Friday we had an interesting happening at my work. I got a call from one of the business next to where we work about seeing someone with a handgun walking down the street. It turned out to be a bb gun so not as important as it could have been. But anyway I saw some police in my drive so I went out to tell them that it was the next business that that called. As I came up to them I let the office know that I was a permit holder and I did have a gun on my right hip. He said thanks for telling him and then asked how to get to the place that called. I gave him directions and that was it. It was so nice to see them so good about it. We have great people in this world.
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renegade1alpha
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It also depends on the state you live in. Had that been California, permit holder or not, you would have been proned out on the ground and most likely cuffed until they could verify what you said.
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What state? What was this person doing with the firearm?
Are you required by law in your state to notify LEO?
If not, what compelled you to do so? (Not questioning that your did it, just curious as to why?)
Are you required by law in your state to notify LEO?
If not, what compelled you to do so? (Not questioning that your did it, just curious as to why?)
Hunterdad
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I'm sure he told him to avoid a conflict. If the officer ended up catching a glimpse of his handgun, can you guess who would have been their number 1 suspect?
brboyer
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Objection, assuming facts not in evidence.
Since we do not know what state this happened in, perhaps open carry is lawful?
This happened in Kansas. It was just a kid that was out having some fun that really did not think about what he was doing. We were near an airport so I think that is why they got scared. The police were in my parking lot instead of a street. He saw me coming out of the building with my telephone to my ear. After he saw me and came toward me the last I wanted was a surprise to him. Then it would have been a problem. I told him what I had and asked him what he wanted me to do. He just thanked me. The poor kid was in the back seat of the police car already. I felt a little sorry for him. Most of the police that I have talked to believe that my gun helps stops crime and that I might someday be a backup for him. open carry is not legal in most of kansas.
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Really does depend on the state/area you are in. What the overall mood in your area toward guns, is most likely how the average cop feels about them. After all they probably grew up in the area. I am a cop in Az and I hear all these stories on here about bad encounters with PD and carrying.
If I harrased, searched, investigated or whatever every person I saw in a workday that had a gun I wouldnt get any work done. Hell I probably wouldnt make it to the gas station to fill up my car!
But, guns are fairly common place her in Az.
But that being said, I do appreciate it when people inform me that they are armed. I dont know them and people randomly shooting at police officers does happen.
If I harrased, searched, investigated or whatever every person I saw in a workday that had a gun I wouldnt get any work done. Hell I probably wouldnt make it to the gas station to fill up my car!
But, guns are fairly common place her in Az.
But that being said, I do appreciate it when people inform me that they are armed. I dont know them and people randomly shooting at police officers does happen.
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Nonsense! I have been a California CCW license holder for many years and have never been proned out. I have never had a peace officer ask about my sidearm at all. Mostly they just shrug their shoulders and ignore it. I went aboard MCRD Friday and informed the Marine MP at the gate I was carrying a sidearm. He looked at me, then at the DoD sticker in my windshield and asked if it was in a level 2 retention holster. When I said "yes" he said, "Good enough, have a nice day, Sir." That is the MOST that has ever happened in California to this CCW holder.
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I do wonder from time to time what the fascination with cops is on gun forums.
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As a former CA resident, you sir are one LUCKY individual i guess...
Or you are a LEO, DOJ, Courts perhaps? Judge? You talk as if getting a CCW in CA is no big deal and common practice... It is for most of the state... not an easy task.
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Roccobro
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I agree with the ^^^ above post.
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Kingofthehill said
No longer a LEO. DOJ? Well, sort of. Courts/Judge: Nope. But I have NEVER seen a California CCW holder proned out. Nor have I ever heard of such happening except the "my friend's cousin's brother-in-law's former girl friend's new boy friend told the guy who works at the car wash who told the gas station attendent who told the mail man that he saw somebody proned out who had a California CCW." Sorry, but I need more than that before I bash California.
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Im not bashing CA... I was born and raised there... spent 27 years there and shot competitively for 9 years. CA gun laws aren't HORRIBLE, their just not great either. I wish CCW was more available. Sounds like Fresno got a nice sheriff who has no problem issuing permits, while where i lived in Santa Clarita... there was just no chance in hell I would be approved for a CCW and I live a life that is straighter then an arrow.
Stuff like 10rd mag limits, Safe handgun list, CA compliant AR's.... although annoying, it wasn't as bad as some make it out to be. I live in TX now and its awesome!... Moved here last September and although its "TEXAS".... it would be nice gun laws here were better like in Arizona or Virgina
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Okay, I can go along with that. California has some really stupid, and ineffective, gun laws. And 12050 is a mess, leaving too much discretion in the hands of the local CLEO thus creating a disparity of issuance from county to county. But California is not as bad as many of the bashers like to assume, and it is getting better. After this summer we will probably see some significant changes, for the better, I hope.
In the mean time, I carry every day, and I am in San Diego County, one the bashers like to put on the "WORST" list.
In the mean time, I carry every day, and I am in San Diego County, one the bashers like to put on the "WORST" list.
I've encountered LE many times while OCing and they act as if I'm not carrying. None have asked to see my permit. Now if a LEO stops me, I tell them that I'm carrying, where it is and that I have a permit. I rearranged my wallet so that when I open it up to get my DL, my permit is in full view. Just in case I forget to tell them. But, I've only been stopped one time since the 1970's and that was for a license plate light bulb being out!
If you live in GA, join and donate to the Georgia Sherriffs Association. Not only is it a good cause but if you put the bumper sticker on your vehicle, it is likely you won't be pulled over if they were planning to. This from a training deputy with 20+ years on the job.
If you live in GA, join and donate to the Georgia Sherriffs Association. Not only is it a good cause but if you put the bumper sticker on your vehicle, it is likely you won't be pulled over if they were planning to. This from a training deputy with 20+ years on the job.
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Seriously?
Roccobro
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If I'm need, you bet I'd love a citizens help.
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Cool.
TT
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Some people just really really need to pretend that California isn’t an anti-gun state.
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Back to the OP incident in Kansas; I'm interested if it was near one of the larger cities (KC, Topeka, or Wichita)? Or that liberal state within the state; Lawrence? Might make some small sense there but I'd be hard-pressed to believe (or disappointed) that anywhere else in Kansas you'd get a call about a kid carrying a gun unless they were otherwise acting suspiciously (wearing a mask, being overly furtive, etc).
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Lawrence: You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villianry.
But go Jayhawks!
But go Jayhawks!
TT said
Wow! That is certainly an example of critical reasoning and reading comprehension! We somehow interpreted "I have been a California CCW license holder for many years and have never been proned out" to mean "Some people just really really need to pretend that California isn’t an anti-gun state." Amazing! Simply amazing!
Wow! That is certainly an example of critical reasoning and reading comprehension! We somehow interpreted "I have been a California CCW license holder for many years and have never been proned out" to mean "Some people just really really need to pretend that California isn’t an anti-gun state." Amazing! Simply amazing!
So, apparently we have arrived to a point in history where a citizen, not committing any crime, is not only pleasantly surprised but also thankful that he was not harassed, man-handled or threatened with lethal weapons during the course of innocuous cooperation with local police.
You do realize how poorly that speaks of the current [police] state of affairs, right?
You do realize how poorly that speaks of the current [police] state of affairs, right?
There seems to be a serious misunderstanding here. The assertion was made that, if you were a California CCW holder, you could expect to be proned out by LE simply for carrying legally. My response was that such an assertion was nonsense. I am still waiting for a first hand account of a California CCW holder being proned out while legally carrying and not comitting any breach of the peace.
I am not "pleasently surprised" nor "thankful that (I)was not harassed, man-handled or threatened with lethal weapons." I am calling FUD on the assertion that I, as a California CCW holder should expect to be proned out in the event of LE contact.
I am not "pleasently surprised" nor "thankful that (I)was not harassed, man-handled or threatened with lethal weapons." I am calling FUD on the assertion that I, as a California CCW holder should expect to be proned out in the event of LE contact.
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