.

 

[theQman23]

When the local bass pro where I live gets Glocks in, they generally get in about six or eight at a time, and they last about 2 or 3 days and are then gone. When they get xd's and m&ps they get eight or ten at a time, and then don't order anymore for a couple of weeks.
The glocks are moving way faster, at least in this specific location, in this specific area.
just my .02 cents

 

[thefamcnaj]

I don't think they are falling out of favor(they just don't dominate the market anymore), atleast not in my neck of the woods. My lgs can not keep them in stock for nothing. My local Academy Sports is out of glocks for the first time I can remember. All they have is that 800 dollar 25th ann. glock 17.
Glock does have some decent competition now. The SA xd is a fine pistol that seems as durable as a glock and I believe only time will tell that they stack up well against the glock. Same thing with the m&p.
Really even the sr series pistols from ruger are making a strong case in the poly world. In my experience with the sr pistols, they are flops out of the box. Once you send them back to Ruger the come back as reliable fire arms. They are also sold at the best price point as far a polymer striker fires go. I think my lgs sales them for 440 +tax.
As I'm typing this I thought of the px4 polymer series, another fine series of pistols.
I guess its like years back when the flat screen tv's were the rage. The plasma flat screen was the thing to have. Now you have lcd, led, and 3d, and probly by Christmas some newer tv will be out. One product can't dominate its given market forever.

 

[GLOOB]

The thing about Glock, they don't respond quickly to the American consumer. Despite all the crying about needing a manual safety option and a more comfortable grip angle, Glock didn't care. Why? Cuz they know most of us have no clue what we really want. Smith offered a manual safety for awhile, then they dropped it. They offer a more ergonomic grip. But as some of us have noticed, it doesn't shoot any better. As Forum Surfer stated:

I've had an m&p pro 5", a standard m&p (better trigger than the "pro" junk from smith IMHO), an xdm and an xd. Honestly, by just picking it up...the glock had the worst ergonomic feel. But each time, I ran the glock better. Granted, I only kept the non-glocks for about 500-1000 rounds each, but enough to get a good feel for them. It sucks, because I used to be a glock basher. The shot timer reminds me what I actually perform better with. I do have to admit, the m&p "felt" better until it came time to run it. Once I'm running it, there's just something about that ugly hunk of block-like glock that works very well for me.

Honestly, the grip shape and the trigger reset are the two greatest things I love about my Glocks. I can't stand "ergonomic" grips with the little cutout at the web area. I don't care how it feels while holding it. I want the gun to be braced for recoil.

Glock knows that we'll always cry about this or that, but in the end we'll keep buying the same old, boring, non-innovative plastic gun that just works. If you want the latest fad, you can go to the aftermarket guys or to the other competition.

 

[Prorock]

I still love me some Glocks but I really love my Sig Sauer SP2022 and it was $150 less than a G19 gen4.

Yup

 

[Inebriated]

I guess its like years back when the flat screen tv's were the rage. The plasma flat screen was the thing to have. Now you have lcd, led, and 3d, and probly by Christmas some newer tv will be out. One product can't dominate its given market forever.

Well not really... Plasma sucks, and LCD is very clearly a lesser quality than LED.

M&P's, Px4's, and XD's aren't better than a Glock. None are better. They're just options for the user. Glocks may not completely dominate the market, but they aren't suffering by any means.