Gun dealer limiting me to 1-gun a week
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dobrzemetal
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Hope you enjoy that .22 
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swagner89
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here in baltimore we can only buy one gun a month, plus 7 day waiting period plus delay because the gun shop was too lazy to fax your application form to the state. and they charge $50-$70 dollars to do it.
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Badger Arms
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Baltimore, eh? Making metal note now. Don't move to Baltimore.
denfoote
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Fourth option.
Figure up how much business, roughly, you have given this goof, add it all up, go in, with receipts if possible, show this goblin the proof, then tell him that will not be coming his way any more and tell him why!!
Figure up how much business, roughly, you have given this goof, add it all up, go in, with receipts if possible, show this goblin the proof, then tell him that will not be coming his way any more and tell him why!!
GBExpat
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The rule in Virginia is one per month ... unless you are licensed to carry concealed (and possibly other reasons).
I remember one day several years ago walking out of my 01FFL Buddy's house with a sack'o'pistols (lessee, 2 Maks, 2 Star BMs, 1 TT-33?, 1 1911 Clone?). I cannot recall what paperwork I had to complete, but I doubt that 5-6 repeats were required as I don't remember my writing hand aching as I walked to the car.
I remember one day several years ago walking out of my 01FFL Buddy's house with a sack'o'pistols (lessee, 2 Maks, 2 Star BMs, 1 TT-33?, 1 1911 Clone?). I cannot recall what paperwork I had to complete, but I doubt that 5-6 repeats were required as I don't remember my writing hand aching as I walked to the car.
runrabbitrun
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I'm no gun dealer, but maybe there is a little
personal issue with some of these FFL folks?
Maybe they are thinking:
What? You didn't come to me and let me order that gun for you?
I don't know, I'm in a business where sometimes,
people ask us to do things,
or ask for recommendations to get a product similar to ours elsewhere.
We don't recommend our competitors and some times I take it
as an insult for someone to ask.
(only in my mind, I'd never tell a customer I felt that way)...
I'm not sure if I was a gun dealer I want to do the paperwork
from sales of weapons purchased off the internet,
(from my competitors)
IF I was not making much money on it,
or somehow felt personally insulted the customer didn't order direct from me.
If the dealer is real busy right now...
(and obviously many are at the moment)
It could just be this one in particular now has a new found 'attitude',
due to the increase of sales, so they don't feel the 'need' to be more customer friendly at the moment.
On the other hand in this economical crunch,
I think I'd be happy to make
20-30 bucks just to process a piece of paper or three.
I would think of it a 'customer service' and
hope the customer would at least purchase
some other items from me and by providing that
'extra service'.
I would tend to 'think' it would garner me more biz
on impulse buys from my shop.
personal issue with some of these FFL folks?
Maybe they are thinking:
What? You didn't come to me and let me order that gun for you?
I don't know, I'm in a business where sometimes,
people ask us to do things,
or ask for recommendations to get a product similar to ours elsewhere.
We don't recommend our competitors and some times I take it
as an insult for someone to ask.
(only in my mind, I'd never tell a customer I felt that way)...
I'm not sure if I was a gun dealer I want to do the paperwork
from sales of weapons purchased off the internet,
(from my competitors)
IF I was not making much money on it,
or somehow felt personally insulted the customer didn't order direct from me.
If the dealer is real busy right now...
(and obviously many are at the moment)
It could just be this one in particular now has a new found 'attitude',
due to the increase of sales, so they don't feel the 'need' to be more customer friendly at the moment.
On the other hand in this economical crunch,
I think I'd be happy to make
20-30 bucks just to process a piece of paper or three.
I would think of it a 'customer service' and
hope the customer would at least purchase
some other items from me and by providing that
'extra service'.
I would tend to 'think' it would garner me more biz
on impulse buys from my shop.
fireman 9731
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would it be that hard to go ahead a buy one of them, and put the other on layaway?
You might have to wait a week to pick it up, but you dont have to worry about somebody else buying it...
You might have to wait a week to pick it up, but you dont have to worry about somebody else buying it...
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Badger Arms
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No, it wouldn't be that hard, but I have the cash, they have the firearm I paid for already, and I want both firearms now. It's a legal transaction. That's the part that gets under my skin.
As a former dealer, I can say that filling out a piece of paperwork is not the limit of the duties the dealer has to go through. First, they have to field the phone call and deal with the person wanting the gun. Then they have to fax or mail their FFL to the sending dealer. They may or may not have to speak to the other dealer. Then they generally field two or three "Is it there yet?" calls from the buyer. Finally, when it comes in, they have to accept it and sign for it, unpackage it, log it in, call you and leave a message, field a call when you ask what their hours are, help you when you get there, call in NICS, fill out the paperwork, call the dealer that sent you the gun to tell them the serial # was wrong on the gun, then stand and listen to you BS about how your grandpappy knew Carbine Williams and thought he was a jerk. Really, it's more time and work than just filling out a piece of paper.
Then again, I now have to make a return trip and fill out ANOTHER 4473. I'd have thought that the time saved in paperwork and not having me in the shop again would be enough to make up for the 15-20 minutes needed to complete and main the multiple sales forms.
As a former dealer, I can say that filling out a piece of paperwork is not the limit of the duties the dealer has to go through. First, they have to field the phone call and deal with the person wanting the gun. Then they have to fax or mail their FFL to the sending dealer. They may or may not have to speak to the other dealer. Then they generally field two or three "Is it there yet?" calls from the buyer. Finally, when it comes in, they have to accept it and sign for it, unpackage it, log it in, call you and leave a message, field a call when you ask what their hours are, help you when you get there, call in NICS, fill out the paperwork, call the dealer that sent you the gun to tell them the serial # was wrong on the gun, then stand and listen to you BS about how your grandpappy knew Carbine Williams and thought he was a jerk. Really, it's more time and work than just filling out a piece of paper.
Then again, I now have to make a return trip and fill out ANOTHER 4473. I'd have thought that the time saved in paperwork and not having me in the shop again would be enough to make up for the 15-20 minutes needed to complete and main the multiple sales forms.
KINGMAX
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Time to find a new gun dealer = +1 there !!!!!
plus one for: Time to find a new gun dealer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
plus one for: Time to find a new gun dealer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jerkface11
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At least you brought the right gun home. Looks like it's in very good condition. Mine's top break sportsman (long barrel with a vent rib)
runrabbitrun
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Badger, thanks for the breakdown.
As soon as you described it, it reminded me
of B&M sales in general with the whole
'government compliance' twist.
Yep... I'd say the xfer service alone is worth what ever
each dealer decided his/her time was worth as well.
With the above information, it dawned on me...if was me.
(my gun shop)
The service fee would be pretty steep.
As soon as you described it, it reminded me
of B&M sales in general with the whole
'government compliance' twist.
Yep... I'd say the xfer service alone is worth what ever
each dealer decided his/her time was worth as well.
With the above information, it dawned on me...if was me.
(my gun shop)
The service fee would be pretty steep.
DEAC25
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Badger,
I just left Guns Plus a while ago, burned through a box on their range. Their prices are very high, but they do carry a variety I can't see most places, and they are bout 20 minutes from my house.
If you don't mind me asking what pawn shop is that cheap?
Deac
I just left Guns Plus a while ago, burned through a box on their range. Their prices are very high, but they do carry a variety I can't see most places, and they are bout 20 minutes from my house.
If you don't mind me asking what pawn shop is that cheap?
Deac
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Badger Arms
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Well, since I'm talking smack about them, I'd rather not say. They're on Bragg Blvd, however that might not help you much!DEAC25 said:
If I were you, I'd shoot ANYWHERE but Guns Plus (plus 40% over retail) though. Try Jims Gun Jobbery, the range on Post if you have access, Moore County Wildlife and Conservation Club (near Ed's in Vass), or there's one just south of 95 as well... Crosse Creek.
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Norinco982lover
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Why not next time you order multiple firearms in a week have one sent to the cheap guy and one sent to the $25 guy. Then go pick up one and then the other. I pay $35 for my xfers so you are lucky!
~Norinco
I pay $35 for my xfers so you are lucky! ~Norinco
runrabbitrun
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$35.00 sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Especially when you consider what a dealer really
has to go through to accommodate a sale
you made from an internet competitor.
(SEE post 35)...
I've seen a few sweet weapons I'd like to purchase online,
but can't bring myself to ask the local guy
if he will handle the xfer for me.
In my mind it's like taking your BK burger into Waffle House to eat it...
and then asking for a glass of water to wash it down.
(FREE water of course)
OTOH.
The 'service' may garner you extra biz from
the customer who purchased the gun online.
(Impulse buys?)
Especially when you consider what a dealer really
has to go through to accommodate a sale
you made from an internet competitor.
(SEE post 35)...
I've seen a few sweet weapons I'd like to purchase online,
but can't bring myself to ask the local guy
if he will handle the xfer for me.
In my mind it's like taking your BK burger into Waffle House to eat it...
and then asking for a glass of water to wash it down.
(FREE water of course)
OTOH.
The 'service' may garner you extra biz from
the customer who purchased the gun online.
(Impulse buys?)
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runrabbitrun said:
Well that's kindof harsh. I could understand for brand new guns or guns that they stock. Problem being that I went in looking for a Kel-Tec PF9. I ask, do you have a PF-9? They say no, of course. I say, "Go ahead and order one then." They say, "Well, we haven't had any luck getting them in so, uh, no." Wouldn't have been so bad if Jims had also told me the same thing. I go online, buy it from a Texas dealer that had it, and have it shipped to their shop. I don't think I'm ordering anything from their competitor, I think I'm doing their work and finding the gun! Heck, somebody comes into my shop and says they want a PF-9, I'll quote them a price and then go on Gunbroker myself and order one. That's just the kind of guy I am.
As for the H&R, they didn't have one either and that's NOT a gun you can just order. "Yeah, I'd like a 95% H&R model 929 with fake Stag grips and a 4" barrel." That's not going to happen. Of course, I don't think I said that I went in and gave them the chance to order it BEFORE I went online. Heck, it wasn't a matter of price either. Hey, order me a Kel-Tec. No? Okay, I'll get one myself, will you do the transfer? Yes? Deal.
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